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Posts posted by Had Enough
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Interesting timing as I’m watching the replay. They’re showing Blues two TD runs versus Clemson. The same formation as this TD to Helm. However, Blues runs were to the strength of the formation whereas this fake to Wisner was to the weakside.
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I don’t think that was man defense. Maybe ASU treated it as a 3x1 and matched up the CB with Wingo by virtue of that. He for sure followed him. It doesn’t make any sense for the opposite S or LB to man up on Helm. There was no one overly aggressive in manning Wisner up either.
This is the TD play that people desire. Sark dictated to them how he wanted them to react, and they followed suit. If they somehow handle Helm, they have a Wisner problem. Maybe not a TD, but a successful play.
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3 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:
I was there yes. It was PA. Great play call. Helm was a TE on the right side. He delayed and the S came up enough to get the needed separation. The run action in conjunction with the Helm delay largely made the play.
My point is that when 2nd/3rd level defenders play downhill and are successful doing so they will continue to play downhill so play action can be successful when situations dictate.
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13 minutes ago, troph said:
That was entirely opposite of what happened in the last four drives. Sark barely gave the run any thought let Quinn sling it and he led four straight scoring drives with virtually no play action and only one that resulted in a positive play (albeit a bad ass TD).
My first paragraph was in reference to the season on the whole. Play action is Sarks idea of offense. It’s going to continue.
Posters here get their drawers all bunched up about shit.
If you’re talking the two missed FG drives and the two OT drives, you’re only talking two scoring drives. The easy TD was play action. The other was a great play but incredibly stupid defensive play call. One was a two minute drive so not standard offense. The other, yes, was a missed FG from 48 yards out, but we didn’t put it in the end zone. And it wasn’t a short field goal either.
We can win many ways. Even if the run game is not successful, the opponent respects it. We can certainly be successful throwing it too.
Sark may frustrate you, but the first and last TDs were direct results of his philosophies and tendencies.
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Just for a little added context here on the play action. Ewers has a higher completion percentage, better TD/Int rate, higher yards per attempt and better sack rate with play action than with no play action.
The lack of a run within a game is likely not that impactful within a game. The team prepares on what you’ve done collectively and with how they expect them to attack. It’s gonna be difficult in game to ask your 2nd and 3rd level defenders to not react to what they’ve practiced for two weeks. And it’s likely that if the run defense is successful, it will reinforce them to react to play action in a similar manner because they’re likely playing downhill.
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18 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:
PA only works if the defense fears the run, they certainly didn't fear it.
Can you double check that Hrlm game winning TD catch for me please?
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6 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:
Why is the lack of motion pre snap considered dumbing it down? You’d think since it makes it more difficult to tell coverages with motion and it’s more distracting, that it’s being made easier on the guy running it.
I believe it. You can tell how he double clutches before throwing sometimes. It’s like he’s not sure what he’s seeing or if the guy is open enough.Your question about lack of motion is a great one. I’m not sure how that’s dumbing it down. Exactly how complicated could it be? It’s a great way to create matchups. Seems odd we’d run different plays in practice to have different offenses.
On your last comment, this has been curious all season to some extent. Take that CB blitz in Ga game 1. Bolden is open but not tons of space. We don’t go there. Even that next game versus Vandy in which he hit Bolden on 3rd and 10 or whatever. He was hesitant out of the break. It worked just fine, but there’s a hint of what you’re referencing.
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1 minute ago, immamac said:
I'm saying that Quinn likely can do the hero ball thing, but gets beat over the head and yelled at for it repeatedly. He needs to stay completely on schedule because when he does whatever gunslinger shit he wants bad things can happen. Some QBs are just gunslingers, mahomes and favre are 2 very different incarnations of gunslinger type QBs. Quinn I feel is a gunslinger type who is being made to play as a pocket passing type.
I think there is potential merit to this. A QB can be too cautious. And a coach can coach a mentality out of you.
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17 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
guys you are mentioning were sophomores at the time. That goes to my point. I believe Junior Angilau was the only upper classman on that OL
In 2021, we had Jones-Okafor/Angilau-Majors-Angilau/Imade-Kerstetter. All but Majors were upperclassmen. Once they got over running into each other versus ArKansas, they were solid.
