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  1. 19 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:


    We acknowledge there’s a new top financial tier.

    What were raging about is the amount of schools that are grandfathered into it that are only receiving that financial advantage due to long standing associations with some of those top tier schools that are letting them along for the ride.

    If the top 10–15 brands did their own thing, I’d be thrilled. Everyone left would belong together.

    And this tier is only about finances. There are 4-5 programs that can win a natty. Maybe.

    Yep.  It sucks.  And life isn't fair.  Sometimes you get screwed even when you do everything right.  But in the wise words of Marlo...

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  2. 10 hours ago, ONE YARD said:

     

    cool texas monthly article from 1974 on conference realignment 

    it really is funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same  

    The Decline and Fall of the Southwest Conference Two things are certain: death and Texas.

     

     

    That's hilarious.  Like you said the more things change the more they stay the same...1) Realignment is so terrible for college football, the world is ending, and 2) it's all Texas' fault!

    Give me a break.  The clutching of pearls in the CFB media is hilarious.

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  3. 9 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

    The SEC does not want to freeze out ND.  They're ND's biggest Indy supporter.   If they freeze them out, they join the B1G

    That's fine, because ND was never going to join the SEC.  ND in the B1G is better for the SEC because...

    12 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

    Yeah? Well good on Notre Dame then.

    The status quo sucks.  The PAC is better off dead.  The ACC is a joke outside of Clemson who is rapidly fading.  We already live in a B1G/SEC world.  It's time to formalize it, create better in-conf matchups and get the realignment into 1-2 conferences done so that 1) a single seller controls all the media rights creating higher $$$ like the NFL and 2) we can re-divide the B1G/SEC into smart geographic divisions after relegating the Baylors of the world.

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  4. Those ND fucks are going to stall this whole thing for a decade.

    One of the B1G or SEC needs to fund Clemson/FSU/NC to fight and break the GOR to kill the ACC. Once that happens and removes that ND escape hatch, the B1G can lay the pressure by taking Oregon and UW and a few others and leave no other options. Then, they leak the new B1G/SEC 8-team playoff proposal that freezes out ND. That is the only thing that will for ND at this point. Otherwise NBC will give them just enough to get by. The PAC, Big12 and ACC will figure out how to do enough to survive, establish a new 15 year GOR to freeze everything in place, then use lawsuit threats/anti-trust to preserve undeserved playoff access.

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  5. 1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

     I am not sure the Bama game will tell you much on anything. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the Bama front 7 is a mismatch for Texas. Schemes are cool and can occasionally win you games, but if can’t win 1 on 1s the scheme is meaningless. 

    Agreed, to get this back on recruiting, we need try to keep our Bama loss respectable and hold this class together, then stack 2-3 more top 3 classes to compete in the SEC.  Otherwise we're Auburn with a cooler helmet.

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  6. The nightmare scenario here is that the Big12 or ACC poaches some programs and locks them up in another 10-year GOR, freezing this bullshit in place.  We all know where this is ending up: the B1G and SEC with 20-24 members  divided into geographical divisions, and the Group of 5 turning into the Group of 8.  An 8 to 12-team playoff (8 may be more likely now with the Power 2) that has no more than 1-2 entries for the G8 and the rest for the P2.

    Let's just get there.  Fuck Notre Dame for their goddamn independence bullshit - freeze their ass out of the playoff and let's see how they feel.  Blow up the ACC GOR and get this shit moving.  Don't make us wait in limbo for another 10-15 years, soaking like the Mormans.

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  7. 13 minutes ago, n64ra said:

    Maybe I should have said "Stanford and/or Cal." It doesn't make sense to me to expand west and skip the whole state of California. Utah can't provide much as the Big 12 is already getting BYU. Don't need both Arizona and ASU to claim the state for TV markets.

    It's not about the state, the city, the market area or the DMA anymore.  We're not living in the linear cable TV world.  It's about the eyeballs the brands bring.  If it were just about planting a flag in LA to "get the LA market," the B1G would only have taken USC and not UCLA.

  8. 9 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    From the metrics that matter (ability to attract eyeballs to football games) the leftover PAC is complete trash after Oregon/Washington… and the two of them aren’t anything super special. They are basically on-par with the top of the leftover Big 12 (BYU/OSU/WVU) in that regard. The rest of the leftover Big 12 (save for KU) is MUCH stronger in that regard than the leftover PAC.  K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, and everyone else have much larger and more engaged fan bases than Oregon State, Wash State, Stanford, Cal, etc.

    If Washington/Oregon can’t land in the B1G they would be much better off joining some combo of the AZ schools, Colorado or Utah and join the new Big 12.

    That might all be true, but I just can't see UW and Oregon swallowing their pride enough to join the Big12 w/ "lesser" schools in their mind.  In their mind they are logo schools.  We'll see!

