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  1. 21 minutes ago, Bat Guano said:

    I've been wondering about this alot. Maybe this is a bit far afield for this particular thread, but it's related.

    I'm not too well versed in what's going on in Europe with the rise of right-wing nationalism and, as a friend of mine in Holland bluntly puts it, fascism. I know Russia is behind some of it, but it's looking like a mass movement; my question is, are the Russians really the driving force, or is it something that arose organically and they're simply helping it along? It seems like it's partly both - the urban/rural economic divide, nervousness about immigration and foreigners, racism - those are trends that the Russians didn't create, although they have clearly had a hand in amplifying them. I guess my question is, are the Russians really that good? From what I've seen here, they aren't; I think the speculation that some former (current?) Surly/Shaggy posters were Russkies was legit, and frankly they weren't that good at anything except stirring the pot. Maybe that's all they wanted to do. The Facebook and Twitter stuff seems like the same strategy. I found it ham-handed and dumb, but at the same time it's hard to say it wasn't effective. I thought they got lucky with Trump, but the fact is they put him in office and have to all appearances been controlling him ever since. That's a huge accomplishment, and even if luck was a factor it still exists.

    After typing all this out I think I've answered my own question. Yeah, the Russian trolls are dumb and ham-handed, but at the same time the GRU guys that are directing them seem to be able to find the pressure points on fault lines in the countries they are targeting, and they've been at this for a long time and they're persistent. And of course the people they are targeting are dumb and gullible. So there is a good deal of credit/blame to assign to the Russkies for the rise of fascism we're seeing around the world. I just hate to see them win; it took a lot to put liberal democracies in all the places they exist, and if they go down they're probably never coming back.

    some of both.

    my two cents - Russia fell apart and had to rebuild itself in modern times. So their power structures are simply more resourceful than ours. They have to be, they couldn't lean on their old money, power and ways of thinking.

    they are simply the most successful in waging warfare over the intertrons. my opinion, but i stand by it and believe it. 

    We're still building faster jet planes and shit. And spending shitloads on em. 

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  2. 4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    This.

    Again, I've picked up the pieces/fought over the results of numerous organizational/institutional failures.  Guys like Trump - and the orbit that he creates - aren't unique.  They are relatively common, and the whole setup is very predictable.

    And yes, they always, EVENTUALLY, fall.  The problem is, the damage they do in the interim is often incalculable, and frequently unrecoverable.  The institution is irrevocably damaged.

    they are all bad people. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/opinion/trump-supporters-bill-white-bryan-eure.html

    the output of this corrupted systems is garbage. the people bringing you that garbage don't stand for anything but themselves. party affiliation be damned. they don't give a shit. and Trump runs an org that only runs on this, as noted. 

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  3. 25 minutes ago, seven said:

    Yeah, it's actually quite scary how much trump people and radicalized Muslims overlap ideologically 

    when thy both take hold of the average man's mind = war.

    Gavrilo Princhip didn't start the goddamn war, he just gave it a day and time. 

  4. 2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    Lol I negged hooker because for some reason he still showed up despite my ignore settings and now he's going on a neg spree because I hurt his fee-fees. What a soy boy

    i worry he/she may actually not be trolling but is rather some old fart full of hatred and unable to move forward with anything constructive or positive. forgot about the ignore function, thanks for the reminder

  5. 3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

    it was more like 45 seconds, but yes, your point is valid.

    this shit is not hard to find if you (not you, fantana, you generally) go look for it. 

    i remember many critics of obama's stance on immigration on shaggy. his deportation policy was draconian, and as a matter of fact, many posters on both the left and (then) right advocated for the GWB policy, which seemed to be the best approach. but bush was from texas, and he understood the challenges of immigration.

    also, our border patrol are a bunch of wannabe cowboys, and i think they use violence far too often when it is not necessary. plenty of stories out there about use of excessive force and even murder. they need to be seriously examined.

    except this is the type of behavior that republicans want out of their border patrol. because "rapists" and "animals" only understand violence, right?

    i was one of the libtards who liked W's plan and didn't like the Obama admin's policies

  6. 1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

    Yes, buy all means lets give a voice to .000000001% of the population and then try to claim it's the new norm.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaghh NAAAAAAAAZIS they're eeeeeeeeevrywhere.....

    What were your comments on this border issue when it was the Obama admin. doing the pepper spraying and tera gassing ??

    Cue the what aboutisms........ 

    you are the embodiment of inaction and deflection. terrible post. 

  7. 7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    Ronald Reagan was stupid.

    It would not make for a good debate.

    i don't know if stupid is the right word. but he was definitely the perfect R president. he was the guy that could get the white poors to believe in America and to believe they will eventually be rich. Reagan was that guy. The red collapse doesn't hurt either

    Of course if thats your strategy you end up with this - Trump. because, well, the voters are addicted to it. 

    anyone getting arrested soon? this fucking sucks. 

  8. 16 hours ago, horncyclist said:

    Holy shit. GOP conned into supporting the guy in favor of both protectionism AND command/control economy. 

    easiest holiday convo topic when with family trump supporters. they get all mushy and lose their words when they realize the liberal asshole is more of a capitalist than they are. dumb asses. 

    and also, actually knows WTF these terms and policies mean too. dumb asses

  9. I was with W in 200-something when he said "fuck it" they are here, give em papers and lets get smarter about the next waves. thought that was the most adult goddamn thing to do. of course it was shot down (like a Polish bi-lane lulz)

    Our country not being able to communicate IS THE PROBLEM. 500 desperate immigrants - not so much.

    Therefore - Trumps shitty rhetoric IS THE PROBLEM. because its mobilizing inaction @Smax and other posters commenting that we are blowing this out of proportion and we have the right to defend our borders. Of course we do. Open your eyes and brain. There is a very big problem at hand and it needs all of us to communicate. 

    end drug war, beef up border security, guest worker program. they should all be on the table. But as we know - the US government doesn't have a table to put shit on. We are completely dysfunctional 

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  10. 11 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

    Ironclads are the way to go....coal fired ironclads. 

    until some asshole researches Replaceable Parts and Refrigeration, builds subs and waxes your ass. 

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  11. the Fox news pinata 

    well Geraldo, that is what you are. glad you spoke up. 

    hope you can speak up more often around the misery that Fox news preaches on any number of issues it chooses, as it further divides this nation. 

  12. 3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

    Shut the hell up you ignorant troll.  Trying to make some bizarre connection to the atrocities of WWII and the Nazi regime to firing tear gas at people trying to break thru a border station is disgustingly insulting to the people who lived and died as a result of that horrendous period of time.  You obviously know jack fucking shit about it.  

    The people working those crossing are people who have families, and shooting canisters of an eye irritant in the vicinity of people rushing  a closed border crossing is a pretty low level act given what could have occurred if actual physical contact between armed guards and people attacking them had taken place

    nah man. its ok. it can be same same, and still different. 

    i tend to agree that you never go full nazi

    however the sentiment is of course spot on. trying speaking to that. thats the fucking point man. you are going full American here IMO. you can't connect the current current with the final outcomes others experienced at a different time. auschwitter is trying to help you get that. 

    here is a good song from a great album

     

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