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Posts posted by Newy25
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24 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:
It shouldn’t be shocking that Herman’s guys came in and fit better, they were his guys. That’s how it often works with coaching changes.
Chris Warren obviously has talent, as he’s showing in Oakland right now. Does that count as a bad eval because he was so underwhelming here? Or was he just not Herman’s type of guy?
Warren played soft even when Strong was coaching here. If a player has talent but is weak mentally or is unwilling to play hard, that is a bad evaluation. A lot of the guys on that attrition list have loads of talent. The evaluations were mostly bad mental and cultural fits.
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12 hours ago, closetojumping said:
Also, that 2016 recruiting class is trending towards pure dumpster fire. Holy shit, they’re coming into their 3rd season and the attrition is already staggering.
Gone:
Delance, Fowler, Elliott, Daniels, Cuffee, Southall, Hemphill-Mapps, Curtis, Demarco Boyd, and Aucoin. That’s 11 guys here for 2 or less seasons.
Buried in the DC and plausible to transfer:
Fitzgerald, Urquidez, Porter, Christmas, Chris Brown, Donovan Duvernay
Sniffing playing time but not starting, much less starring:
Hudson, McCullough, Buechele, Okafor, Wilson, Imade
Starting and sometimes starring:
Devin Duvernay, Brandon Jones, Collin Johnson, LJH, Roach, Shackleford
I mean, that is a grim class if trends hold for years 3-5.
I am still trying to figure out what Strong was actually good at. Nothing seems like the correct answer. His evaluations were extremely poor, his players were soft, the conditioning program was garbage and he had no idea what he was doing on game day. Herman and his staff come in late in the 2017 cycle and cobble together a class that passes up almost every single one of Charlie’s guys.
Now that his South Florida team is not stocked with top quality returning upper classmen I suspect things are going to go south pretty quickly for him.
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It’s hard for me not to get upset at the thought of him showing in the NFL what he should have been doing at Texas.
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1 hour ago, Shmitty said:
It also makes you wonder if Brett has any info from that staffer ZS was banging.
Well, he has a picture of her blowing him. I am pretty sure if he is even a remotely competent journalist he can figure out who she is.
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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:
My point was that allowing a coach to hang on because “Meh, we’re getting good players anyway” was the 2006-2010 recruitnik battle cry for the conformists. Not that that was you or me. This time around, it trends the same if the cancer isn’t dealt with early, even if the evaluations have started out much better.
Totally agree. I was merely attempting to separate the two issues and in practice it is probably impossible to separate the coaching from the recruiting success.
I will not lose sleep over missing on Preston, Waddle or Wilson. Not when we are getting top quality players. I lose sleep over missing top quality defensive linemen because well, we are not getting the out of state equivalent of Jake Smith on the line this year.
Jalen Reagor is the only receiver I am really pissed about missing on. He was there for the taking and is better than all of the above mentioned players and we just straight fucked that one up. There was no Alabama, Ohio State or street agent to fight against. Just our own incompetence.
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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:
There’s nuance and also unnecessary incompetence that makes the WR recruiting somewhat complex compared to other spots.
If Texas is good or rising, it really doesn’t matter who is coaching the position, as Texas will land some studs. As well, the state is a WR factory at this point, so if we’re properly recruiting to system and not just pulling a Bobby Kennedy, we’ll do okay. Finally, we have a depth problem after this season and with the rumored attrition at top of mind in the spring, anxiety at bringing in guys has been warranted. That’s the nuance side.
Then there’s the dipshit aspect, and Mehringer has rained that down in spades and it is worthy of derision. He ran off RHM, turned Collin Johnson into a mixed up afterthought, made Duvernay totally irrelevant and celebrated the mediocrity of Lorenzo Joe. Then mix in effectively ruining the shots with Wilson and Higgins while flat out missing on Wright, and you’ve got a potent cocktail of hate for a worthless motherfucker with no pedigree and no business representing the school.
It’s not that hard to understand. Also, I can overlay your last sentence onto the statements of 90% of the posters talking recruiting during the 2006-2010 era of Mack Brown recruiting and it would all match. Weakness at a position or two doesn’t matter, until it does. Meh is not the bar.
The differences in comparing the WR classes of 18/19 with the Mack Brown recruiting of 2006 to 2010 is we are actually getting good players this time. I openly laughed out loud at our WR takes on the IT board then as either camp fever picks or products of lazy recruiting analysis by scout services and our staff. I think we have, legitimately 2 starting caliber/all Big 12 type players in each class. Greg Timmons being the number one wide receiver in the state was a fucking joke then that I openly mocked only to have the hoople heads there roast me for it.
Our current wide receiver coach is a disaster and he needs to be fired for gross mismanagement of the position. My compliments to these two classes should in now way be read as any kind of endorsement to our current position coach.
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I never understood the anxiety over our wide receiver recruiting. The 18/19 classes are going to be two of the best classes I can remember. I realize our dipshit position coach is not responsible for landing them all but we are stacked with talent in those classes.
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4 hours ago, Gengs1 said:
I think Dan will fix the offense, just not sure it will be with these qbs, it’s gonna take him some time
He has his QB. The issue is he is a true freshman.
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Tom Herman leaked the dick pics, obviously.
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If I am Ohio St, I would strongly consider the real possibility that there is even more dirt out there and dragging this out and going to make this worse.
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So, is he still going to ask for his job back
Why in the hell would you keep this freak on your staff?
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1 hour ago, satyanash said:
Bobby Burton: How's Camp Going?
