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  1. 3 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

    There's also a sort of Murder on the Orient Express angle to it. Maybe err'body killed Kennedy: Hoover's FBI, CIA, the mob, and even some Russkies. 

    That was 14 year old F250's understanding of the conspiracy. I didn't realize there were competing theories. I just thought it was the Russians, Mob, Cubans, LBJ, CIA and Free Masons working together.

     

     

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  2. 1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

    I think where we differ is that you seem to think the political philosophies they parrot are their actual beliefs.  I don't think they are.  Take the Tea Party voters and their supposed political belief that our government should stop running up the debt.   You think, it seems, that they followed a reasoned process to adopt a strain of conservative economic thought with a storied history, even if they didn't know about it's origins.  I don't think they did.  I think they only daid those things because they hated Obama on a gut level, it was a tangible thing to blame him for, and it was a good excuse to oppose Dem spending priorities.   And I think the absence of the Tea Party now, with the Republicans spending more than Obama and increasing the debt more than Obama bears this out. 

    And I think most Americans are like this, to some degree.  Only some gut instincts are better than others. 

    No, I don't think the average voter has a well thought out political philosophy. I think they just parrot certain aspects without understanding what they are really advocating.

     

     

  3. 6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    The debates don't come from our gut.  But what comes from our gut largely decides what side of the debate we choose.  Not because we are actively engaging in political thought, but because it provides a ready-made justification for the conclusion we already wanted. Which is why the "principles" are so easily ignored when they no longer serve our gut.  Why do you think Republicans are only conservative when Dems are in charge?   Because it's outcome determinative.  Small government, etc., is good when the government would be doing Dem things.    Then Republicans take over, and the principles are put on the shelf.   Or why "conservative" beliefs about the role of government never extend to social policy, where the government should extensively regulate vices.   There are exceptions, but I'm talking about most people.   

    If you really tried to nail down the political beliefs of most Americans, you'd get things like "we should help people who need help the most" or "we should reward success, not punish it," or "we should keep America a Christian nation" or "we should eliminate white supremacy."  Everything beyond those core beliefs is just window dressing for most people.  They vote for the side that promises the results that line up with their gut. 

    Just to be clear, I don't consider Republicans to be principled. However, I do think the social issues being played out are subject to the push/resist social process mentioned earlier.

    If you are saying most Americans do not fully weigh their political beliefs than I would agree. I  would just add they are parroting a particular political philosophy but they are just not aware of it.

     

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