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Incredulity

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  1. It's comical that polls are still viewed as the the mechanism with which we should evaluate likely election outcomes, given the 2016 election.  I am unaware of any great poll "reform" or update that addressed that gigantic fuck up.

  2. 1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

    My God. you're all over the place trying to grasp for an argument that you don't even understand.   That position has nothing to do with the op-ed you just linked.  Did you even read it beyond the title? 

    As for your argument, you're conflating the Executive with the president.   The president can suffer legal consequences after his term is over.   That is why Bill Clinton had to deal with potential criminal charges, which he essentially settled by admitting wrongdoing, paying the other side's fees, and giving up his law license for 5 years.   He was subject to potential criminal liability and the rule of law, entirely separate from the impeachment process.

    And the impeachment process, from articles of impeachment to trial in the Senate, is absolutely a political process.   That there are governing legal standards doesn't make it otherwise.   There are legal standards governing the passage of legislation, too, but passing legislation is quintessentially political.

    Clinton was acquitted in that process and public opinion strongly supported that acquittal.  There was no public price to the representatives who voted to acquit.   That means his offense was not worthy of removal.  Literally by definition.   It is the voters who have the last word on what is right and what is wrong here.

    Even if the Senate is likely to acquit trump, if the offenses prove serious enough, the House should tee it up and make the Senate take a stand.   And the voters will decide if they got it right or wrong.

    The Executive is a commonplace synonym for The President.  Nothing is conflated.

    Whatever CAN happen after office isn't the point.  

    Of course impeachment is in practical terms political, that is precisely because of the Presidents immunity to prosecution, legal,  DURING presidency.

     

    Unless there is audio or video of Trump and "High Ranking Russian Officials" having a pow-wow colluding there is no way he is criminally prosecuted.  

  3. 1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

    He can be prosecuted once he's out of office. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon.

    of course, but the swamp creatures really aren't into jail time for their own.  Maybe, Trump would be different?

  4. 23 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    Not in that context.  And if I'm telling you something you didn't already know, you should go read up on Clinton's acquittal and the public opinion of it.

    TIL the rule of law is based on public opinion and context.

    I really don't see any downside to that.  You know law enforcement discretion, until not.  Like two black guys sitting in a coffee shop.

  5. Just now, Mojo Hand said:

    But it will put on record the Senators that refuse to vote to remove.   Didn't make a difference with Clinton because his offense wasn't worthy of removal from office.  If the allegations against Trump are substantiated, voting against removal will be a permanent scarlet letter.

    purgury isn't worthy of removal.  good to know.

  6. 41 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

    It's much better to have a joke go over your head than a stream of piss.  Just sayin'.

    I once saw a guy winning bets at a party that he could pee onto to roof of a house standing on the ground.

     

  7. I will venture a guess his book is extremely damning of Trump and moderately damning of Hillary.  The former will be shouted about on MSNBC and the later on Fox.  Both will declare vindication.  Comey isn’t anyone’s homey, he bumblefucked the entire situation.

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