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  1. Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

    I may not agree with @DonkeyCigars but I also prefer when those with differing perspectives or opinions discuss them in good faith.

    When winter is here, we're going to have to decide if we want to work things out to our mutual benefit, or make the globe inhabitable because we all can't agree we're human. This pale blue dot doesn't have to hold human life, it can always be home to other forms that are able to survive and get along better than we do.

    I don’t mind Biden and wish him well. Honestly.

    More than that I wish Pfizer and Moderna well. I’m happy to tolerate and keep quiet and not be ugly about a Biden Presidency for 8 years and let the game keep going and let’s see.

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  2. 26 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

    I appreciate Donkey sticking around and taking his lumps. However, I can't help but be struck by his earlier admission that he chooses to not be informed about presidential politics because he thinks it's largely irrelevant. Shorter version: eh it doesn't matter what's happening because it will all probably be okay. That's not a healthy approach for a functioning democracy. 

    When informed about the actual craziness and misdeeds of the Trump administration, his response is "well, is it legal?" How would you ever know if you don't pay attention in the first place? And what kind of exceptionally low standard is that?

    Trump has broken the law, before and during his presidency, over and over and over. He's gotten away with it because of his Republican sycophants in Congress and he will continue to do so as long as they refuse to hold him accountable and as long as loyalists like Donkey keep their heads up their ass and keep voting R. 

     

    I don’t know that I said exactly that; I was saying more that I’m not up to the minute, hour or even day, but will try and aggregate and get up to speed on a weekly basis, usually from two mediums; Surlyhorns CR/ you guys and AppleNews when I’m bored of Buzz-feed’s listicles about what foods and customs Euros find weird about Americans.

    You are right in that I could not care less what Trump is blathering about from last week until Jan.5th or whenever the pumpkin date is, and I don’t even find a little bit of humor in the trolling he’s doing.

    I do think “is it illegal, tho” is a good barometer for this specific case: we are talking about people absolutely losing their minds about hypothetical and catastrophized theoreticals of Trump being Julius Caesar because he’s throwing a tantrum and finding loopholes/legal ways to obstruct or confuse or deny with the remaining window of time he has left. 

    If you are expecting the guy—who has never shown any decorum or reverence to tradition and graciousness and professionalism is not going to follow the follow the unwritten rules of baseball here because he’s a disruptive troll and pest— if you are expecting this guy to be gracious in his last hours of highest power (in USA) and with the bully pulpit, then I guess more power to you and your eternal optimist and hope in people against all odds.

    I don’t think it matters a whit that Trump is playing make believe office and let’s create a budget and busy work Biden will trash, or that Biden isn’t getting a thorough transition plan. A) Because they are probably worthless and riddled with bad data and strategy, and B) That’s politics, baby.

  3. 11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

    MAGA cosplaying chuds aren't going to be invading DC. They're terrified of DC because it has black people. That's why they keep running that game back to Portland time after time. They can't even win street battles against Portland's granola antifa, they're not ready for DC or Philly.

    Haha this is funny and accurate. 
     

    an aside, is the gritty rep good or bad or neutral? I’m afraid to give it in case someone thinks I’m negging them.

  4. 37 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

    Lol, this is a fun line you're trying to walk. 

    Tell me, do you think that society as a whole when people who make mistakes aren't corrected? Because not challenging anyone hasn't worked out so well for us in recent history. Where is the line drawn between when courtesy trumps correction and improvement and accountability? Is not conceding an election because no one will hurt the President's wittle bitty feelings by telling him he fucking lost good for America? Because not calling people out because it's "difficult" in my opinion has not worked so well for society. 

    Good questions and I mention radical candor for a reason, not as a joke but because I believe it's important for communicating to everyone, but especially with those you disagree with but have to live, work and play (or have Thanksgiving with).

    I think it's good to challenge and agree not challenging is bad. But what does challenge mean (in context of the OP/Thread Question)? Does that mean "You are stupid and you should feel bad for being stupid, pass the yams." a la obnoxious aggression (on both sides) or does it mean something else? Personally, I think if you care to have conversations across the aisle (not saying you have to), there is a healthy way to challenge firmly but respectfully.

    If you are of the mind the other party isn't worthy of your respect or time, then so be it, but then you are essentially saying "I don't have the patience or care to communicate with described in the OP".

    I agree there is definitely a line where courtesy for the sake of decorum and manners is enabling and trumps the correction, as you call it (or what I would suggest should be honest feedback) a la ruinous empathy.

    On the whole I agree with you and from what I am synthesizing from your posts, I think you'd agree.

     

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  5. 5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

    I'll tell you. I'm pretty close to jumping on the vocal calling out of stupidity at every turn bandwagon you are on, good sir. 