I am assuming that to get all the Banks-Campbell class we needed room and an open lane to early playing time. I don’t remember all the specifics but would think that Imade, Okafor could have been invited back but weren’t for this reason, amongst maybe others.
But for sure in 2022, we had now multi-year starters in Jones (4th year?), Majors (3rd year) and Angilau. We for sure could have had Karic (it was mentioned that he couldn’t play G, a position he started at a playoff SEC school ). We could have had Parr, a non-freshman but future starter on a playoff team, or Johnson, who at a minimum started at another Big 12 school. I’d assume Banks was a day 1 starter.
So you’ve got Banks-Angilau-Majors-Open-Jones. Angilau gets hurt so now two spots looking for serviceable players. Potential options from 2021 were Imade/Okafor (thinking they could have gotten a Covid year), Parr, Karic, Johnson (maybe he was already gone) and Conner. And what 6 other frosh. It was not ideal but workable. I believe we chose youth over some maturity. That’s fine for the end goal, but it likely hindered the short term.
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11 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
I think this is obvious. PK inherited NFL picks on the defense in Ojomo, Coburn, Sweat, Murphy, Overshown, Ford, and Barron. The DL has been a staple at Texas under PK.
The OL was an issue and had to be built up.
I liked the parts on the OLine. The instability of staff and system hurt those guys. And my opinion was that several weren’t the Flood prototype. Hard to say Karic, Parr did not go on to be productive. Ty Johnson had some production too.
I don’t blame Sark for year 1 getting big hauls on the LOS. But we’ve gotten limited production from those Dline recruits to date and lots from the Oline.
2022 might have looked considerably different had Junior not gotten hurt. Great effort guy. That caused younger guys to get thrust into the lineup too.
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20 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:
He has had 3 top 10 offenses by FEI. 2008 USC (9), 2019 Alabama (2), 2020 Alabama (1). The 2020 offense had 3 Heisman finalists on it.
So are you on the Sark is a mastermind or not so much? USC was too long ago. The Bama rankings and our rankings are part the reason for the question. Talent-wise we’re comparable. Physically Ewers is better than Mac.
I am not one to say the HC can’t be the play caller, but there’s enough to question right here, right now whether Sark needs to fulfill both roles.
11 minutes ago, Codaxx said:This is the probably the first disappointing offense Sark has had at Texas.
Could be. In my opinion, each of the 4 years we could have been better. Each year we seem to hit too many lulls in games.
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30 minutes ago, HenryJames said:
The thread goes on because 90% of this board is on the fucking spectrum and the remaining 10% is just regarded.
Where do I fall?
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So let’s look at a little DFEI.
2017 - 6th against the #12 offenses.
2018 - 29th against the 8th.
2019 - 42nd against the 14th.
2020 - 37th against the 34th.
2021 - 47th against the 10th.
2022 - 8th against the 9th.
2023 - 6th against the 10th.
2024 - 2nd against the 40th.
Let’s keep in mind it’s likely that the 2024 offensive version has improved their standing over the regular season due to the Georgia/Clemson games.
Based on these metrics, it’s worth noting that our 2024 SEC-SEC-SEC schedule was not a gauntlet.
The obvious and clear jump in the Sark era is on the defensive side of the ball. There is a clear influx of offensive talent over the Herman era although his accumulation of offensive guys was underappreciated (don’t take that to mean Herman is the second coming). More depth pretty much everywhere.
There is some consideration to the QB gets too much credit and too much criticism theory. It’s certainly present here. And ironically enough the defense, and it’s players, get considerable criticism in prior years even though they’ve been the better unit for 3 years running.
As an example in the Bama 2023 game, since that’s the premier game in the Ewers era. That was tied for their 2nd lowest point total of the season. The defense set our offense up at the Bama 30 and the 5 and represented the only game in which Milroe threw two picks. Yet there’s a little talk about the defense in that game.
So, yeah, it’s not clear that Ewers is better, or more important, to his teams success than Sam. And for those that want to post up Ewers for the team’s success but rail on those defenders probably need a bit of an ass whipping.
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All it’s a good day. @HenryJames is hanging out.