  9. 12 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

    The Big 12 should only try to get the Arizona schools. Wait and see if Washington/Oregon end up in the Big 10. Would be awful to get Utah/Colorado if they could have had Oregon/Washington.

    I think it's more likely that Oregon and Washington stay in the PAC and try to recruit Big12 teams to them than that they bail on the PAC for the Big12.  Their preferred options have to be:

    1. Join the B1G
    2. Stay in an expanded PAC by poaching some Big12 teams
    3. Figure out some ACC/PAC merger? lol
    4. Join the SEC
    5. ...
    6. Join the Big12
  10. 30 minutes ago, mdmost said:

    ACC has the right for Notre Dame to a conference first as part of their media deal. ACC would have to dissolve and that isn't happening. 

    Also, Notre Dame gives up their ability to pick their schedule if they go to a conference. With an expanded playoff, they really don't have to join a conference. The TV partners aren't going to let Notre Dame be left out in some form. They get a special exemption. 

    You got your edit in, good.  The exemption that ND was going to get was under the old, not approved 12-team playoff proposal.  All bets are off now.

    The suggestion that TV partners won't allow a playoff without ND makes zero sense.  One of two things will happen:

    1. ND stays independent and leaves their rights with NBC who has zero juice to tell the B1G and SEC anything about how to design the playoff, or,
    2. ND joins a conference and this is a non-issue, they make more money, and the TV partners make more as well because they'll get ND into better matchups as well as the playoff.
  11. 1 minute ago, JFKFC said:

    Everyone always said CFB should have relegation like English soccer. Well, a lot of teams got relegated today. 

    The new G8 will probably consolidate down some if the supers go to 20 or 24, but actually relegation/promotion might be a bone to toss them that they could win their way into the supers?  Fun to think about but doubtful it would ever happen because it would be too fun.

  12. 2 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

    In a scenario where it really does become SEC and BIG with 20-24 teams running shit, are there luckier motherfuckers out there than the likes of Rutgers, Illinois, Northwestern, Vandy, Mizzou who I guess are grandfathered in?

    24 teams each would leave 16 total spots for leftover ACC, Pac-12, Big Ten schools and Notre Dame (37 total).  Kind of fun exercise thinking through how you rank those schools in terms of desirability.  

     

    Is there historical precedent for kicking teams out of a league?  That seems much more difficult than a team making a decision on their own to leave to another league in their best interest.  Feels ickier.

  13. 2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:


    If they’re that much better they’ll easily win their first round games and play each other in the Natty.

    USC and UCLA aren’t raising the quality of football in the Big 10. They’re raising the pay day.

    2 super leagues and G8 are more likely now than 4x16.  I get why the new G5+3 would want AQs in the new world, they have a much easier path and then only have to win one game to get into the championship.  It's just not realistic given the level of competition in the 2 supers vs. the lower leagues.  You'd think the G8 would actually be advocating for expanded playoff now, not the other way around.

  14. 6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Big 12, Pac 12 leftovers, and ACC need to sit down and align into 2 leagues. WVU, ND, Cincy, UCF join the ACC. Rest of Big 12 and Pac 12 merge into Big West or something like that.

    4 super conferences. Keep 4 team playoff

    LOL, that might work in a world where the 4 supers are close to equal but they aren't close in that scenario.  B1G and SEC are head and shoulders above the other two.  I'll take that deal if SEC and B1G get two AQs each.  Otherwise, the arguments for expanded playoff of 12 are still valid.

  15. 2 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

    SEC may need to be proactive and look at FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, Duke, NC State, UVA, and VaTech before the B1G does. Though still no idea how you have a conference with 24 fucking members.

    The only way that works is when the SEC and B1G breakaway and create a 48-team super-DIV1 and make the AFC and NFC.  Then they can stage their own sides of the playoff bracket and meet in the College Super Bowl.

  16. 3 minutes ago, NoName said:

    again, it's lazy to act like it doesn't matter here and now. if you think that 5 years of USC playing in a conference where there are currently 8 teams in the Eastern Time Zone + 6 teams in the Central Time Zone + 1 other team in the Pacific Time Zone isn't going to impact anything when it comes to fan involvement and TV ratings, you are wrong. Currently 10 of the 12 teams in Pac 12 are in Pacific Time Zone and the other 2 play in Mountain. Worst case, these teams have game starting 1 hour behind vs 2 hours for central and 3 hours for Eastern.

    In Week 10 of 2021 (random selection in the middle ish of the season) there were CFB games Tuesday, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat. for almost all of the NFL season there are 1 game Thursday night, Sunday and 1 game Monday night all in very, very well defined windows.

    Mountain out of a molehill.  This is a solvable problem through smart scheduling and windows.  Plus it ignores the other side of the risk which is standing pat in the disaster of the PAC, which is arguably much worse.

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