    It's definitely one way to approach the question of "How to talk to Republicans who don't agree with your facts or facts in general.". Radical candor is good and if someone is approaching you and offering stupid opinions or commentary, I can see the value in being rude and shutting them up thereby all but guaranteeing you won't have to deal with that person or listen to their inanity again.

  6. unrelated news, I noticed that our block has suddenly had a huge uptick in the amount of American flags being raised. Even in yards that had no political signs before. Several of them are obviously new and right out of the package. I'd say on our small street there's been 3-4 new flags put out in the last week. While I'm all for tacking back the flag from being a blunt signal from the right, it's also hard not to go:

    ^^^ Could have been for Veteran's Day or some HOA thing; do you think that's a possibility or you would have known about that so probably not?

  7. 1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


    Well....fuck...that’s horrifying. I’m sorry to hear about that. And I sure as shit hope the boy gets a different path. But yeah, we’ve worked to find a dr who gets it - we’re hopeful about the new one.

    Knew someone who went through this too, what HeHateMe described. I'm hesitant to even share this, because it's been idiopathic and causation does not equal correlation and all of that, but chronic mono/fatigue also in my experience leads to autoimmune issues where previously there were none. I think your kid is probably too young to feel the effects of, like, Rheumatoid Arthritis, but just keep that in mind as I'm no doctor and don't know what the menu of autoimmune conditions could even be.

  8. 10 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

    Man. He might just come around. When I was a teen I looked like a Japanese Prison Camp Survivor, and would almost faint going up stairs. I'm talking 120 pounds at 6' 3". Just didn't care about food, and my metabolism must have been on fire. Finally just aged out of it and am all ruddy and almost double the weight. But even into college, I think I weighed 150 soaking wet.

    You didn't have chronic fatigue, depression, migraines and maybe a mono virus that never went way.

    You smoked pot and watched The Wall on VHS in a bean bag on a loop so much it disoriented you on if you were awake or asleep and if you've eaten in the last 12 hours or 12 minutes.

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  9. Just now, Huckleberry said:

    Okay, now explain what's wrong with defunding police. 

    The term misrepresents the intent and meaning and invokes extreme emotional responses by not being clear that police aren't going anywhere, you just want to demilitarize and put some money into social services or whatever the real policy would be.

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  10. I see what bad_teammate is saying in that you can't expect the Democrats to be able to put out a fire they didn't start and can't control, but I agree with Hawndoh insomuch as it does seem, and the perception to many folks who aren't card-carrying members of the left and get the newsletters, that the Democrats are associated with that language and, at best champion it or at worst, endorse it, all because a sizable group of those who identify with the Democrat party have created a viral message.

     

  11. 6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

    You are seriously asking someone else to add 8?

    I didn't want to google his age and factor in his birthday, but yea I know, "quit being lazy it would take shorter amount of time/effort than the posts and follow-ups that came of it"

    Okay, so I looked it up. He'd be 82 at the end of his fake 2nd presidency. Still mega old and hilarious, but I thought he was already in his early 80's now, so not quite as ridiculous.

  12. 12 minutes ago, Nivek said:


    I don’t know why people get hung up on this stuff. Before I had kids I frequented places that did not cater to kids. After I had kids, I went to places that catered to kids. And yeah on occasion, I let them run around and be a kid and explore. I am not a helicopter parent and sometimes I need a break.

    Maybe you should reconsider dining somewhere that doesn’t have chicken strips and and cartoonish characters on the menu or ask not to sit next to the man-sized gum-ball machine.

    I remember one time at Miami’s airport just before we boarded my kid had a meltdown. People started crowding around us to board the plane and staring at me and the boy instead of giving us a little space. I looked everyone in the eye and asked them if they were entertained and then threatened to feed him candy on the flight. Less than half of those dipshits had any shame and kept on staring and crowding us. So I told the boy to feel free to scream on the flight, somehow that helped disperse the crowd.

    Being a parent has its moments and a society of selfish assholes doesn’t help.

    You sir, are a monster.

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  13. 9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

    People have been thinking this for decades and yet the GOP has become much more radically conservative and managed to maintain its political power. The dominant conservative bloc is very good at assimilating just enough new minorities into "whiteness" to maintain the status quo. Sometimes this is explicit, like how over time Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans just became white, or how Jews are usually considered to be white (until it's time to start blaming them for organizing white genocide or whatever). Sometimes it is implicit, like how Clarence Thomas (who nobody would ever call white) has so deeply internalized the values of white supremacy that he opposes integration.

    Our great great grandchildren will be fighting these same battles.

    You bring up a good point about the assimilation. I was filling out a demographic survey for something or another a few weeks ago and noticed when they ask for your race/ethnicity, I think they combined hispanic with white which I thought was weird. But I had forgotten that at one point being a "Mick" or an "Eye talian" or a "Pollock" was to be discriminated against and oppressed. I haven't seen Gangs of New York in a while, I guess.

