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Posts posted by Had Enough
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24 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:
Stop with the Sam vs Quinn comparisons. Two totally different players, which I love and admire both for their efforts on the 40.
But hey, apples to oranges, ok:
Sam = John Wayne
Quinn = Brad Pitt
Just for an example. Like/love each other over time, but to say one is better than another is just opinionated.
Hook’em!!!Hey asshole, and when I say that, I don’t really mean it.
Comparisons are difficult because environments are vastly different.
Look at my Sam comments as appreciation for him.
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10 minutes ago, taybo20 said:
Idk but I’ve had enough of poor red zone execution. And quite frankly, the poor execution of this running game in our losses has me concerned. So, yeah, learn something from somebody.
I’m curious about practice allocation as we’ve seen fluctuations in pass pro and run game effectiveness. Or maybe it’s pregame coaching/analyst allocation. Too many wild swings.
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14 minutes ago, GTNY said:
Helm is such a terrible blocker (or he just doesn't care)... So many blown up plays this year I've rewatched only to notice Helm totally whiff on key blocks
Helm has reached favored player status. I think the ineffectiveness of TE blocking has been understated. There were questions about Sanders blocking last year. Maybe it goes beyond the players.
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2 hours ago, taybo20 said:
Wow…I hadn’t really looked at this play since watching live and all I can do is shake my head. Blocking just looks like ass and every coach should be embarrassed especially Flood and Sark. 99 has no business in there as he gets rag dolled. Hutson gets thrown to the ground. Helm has hands on no one. Majors gets stone walled and pushed back into the run. Connor gives no help to Majors and instead effectively blocks air as Banks pushes his guy out. Looks like Oklahoma 2023. They have to fix this shit and someone’s ass needs to get chewed. Go to a coach’s clinic because for 2 years this hasn’t been fixed.
Who is giving this coaching clinic because we’ve pretty much whipped everyone else’s ass in short yardage the past two years?
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15 minutes ago, closetohumping said:
Sam fumbled late vs usc. Blindly threw a pick vs osu when we had first and goal. Also slid too soon vs wva that cost us a first down.
That he did. Were those fumbles as a freshman? There was the Tech pick too.
I have no recollection of that versus WVU. I do recall him converting 3rd and 10 when they rushed 1.
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There is a reason you find very few two way players. Travis Hunter was not as good at either by virtue of this. A QB like Sam is similar. The manner in which he was used as a runner absolutely lessened his effectiveness as a passer. His mental preparation. His physical preparation. Off-season and in-season. To expect him to be consistent throwing as a guy like Ewers is asinine.
Versus LSU. Sam passed for 400 yards with 4 TDs. He also had 19 rushes. 67 touches. The carries beyond Sam were 17 for 61. There also was easy TD drop in there. I’m not sure there’s anyone today that has that burden at QB.
That LSU team was better than any we’ve played the past two seasons. That non-QB run game was not much different than any of the shit shows this season.
I use this as an example because the talk after UGA2 was Ewers threw for tons of yards. No run game. UGA scored what 22? Yeah LSU scored more.
Sam was not aesthetically pleasing throwing the ball. Fans are all too often wrapped up in that. And too wrapped up in perfection. He was more football player than possessing a great physical trait. He also made many a great throw that seemingly gets disregarded because we don’t like his throwing motion or it lacks the requisite RPMs.
Sam almost always gave you chance even late in the game. Sometimes against the odds. He’s got a loss on his ledger with a fumble on the TCU 1 and subsequent failure of the defense to get the ball back. A loss after taking the lead at ISU in which an offside killed the clock and the FG won it. I guess that’s on him.
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10 minutes ago, SuckitKevin said:
Sark said in the presser it wasn’t a blitz, just simulated pressure. He said they only sent 4. That simulated pressure probably still caused guys to be out of position so the point still stands I guess.
