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Posts posted by mantis toboggan
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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:
Wake me up on NSD1 when Hudson signs with SMU. If that happens, I pledge to take my shameful feelings out on this board by posting artful photos of my assed pressed firmly up against a mirror in homage to Hudson’s similarly bad decision making.
dammit. HH beat me
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Thanks. Could you also let me know what CB stands for?
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In all seriousness, this strategy - and I am talking about the option 2 scenario you wrote about as the new Sark approach to our football recruiting against the Sec and other bag games. Does this take time to work effectively? More patience needed? Seems like the current results are not indicative of a successful working “play the game” strategy that I am hoping we are truly going to attempt.
I see visits by Georgia commits and dewberry and Perkins showing up in Austin so I get encouraged then i see worrisome tea leaves rumors of guys we thought were silent locks on mid week trips to aggy (as an example)and get the feeling of all brakes no gas.
I assume a lot of UT fans are just not used to the wild swings that come from an era of essentially open pay for play.
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5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:
All I did was call everyone's manhood into question for handwringing about SMU. I don't know if the fucking guy actually winds up there or not, but who wants to live life worrying about an AAC team that is the only embarrassment in college sports history to have received a fucking death penalty? Mike Roach, apparently. I'd hope none of the rest of us.
That’s not all you did. You gave me hope
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16 minutes ago, Machinator said:
Roach on Hudson
As was first reported by Jason Suchomel at Orangebloods, Garland WR Jordan Hudson has an unofficial visit planned for Texas on Sunday. Today he’s starting an official trip to SMU according to a source near him. This source I spoke with said that SMU moved swiftly once Hudson decommitted and could close the deal on the visit. If he and his family like what they see from the Ponies, I don’t expect them to make it to Austin on Sunday. I went ahead and entered a Crystal Ball for SMU.
This won’t happen (or stick) as assured by @closetojumping
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Not sure about this. Will wait for bitterwhiteguy before I decide if this is a good thing.
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I recall @closetojumping mentioning in a previous post to watch out for a mid week visit to atm by evans.
not good. Hoping he may have more context on this now that it has happened
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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:
I didn't think this was that confusing.
Regarding #2, most schools can't do it because they either can't play or they're not a blue blood/near-blue blood program. It's not a portal dependent strategy when the program is stable. The portal generally will benefit these programs as they can always cherry-pick and it also makes it easier to dump out of talent on campus that has proven itself to not be above replacement value.
Regarding #3, the portal will be a major component for how these programs continue to roster build and/or they will pursue players that they can lock into without having to compete with Bama or Texas that can still get them to a top 5 level of performance nationally. OU is more the former, although they've taken the latter approach on defense the past few years and have been punished when they didn't, while ISU is the latter in exemplary fashion. Programs in this category will do a deal if they have to and don't feel like they're just going to be a hat thrown into the ring and they believe in the player, but bleh overall on it. Auctions don't favor them and usually don't fit the culture, either. If OU were going to be less portal dependent, they'd fit more into group #2, but the recent word and the existing data both point to Riley viewing the portal as worthy of a chunk of his yearly numbers to the tune of 5-8 guys a year.
People arguing that Texas looks more like #3, sure, that's right now and wasn't the intent of the post. The program is going to try to use most of its numbers on high school prospects and use its brand to grab 1-3 guys a year that move the program further up the ladder towards or within the elite. Up or Out, the bottom 10% will always need to be cleaning their lockers out.
I was going back and forth on this notion in some depth with a guy involved with it all and if you start trying to just bucket P5 teams into one of the four categories by conference, it becomes pretty easy.
For example, the Pac 12:
Washington - #3
Washington State - #3
Oregon - #1
Oregon State - #3
Stanford - #2 (we could argue they're #4, but Harbaugh and Shaw have both gotten some shit done when they needed to at Stanford)
Cal - #3
USC - #2
UCLA - #4
ASU - #2 (the only fuzzy one for me because you can argue they're not a "near-blue blood" but they're acting like it and butting heads with the powers across the country for players and starting to pick some of them up)
UA - #3/fucked up/unknown due to new staff
Utah - #3 (they might actually be the perfect example of #3)
CU - #3
Bear coming for an unofficial to Austin tomorrow. So now we are foolish. I like to think it means we are getting the “recruiting infrastructure” in place?
CTJ - thoughts on this action after your insider convo? moving to tier 1 now?
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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:
There are 3 routes in today's recruiting landscape for Texas to go, now that the SEC has fully invaded the state with a flood of money and corruption, led by and thanks to the mouthbreathing shit heels in College Station.
1) Georgia/Tenn/ATM route - straight-up slinging money overtly to recruits, handlers, and families. This works on some level, but there are families and recruits that aren't going to be wowed solely by $50k-$200k, depending upon the recruit. This angle also involves character risk.
2) Bama/USC/Ohio State - do the deals when you have to do them, but don't sacrifice for character and fall back on being a blue blood with a ton of advantages and the longer game for recruits once their career is over. Cherry-pick the portal as you deem appropriate. (Please don't insult this board's intelligence with some pedantic take involving recency bias about why USC shouldn't be listed here, this is who they historically are.)