    Those European/caucasian ethnicities all share a melanin family though, I feel like you'd have to change the language of the label and broaden the aperture of "white" to include model minorities that are brown like South Asians and Latinx. Though I could see Asian being able to slide into the identity of white as you suggest it evolves.

    Regardless, I'm not as bearish on these battles still being fought in 50 years as you are, but I see your point and see it as a possibility. It all depends on the next generation of GOP leaders; we've seen the next wave of Democratic leaders, I think, but have we really seen the cohort from the right that seem primed (or even likely) to take the baton?

  14. 26 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

    We are and always have been a deeply divided country because the white conservative bloc that has almost always dominated American politics has a very different idea of what America should be than everyone else does. 

    “Founder’s Dilemma”

    Thanks for the knowledge though, I didn’t know that and thought like atomheart. 

    I think an important thing to consider is that we will be able to test your hypothesis sooner than later— the white conservative bloc as you describe it is on borrowed time and will soon be a “Generation X”-sized bloc, and every bit as impotent, if the demographic trend continues at the pace things are changing across the country. No doubt a Democratic regime will be good for a tick higher growth of what is already a naturally occurring trend.

    The only thing that gave me pause and was curious was the way Hispanics in Texas responded in this election and am curious to see if it’s a regional anomaly or an evolution in subset demographic behavior.

  15. On 11/10/2020 at 9:22 AM, Dr. Beeper said:

    I’ll always be a SWA loyalist. Not because of fares or bag fees, but because of the way AA treats me in the airplane, at the gate and over the phone. I’ve never been treated worse by any company, and I’m not that high maintenance. It’s like AA gets off on being cunts to their clients. 

    If I can achieve the same direct flight, I will always fly SWA out of Love over AA out of DFW. And pay more to do so. Sometimes when flying to the Caribbean / Mexico, I’ll fly out of Houston just to take SWA over AA. Even though it’s a longer haul. 

    Disagree. Been a while but nothing better than being first on and first off and having the key to the rental already in the car waiting for you in a seamless process where you don't have to engage or talk to a human being unless you want to.

  16. This is trivial thing that annoys me, when I hear people draw up the comparisons to going to UT cheaply then in contrast to now.

    No offense to all the "Back then the University cost 3 farthings and a six pence or half a dozen bales of hay depending on the harvest", but we aren't talking about apples and oranges. Heck even when I went to UT-- at a much, much higher rate of tuition then I hear some wizened folks talk about it-- she was just starting to hint at what would become her stride years later as an academically and as a national, nay, global reputation.

    UT these days is a premium priced school for premium students of great ability. Just read the thread talking about our sons and daughters and their immaculate pedigrees and applications and the struggle to get in and get situated. 80% of us couldn't sniff a wait-list these days and would have been relegated to the Rawlings School of Business or whatever TTU calls it's little program, so let's not sit here and act like we are owed a cheap education from a premiere institution as a birth right. If you want working-class, work a full time job and still get a degree, go to Colin County College or Stephen F. Austin or something like that which, in 2020, is about what a1970's UT degree is worth these days.

    tl;dr and cliff notes: Pay the cost to be the boss.

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  17. I'm struck by what you just posted Brisket. Specifically about how Bubba in Montgomery County.

    Anyways, I better get to work, these hours ain't gonna bill themselves, har har har.

    edit to add: Cool thread you guys have here, thanks for letting me engage, hope it works out for those with personal relationships in strife due to the insanity and good luck at Thanksgiving with all our figurative MIL's that I know all too well like my boy Sydney Carton mentioned he had to deal with.

  18. 7 minutes ago, ndawg said:

    Our democracy is doing a great job of putting people into government that represent "us." However, they are representing our identity, not our interests. The vast majority of Americans have got no idea how to craft policy that balances individual liberty with improving the common good. Nor do they have the capability of seeing value through the lens of other people, so they can't negotiate, and can only get their way by making demands. By electing those who represent their identity, they put people into power who are as clueless and stubborn as them.

    That's interesting and insightful. I can definitely agree with you here. I think, to bring the conversation back to the crux/topic, there are many tens of millions of folks who voted for Trump based on their interests. Which is seen as selfish and pathetic, right? This is the upper-middle class white guy in the suburbs we talk about who are shrugging their shoulders that Trump lost and not losing sleep over it. But isn't that what you are suggesting we do? (Not to mention the tens of millions who voted for Trump based on identity and actually voted against their interests).

    I think if we drill down a level deeper, you are saying people should have a shared interest of a higher Maslow's order of hierarchy way, in that our interests ought to be utilitarian in nature (which makes sense as JS Mill's spirit was darn near a founding father it seems) and our shared interest ought to more or less be the same big buckets with the differentiation being on the margins.

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