One of the questions we always seem to get is whether or not a particular player is having a "good" camp. Good, as an adjective, is relative. So below are a few categories and where I'd put the players based on the intel I've received:
Great camp
Good camp
Solid camp
Could be doing better
Poor campIt's important to remember that these are all relative to the expectations of each player. For example, I'm told Sam Ehlinger is in the "could be doing better" category. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad camp. It just means that that player hasn't necessarily lived up to expectations to this point.
It's also important to note that freshmen really don't have those preconceived notions even if they come in highly recruited. It's the coaches first real look at many of them. Last but not least, these ratings are certainly not definitive. It's my estimation based on the feedback I've received.
QBs
Shane Buechele - solid camp
Sam Ehlinger - could be doing better
Cam Rising - good camp
Casey Thompson - solid campRBs
Daniel Young - good camp
Tre Watson - could be doing better
Keaontay Ingram - great camp
Toneil Carter - solid camp
Kirk Johnson - solid campWRs
Devin Duvernay - great camp
John Burt - good camp
Jordan Pouncey - solid camp
Josh Moore - good camp
Colin Johnson - good camp
Lil'Jordan Humphrey - solid camp
Jerrod Heard - poor camp (as a receiver)
Davion Curtis - could have been better
Brennan Eagles - solid camp
Al'Vonte Woodard - solid camp
D'Shawn Jamison - could have been betterTEs
Andrew Beck - solid camp
Cade Brewer - good camp
Reese Leitao - solid campOLs
Sam Cosmi - good camp
Denzel Okafor - good camp
Calvin Anderson - solid camp
Zach Shackelford - solid camp
Derek Kerstetter - solid camp
Pat Vahe - good camp
Elijah Rodriguez - solid camp
Pat Hudson - could have been better
Tope Imade - good camp
JP Urquidez - poor camp
Junior Angilau - good campDLs
Breckyn Hager - good camp
Chris Nelson - solid camp
Charles Omenihu - could have been better
Ta'Quan Graham - good camp
Gerald Wilbon - good camp
Marqez Bimage - good camp
Moro Ojomo - good camp
Jamari Chisholm - solid camp
Keondre Coburn - could have been better (better lately)
D'Andre Christmas-Giles - could have been betterLBs
Gary Johnson - good camp
Anthony Wheeler - solid camp
Malcolm Roach - good camp
Joe Ossai - good camp
Bryon Vaughns - solid camp
Cam Townsend - solid camp
(does not include Adeoye, Overshown or McCulloch)DBs
Kris Boyd - great camp
Brandon Jones - good camp
PJ Locke - solid camp
Cade Sterns - good camp
BJ Forster - solid camp
Josh Thompson - solid camp
Kobe Boyce - solid camp
Anthony Cook - good camp
Jalen Green - good camp
Chris Brown - solid camp
(does not include Davante DavisOdds this is completelty made up?
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26 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:
Our opener against the Luke Fickell Bearcats is no gimme. But it's the closest thing we have to one on our entire schedule.
Who do you think is going to be your QB?
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Neg cannon triggered. Time to send him to Bolivia.
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20 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:
You're right. He had the opportunity to correct it at the later meeting with the reporter and he didn't and he should have. What a tangled web we weave. I still think that the first answer he just fucked it up. Then he was stuck. I have never contended that what he said about his knowledge of the 2015 incident was not untrue. He may have done it intentionally and if so then he lied. All it takes to bring a guy down who has done as much as he has is one lie about an allegation made against one of your coaches? Maybe I'm morally compromised, but I just don't think what he did is that bad.
Maybe you missed the point about hiring and retaining a piece of trash human being as being the real issue people have. The lie is just the salt in the wound.
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22 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:
He was kind of forced to at that point. The situation changed when it blew up in the media.
I'm just trying to discuss this and figure it out just like everyone else. I don't have all of the facts and behind the scenes information. I'm not claiming to know the truth. I'm trying to say that there is another interpretation of all of this, which is also backed up by the known facts.
You dont know anything but you know for sure, without any facts that it’s not as it appears.
Have you any concept how pathetically weak your argument is?
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Nothing against Bonney but I would not let him play for anyone on our schedule. Teams do it to us.
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22 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:
You can be a non-idiot and still fuck up an answer to a question - especially one that is confusing and very sensitive. It's not binary.
He did not just stumble through the question. He acted incredulous at even the thought that he knew about it. He flat out lied, repeatedly and anyone with any kind of impartiality can see that.
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2 hours ago, Laxtonto said:
This makes OSU look a bit shiity huh?
While certainly noble I am surprised they openly accepted all blame before even conducting the full investigation. Do they even lawyer, bro?
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So to summarize today, the 9.95' ers do not actually know what happened at practice, Ingram kicks ass and ctj is offering handy's to anyone in the greater Houston area?
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2 hours ago, texasstrong12 said:
Shocking news
The entire Ohio State community went out of their way to protect this rusty cunt bucket of a human being. Why? Because his pa pa was someone important?
I am glad this is all coming out. Fuck their rotten culture.
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1 hour ago, Machinator said:
Ingram should starts.
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It still pisses me off that Jalen Reagor is not a Horn. That man was born to destroy secondaries.
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Is OK state going to start true freshman Sanders at some point this year? Guy looks legit. I kind of hope they don’t.
Texas recruiting notes 2019
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I think the perception that he is known for recruiting was born out of the fact that recruiting seemed like the only thing he did well when he was here. But now we know he fucked the dog in recruiting as well.