3) Oklahoma/Iowa State - find your guys and get them every time, avoid the full-blown auctions because they're not worth your time due to the character/culture clash they usually bring to the lunchpail business. Play the portal to your advantage and build classes with it in mind.
4) Texas/Notre Dame/Michigan - be a patrician dipshit without an apparatus for getting guys you need, claim piety, and roll with whoever your blue blood status still enables you to land. This is no longer an option in this state and this has been abandoned by the staff.
It appears that the staff is going to go the route of option 2. It is going to be interesting to see what happens in the clash between that route and the dipshits in-state and invading the state with option 1. NIL's arrival cannot get here soon enough.
Bear Alexander and his handler are overtly running an auction for visits, commits, and ink. It will finish in the 6 figures for a player that already shows flakiness with transfers and character issues inherent with the behavior I just described. There's a reason Bama isn't pushing for a guy like this. He's a mercenary with risk all over him. Texas will be foolish to even host him on campus at all from here forward.
Things went well this past weekend, but let's see who all is wowed by straight bankroll and who isn't. I expect Texas to land a stud class, but the DB end can hurt. Brooks is going to sign with Bama. ATM is throwing money at the problem. Texas needs to sign Allen, Anderson, Guilbeau and Harris. A whiff on most of them will suck because they're all elite in some form. I expect Texas to be fine and figure it out.
This is a big cycle for all kinds of reasons, and it will tell us a lot about this staff's ability to get things done when they need to while still finding their guys who love football and may or may not be 5 stars, but develop either way into animals.
Could do more but got to get back to legit work. Sorry for typos, I'll proofread and edit this stream of consciousness later.
Info always appreciated.
Ctj or anyone else for that matter, not seeing the distinctions between 2 and 3. Anyone that can expand or clarify? Is 3 no deals which would mean category 4. If 3 are some deals then what is the difference from 2?
tia
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10 minutes ago, maninblack said:
It is. Rivals is antiquated and Orangebloods has been a big part of their relevance. However, Ketch has been hemorrhaging subscribers for awhile and that's going to continue when the new network Shannon Terry is creating comes online.
Not saying your are wrong and Ketch is shitbird but how would you have knowledge of his subscriber base?
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True Scholz. My permission comment applies to the rejoining the team part.
For mv and tex- thank you. This is what I was asking for.
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Is no one here going to attempt the mental gymnastics needed to reconcile the quitters comment from Sark and being allowed do withdraw from the portal to rejoin the team?
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23 minutes ago, closetojumping said:
One thing going on, and take this fwiw but it will be interesting/irritating to watch but, apparently, the job might be bigger than Brandon Harris at this point in his career. He’s getting lapped by the same guys at other programs, per some folks.
Are you able to clarify a bit? Do you mean in the “everyone has an uncle” part of recruiting or just straight up connecting with the players and families?
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8 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:
Gigem' board started a thread laughing at Roach about this update and Perroni basically confirmed what Roach said.
Hungry for tears. Please share.
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3 minutes ago, Fud said:
In a weird way, taking extra classes for an extended period of time with the aim of graduating a full year early while skipping your senior season is actually very selfish
Put this way, I am now stripped of my illusions. Thank you. We live in a dark hell.
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54 minutes ago, Fud said:
Blue posted “done with high school, finished all my classes”
I would not have expected someone with alleged issues at school of fighting teammates and coaches to graduate a year early. The world is a magical place full of wonder and mystery.
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2 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:
Alternatively, knowing what we know about this staff, their early returns, Terrell's agenda, and the fact that the comments are anonymous, the comments aren't disturbing at all and are literally meaningless.
Coming in as a new staff and without even having the ability to see recruits in person they have closed on a few big targets and they are right in the mix with pretty much every target we could reasonably hope for. They have secured official visits with most of them when they will finally be able to meet prospects in person and make some big moves in some of those recruitments and close out the leans. All while recruiting has been at a standstill across the country for the past few months. We're fine.
Works for me.
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Thanks to all for the history on Terrell. Agenda or not, unless some are made up which no one is alleging , the comments are disturbing. Hopefully a small sample size that more reflects on the prior staff than the current one.
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1 minute ago, billfromlaketravis said:
Anybody that has listened to Terrell's podcast shouldn't be surprised by any of this.
I haven’t. Are you meaning that this has been well established or he has a bias and lacks credibility?
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I do not doubt your experience with identifying weak staffs.
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I alluded to this issue in a prior post but once again a transfer target has eluded our attempts to gain his commitment.
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5 minutes ago, texifornia said:
What, specifically, are you wondering about?
In general, losing OOS targets to Ohio State and OU, who both do whatever it takes, in a year they both should make the Playoff is hardly an indictment. Banks has a bunch of friends on TCU's roster.
Wondering if we really are playing the game or just not effective at it.
But as you pointed out there are reasonable explanations for our misses, thus the small sample size caveat.
And thank you Mr Bot for correcting my error. I am better for it.
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