Guilbeau rushed so he wasn’t simulating jack. But we only rushed 4 so that’s not out of the ordinary. Fans will harp on it to make more that than it was. One defensive player made a wrong choice on the tackle attempt. Howard bought some time and some space that ultimately helped. Obviously it was well executed. Our reading of the play was more impactful than the rushing of Guilbeau.
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11 minutes ago, closetohumping said:
we ran Casey out of town and rightfully so. However he threw for 24 tds and 9’ints his only year as a starter. Not that far from Quinns numbers while playing with less talent
From memory, the DFEI was 47 this year. The next 3 years improved year over year but were all top 10. In 2021, the OFEI was 37 and represents the only year in Sarks tenure that the offense ranked better than the defense, relatively speaking.
Not particularly a fan of Thompson but those numbers do tell a story.
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20 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:
Simms, Ash and Buechele had a better deep ball. Buechele is probably a better passer and fit for that offense.I think people would have been quite pleased with Beuchele in this offense. Maybe Ash too.
Any comparison of Qb between Ewers and any others the past 15 years is not valid. He’s the only one that got 3 years in the same offense. The only one with consistency on defense- 3 top 10 defenses. The only one with draftable players at all offensive positions. And in the past two years, we’re undefeated in games he didn’t start while averaging about 40 points per game. I’m quite confident in saying he would not change his surroundings for any of those other dudes. And I’d guess all those would have loved to play at Texas the past two years.
Hes been fine. He’s been well compensated for his efforts.
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5 hours ago, D3zii said:
In my experience of playing and coaching
So you were a player coach?
I feel sorry for those kids.
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9 hours ago, Codaxx said:
You need to watch this play. Everyone is blocking. Moore is way down field blocking. Whoever is on the left sideline at WR is blocking. Perhaps the WR is running go on the right, but based on everything else more likely he is just running him off. Dorbah ignores the Rb and goes straight at Quinn. The run actually has a chance. There is no pull to throw option here. It’s hand off or pull to run.
Do we or anyone else run an RPO to throw a go route?
Looking at the end zone view, I thought Dorbah might have been able to get Wisner, but that side view makes it look unlikely. It could have been a pull, but we rarely do that, and I’d think we’d try to get the read DE chasing across the formation rather than playing upfield. That’s not to say the QB wouldn’t decide to pull it. Also would be odd for him to escape right when you’re kicking that DE out.
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There’s a hole for Wisner to cut up inside Campbell. The biggest impediment on that run was from the backside.
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Some Will Howard sucks stats. He’s faced 7 top 20 DFEI defenses. The Horns 3.
There has been some here to question his accuracy. Clearly great pass catchers impact that so not sure how you measure that. In any event, at every depth his adjusted completion percentage his higher than Ewers. He’s #1 at the deep ball.
A better offense suited to throwing. One with more talent too.
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1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:
Elite traits but not production. Without production you aren't much good are you? He can't be trusted, that is why he isn't targeted.
It’s interesting. He was trusted in a win or go home game two weeks ago. But that wasn’t the original play call either.
I understand the lack of trust regarding fumbles. That does seem to be more of an issue in the game versus pass game though.
Sark is unpredictable so certainly would not predict Blue with another big play or two, but I won’t be surprised either. We have not seen that angle route lately.
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34 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:
We should ditch 12 personnel with the current lineup. We gain zero advantages in passing or running game from that personnel package. Neither TE is a great blocker and only one of them is a receiving threat.
Again, the two Blue TDs versus Clemson and Helm OT TD versus ASU looked to be the exact formation with one being flipped to the left. Davis on the field.
UGa game 1 we sucked but first drive 2nd half. Guess what we opened in?
It’s a bit hard to parse out play reps, but last year Helm was on the field 50% of the time or so. More than Davis this year.
Believe we lead the nation in explosive plays. For the 8 game SEC conference schedule, we had the highest YPC in the conference. Without QB contribution. There might be some indicators within that as to how others operate offensively.