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You kids have been a little quiet lately so it’s nice to get the hostility flowing.
one thing that gets me fired up about this discussion is “he’s the best QB we’ve had in 15 years” point. But I’m a team first guy. So I did a little looking.
OFEI. Overall rank first then opponent defensive strength second.
2017 - 95 against the 65th ranked defensive schedule.
2018 - 17th against the 46th.
2019 - 9th against the 18th.
2020 - 17th against the 11th.
2021 - 35th against the 45th.
2022 - 17th against the 29th.
2023 - 19th against the 36th.
2024 - 17th against the 28th.
One thing that jumps at me is if Sark is such a mastermind, why haven’t his offenses done better relatively speaking? It is not a talent issue. I’d assume that damn near everyone likes this offensive staff better than Herman’s.
I appreciate Sarks creativity. His overall program building is tremendous. I still say we’re the favorite to win it all. Keep that in mind when I give you part 2 of my Quinn Ewers is the greatest QB of the last decade discussion.
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8 minutes ago, RichUT said:
Except we had a team record 11 guys drafted last year. And we’ll have several more taken this year.
This doesn’t even tell the full story. We’ve had the top back taken 2 years running. The fastest combo of WRs at the NFL combine ever. Is this the first ever we’ve had TEs taken in back to back years?
And not to mention our defense relatively speaking has been better than the offense all 3 years. Is it the best 3 year run defensively in 40 years?
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21 minutes ago, Thatguy said:
We aren't Alabama. There aren't 5 stars everywhere. The only 5 stars are the QB, a receiver that has been largely a disappointment to this point, and a couple linemen. Bama was better than you at every single position on both sides of the ball.
That describes McElroys Alabama?
Granted it’s not his fan base, but I don’t recall anything positive from our fan base about McElroys efforts.
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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:
Confidence is everything in sports. Everyone has 10 fingers and 10 toes. What separates the good ones is mental. Nothing you can do worse to a player than kill their confidence.
I can tell you from behind the scenes that Quinn is not having a good time here.
The first point is spot on. And it goes hand in hand with putting a player in the best position to succeed.
As for Ewers, the public perception means little or should anyway.
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17 minutes ago, troph said:
Probably a primary reason sark continues to go with Ewers over Manning.
Perhaps. The most logical is a former QB is sticking with his veteran QB. The big goal is still ahead of him and the team.
Back in the day, there was quite a bit of talk about Applewhite changing plays. Then I also heard there was “some check with me.” We used to run “check with me,” in high school and it really had nothing to do with me calling/changing the play. So I’m always a bit skeptical. In no way do I think this is the case here.
I do think it’s an element of Sark saying “here, look what he can do.”
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We are as equipped as just about anyone from a depth perspective to run; however, that’s a risky proposition. It does make the QBs reads simpler. And 1 on 1 catches are fairly common.
Our S played downhill pretty aggressively. With that comes some risk.
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11 hours ago, Steamboat1874 said:
Seriously?
It might be the first time Sark mentioned it but I doubt it is the first time he has made an audible that worked.
I am sure he made some that were busts too.
So what?
Yes, seriously. As a fan who likes tidbits of information, I am curious how often this occurs.
I am reasonably certain as to why this was brought up now. I do not believe it is an uncommon occurrence.
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28 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:
That was my freshman year in Longhorn Band, I’ve got it on dvd somewhere (x-ferred from vhs), gimme a few days and I’ll upload it…
I wanna see it. I was there but too short to see over the sideline.
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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:
Just wondering if you have Wingo’s blocking grade. I know he had some assignment busts, but I thought he looked good when he knew his assignment (add in 2 PIs). His blocking appeared to be a major upgrade from Bond. That might be part of the reason for all the explosive runs. Too lazy right now to go back and see if it was a factor
71.8 for Wingo in the run game. I’ve never looked closely at that but believe that to be good for WR.
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12 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:
Stats are great but are meaningless in reality.
I will take the championship Mt Rushmore over the stats one any day.
I hope you are right.
You sure seem to be defending one player to the extreme when talking about a team goal.
I do applaud some of the hostile words though since it’s the innernet.
3rd Qtr vs ASU. What went wrong?
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I just now saw this. But speaking as a wing T QB from the 80s, I’m not taking a ton from that offense. But maybe it’s bitter old man phase coming out.