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  1. 1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

    I think where we differ is that you seem to think the political philosophies they parrot are their actual beliefs.  I don't think they are.  Take the Tea Party voters and their supposed political belief that our government should stop running up the debt.   You think, it seems, that they followed a reasoned process to adopt a strain of conservative economic thought with a storied history, even if they didn't know about it's origins.  I don't think they did.  I think they only daid those things because they hated Obama on a gut level, it was a tangible thing to blame him for, and it was a good excuse to oppose Dem spending priorities.   And I think the absence of the Tea Party now, with the Republicans spending more than Obama and increasing the debt more than Obama bears this out. 

    And I think most Americans are like this, to some degree.  Only some gut instincts are better than others. 

    No, I don't think the average voter has a well thought out political philosophy. I think they just parrot certain aspects without understanding what they are really advocating.

     

     

  2. 6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    The debates don't come from our gut.  But what comes from our gut largely decides what side of the debate we choose.  Not because we are actively engaging in political thought, but because it provides a ready-made justification for the conclusion we already wanted. Which is why the "principles" are so easily ignored when they no longer serve our gut.  Why do you think Republicans are only conservative when Dems are in charge?   Because it's outcome determinative.  Small government, etc., is good when the government would be doing Dem things.    Then Republicans take over, and the principles are put on the shelf.   Or why "conservative" beliefs about the role of government never extend to social policy, where the government should extensively regulate vices.   There are exceptions, but I'm talking about most people.   

    If you really tried to nail down the political beliefs of most Americans, you'd get things like "we should help people who need help the most" or "we should reward success, not punish it," or "we should keep America a Christian nation" or "we should eliminate white supremacy."  Everything beyond those core beliefs is just window dressing for most people.  They vote for the side that promises the results that line up with their gut. 

    Just to be clear, I don't consider Republicans to be principled. However, I do think the social issues being played out are subject to the push/resist social process mentioned earlier.

    If you are saying most Americans do not fully weigh their political beliefs than I would agree. I  would just add they are parroting a particular political philosophy but they are just not aware of it.

     

  3. 10 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

    Wrong. Mexico is going to pay for the wall. 

    That would be ethnic populism.I think of it more as a condition rather than an ideology. Racial strife tends to mask class tension. Its no coincidence the MAGA folks are also the one's that find themselves being left behind by globalization.

     

  4. 35 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Seems like entangling the U.S. in the Vietnam War was a decent consolation prize for the Russians.

    It’s hard to contemplate the state of the world at the time but Kennedy was a significant threat to Soviet expansion because he was so influential with his idealistic rhetoric. This was a war of ideas.

     

    Yes, Kennedy was opposed to Soviet and Communist expansion because he was a cold war warrior which was why he got us entangled in Vietnam.

     

  5. 29 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    Most people's political beliefs originate in their gut.  And then they use their reason to justify it. Philosophers and political theorists don't have a hell of a lot to do with it. 

     

    No not really. We are presented with certain ideas to choose from that were previously established earlier in our history. We pick sides on old debates that come from the Western Canon not our gut. Which is why no one  in the U.S. advocates new confucianism as an idea pulled out of their gut.

     

  6. 1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

    WTF is "dragon energy"? Does "dragon energy" must you fucking stupid?

    It's like "tigers blood". Its the kind of thing mildly retarded bat shit crazy people who inexplicably have a public voice get to say.

     

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  7. 14 minutes ago, Tuco said:

    I don't know what "traditional" conservatism is, but there are plenty of people who identify themselves as conservatives who would prefer to hold off any progress on social evolution indefinitely.  It wasn't the "Defense of Marriage for now" Act.

    It's classical conservatism rooted in Burkean thought that permeates modern American political conservatism. Sure most conservatives don't know this but most modern American liberals know fuck about John Stewart Mill.

    Most people don't really understand where their political beliefs originate nor care to know. Does a discussion on Rawls vs Nozick to determine the merits of positive and negative rights sound more interesting than the shit we talk about Here? No, it sounds pretty fucking boring so we fling shit for entertainment.

     

     

  8. 8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    The good thing about GOP awakenings is that they come after their members have accepted once progressive positions as norms.

    The left always wins.

    That's just the result of the social push/resist process between cons and libs. Traditional conservatism sees it's role as being a resistance to change to allow society to organically evolve rather than radically shift social mores. Its role is to slow down change not permanently stop it. Edmund Burke out front should have told you.

     

  9. 2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    The problem is, multiple political ideologies end up running under the banner of a party that doesn't necessarily share those ideologies. The Democratic Party is well within its rights to support the candidate that it believes best reflects its political platform. That's its raison d'être.

    The primaries are supposed to be how the platform is shaped, it's supposed to be fluid based on the outcome of the primaries. If a political minority is shunned from the primary process then don't be surprised when a 3rd party steps into represent that minority in the general election (steal votes away.)

     

  10. 7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    You should probably make a thread for this topic and stop derailing this one. There's significant trump news happening that you're drowning out, my dude

    Let me guess, Trump's a retard and said or tweeted some retarded shit. People associated with Trump may have done some illegal shit as well as said some retarded shit.

     

     

  11. 7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    Democracy under this system captured by the Democrats and Republicans sure is something. 

    In a two party system, the primaries are supposed to be where multiple political ideologies are included in the democratic process. This is supposed to be how most political views get represented. Of course we know this isn't what happens but what is really insulting is when party loyalists insult 3rd party voters for acting as a spoiler.

    Motherfuckers, if you eliminate minority voices from your process don't expect their vote in the general election.

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  12. 1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

    Just got a text from the coach. Every kid must wear a cup. 9 year olds. Is that common now to require one?

    Yes, it's normal. Get him some sliding shorts to go with the cup.

    53 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

    I’m gonna buy him an adult large, work it into a kid jock, and have him waddle out to practice.  

    I did this when my youngest couldn't find his cup. He wore his teenage brother's cup for a game. LOL he looked like one of those male ballet dancers.

     

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