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For what we need and what he brings, Golden is elite. He’s open short. He’s open deep. He catches balls that many don’t. Our first play of the game. He separated then made a move. The 4th and 13 was a great route. The 2 pointer was great hands.
Helm as a pass catcher is pretty strong if not elite.
The two Blue runs versus Clemson would not be duplicated by a ton of dudes. In the open field he’s incredibly good.
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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:
Did you look at the drops by Georgia WRs I just posted? No clue how that gets factored into the math, but if it does that accounts for the variance.
A Quick Look at PFF shows Ewers with 76% adjusted completion %. Beck at 75%. I’m rounding so it’s less than 1%.
Average depth of target has Beck at 8.8. Ewers at 7.8.
For my team, I’d take Ewers now and the next level over Beck. But there are numbers to say take Beck. For either, the right situation is more important.
I am most intrigued with Dart. Maybe he’s the next Matt Corral, but he’s mobile with good size and made some nice throws. He’s got experience and improved year over year. I’m not sure I’d take a QB top 5 unless I had my offensive roster built out otherwise.
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6 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:
Apparently it wasn't a good throw(not my words).
Now you’re being a jackass.
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9 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
Seems like everyone thought it was a run except Quinn and Tre.
This is funny stuff. I’ve learned over the years no one can see all the stuff that goes down on any play. Sometimes even on slo mo and rewind you can’t tell. Or at least it takes more than one view.
Based on every one else’s action, it’s a run. The only other option is RPO with a 1 man go route. Goosby and Helm are saying run. The RPO doesn’t make sense for several reasons.
So, yes, the most logical conclusion is the error was on QB or RB.
Maybe Dorbah makes the tackle. If not, you have a successful run play. So did Sark call a bad play or not?
I think Dorbah did a great job as he may have forced the action and made the play.
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24 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:
Only 4/5 defenders in the box? QE should've checked to a run there, IMO.
Something is off. Goosby releases to the 2nd level. Helm pulls up through the hole. Slot receiver is run blocking. LWR looks to be blocking.
Indications are it was intended to be run.
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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
the ball is definitely under thrown and catchable. The later being the important thing. The former will now probably result in 2 pages of mental masturbation on whether it was 1 yard under thrown or 1.015 yards under thrown
Yeah probably. That was not my intent. And it doesn’t matter ultimately. All did their job to success.
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4 hours ago, Longhornlove said:
You make some decent points but the one I quoted wasn't one of them. You might be one of like 5 people to have seen that play on the planet and think it "really wasn't a good throw".
Thought I said it was a great play, which includes the context and result. So that overriding theme is the ultimate takeaway. The objective is to make it catchable. He did.
What we don’t know is whether Ewers short armed because he was tense or because he knew Golden had them easily beat. We do know that a vertical route is not one that is typically a basket catch caught at near the WRs waist with his back almost to the goalline. If we want call the Helm TD versus Clemson a “great” throw, then it’s fair to say this not is not good. It’s subjective. It’s semantics. I’m talking how you practice it, how you want to throw it given the expected defense. The throw itself was ok but the result was great. In my opinion.
I know you believe Ewers saved Sarks ass and it was all Ewers (I don’t believe you fully think this). His best work was pre-snap. But post snap Golden was the primary reason it was successful. Oh and the pocket was pristine. And the throw was catchable.
The QBs primary goal is to throw a catchable ball. Then you can evaluate from there.
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5 hours ago, Thatguy said:
First thing-It was a dumb defensive call in hindsight but how many times do we throw the corner? Their defense looked like they expected that route we threw and missed vs Georgia when Golden stuck his foot in the ground and faked the out cut. They jumped on it, then he cut it back vertical and was wide open. Bond or Wingo would round those cuts off(not sell it well at all) and it would be a contested catch. Good route running.
Those two throws off play action were good but how many unsuccessful ones did we have to trade for those? If you are far less successful than not you should probably not base your offense on it. You are right though. Sark is going to run it regardless so put your seatbelt on.
It was 4th and 13. They had momentum. Banks just false started right? We were a bit shaken. We get 12 yards game over.
You talk about us going 5-wide to make reads easier. That’s what they did for us. Moore was likely not the option - believe he ran short of the sticks. So it’s Wingo or Golden. Luckily Golden abused his man. All the mental work was done presnap. Sark said in an interview they’d worked on that look. So kudos to all for that Golden route.
The best odds of conversion in that situation will always be man on man. ASU had a defender about 3 yards off the ball, another about 8-10 yards deep guarding grass effectively playing with 9. The single high safety guarding the first down line.
For me, that’s never hindsight in that situation. It’s a shortened field so Ewers is not likely to run for a first against a zone. He’s been reluctant all year to let it rip in that intermediate area. You have to make the offense think a bit post snap then make a contested throw and catch.
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14 hours ago, Codaxx said:
It more than that. I think they had him outside the top 100 QBs in college football. That is a bold statement. One thing to say they think he under-achieved and been mediocre this year. Its another to say he is in the bottom 20 percentile of all college starters.
I’ve been trying to learn more about it but not sure they’d want the ultimate formula known.
I have not looked at overall ranks since this past game, but he’s likely jumped up a fair amount after Clemson and ASU I’d think.
His turnover worthy plays is pretty high. His big time throws has been low. From what I recall, his intermediate grade was not good and his deep ball grade was pretty solid but not spectacular. The big time throws come in those categories whereas the turnover worthy ones come at any depth. His sack rate per pressure may be high again. His pressure rate is relatively low. I don’t have numbers to support but he’s not really a create his own play guy. So not only is he not getting the big time throws he’s not getting plus grading out of his running or sack avoidance.
The formula is the same for all so the methodology doesn’t dislike Quinn. Every play of every game is watched. Unlike the fan that thinks they have a grasp on who does what best.
At one point, I had read there’s an element to the grading that effectively says just cause you got a sack doesn’t mean you get a positive grade. Maybe it’s just neutral because the expectation is that everyone would have done the same. If so, id speculate we have a relatively high rate of neutral plays.
For me, it’s difficult to reconcile his game. For sure in the college game, I don’t care about arm strength. The very biggest, most important play that he’s made was the 4th and 13. And his arm had little to do with it. It really wasn’t a good throw but rather the mental was what made the play. And Sark is very good at setting up easy QB plays. The Oline is very good in pass protection. Very few, if any, have had faster, more dependable pass catchers. Fans generally critically review their own so their view is we sucked versus Georgia. That’s every week for some QBs. Oh our pass catchers dropped balls. Again, so do most others not named Ohio State, Clemson included.
Name me one play in Ewers career in which he did like Leavitt on that Jahdae free rush. Made him completely whiff then got outside Moore and got rid of it moving to his left no less with Taaffe bearing down on him. It was a tough catch but Golden made about 3 catches that I’d consider similar. At the end of the game, that shows as 0-1 for the QB on that play but hard to blame him. It looks terrible in the rating. Not sure how it goes on QBR. I cannot imagine it being a negative on PFF and would actually view as a positive as he evaded a near certain sack.
Stats be damned. PFF grading be damned. His goal is to win. He doesn’t have to do it alone. He never has while here. He has to make 5-10 plays a game, and we’re good. Maybe a few more versus Ohio State. At this point it can be ugly. We’re not necessarily fixing anything at this juncture. Just execute enough colllectively to win.
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Ask yourself how many RBs you have seen with the ability to run for 38 and 77 yards in a single game angainst a playoff caliber team. And also score on 18 yard and 26 yard reception against the potential national championship. He wasn’t just open.
You can teach ball protection better than those traits.
Hes got some flags. There’s also a reason Sark kept him after the chaotic end to his high school career.