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  1. It was good.

    * no flyover due to low cloud cover, I’ll allow it, we will get one this year
    * new Derrick Johnson hype video slaps
    * fewer ads than years past
    * new video boards in sez are an upgrade but agree rushing att/TDs is odd

    Improvement needed:
    * heat and humidity sucks, install some big ass fans
    * under the west side is like a prison, puddles, no TVs or signage. Easy fix, just money.
    * stop showing the hellraisers. Those fucks are an embarrassment

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  2. For a player of the skill level of Bijan, getting him to return vs. jump would have to be an extraordinary number plus as you've mentioned desire to cement legendary status like Heisman.  Because it's not just offsetting what he'd make in the rookie contract, there are downstream effects too like he's now behind a year on accruing seasons which could potentially hit 2nd or 3rd contracts, etc.

  3. 11 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

    So I guess Oregon St and Washington St are about to get fucked? Mountain West seems like the most likely destination (I know nothing about the conference or its future plans - but seems to make the most sense geographically).  The Athletic had an article about the AAC being an option - and they have a slightly better TV deal than the Mountain West - but that just doesn't seem like it would make much sense.  Going from 35 million a year payout to 5 is a real dick punch for those universities and the towns they reside in.

    Yeah they'll be dropping lots of Olympic sports soon.

  4. 4 minutes ago, HouTex said:

    Looking back at the July 2021 posts when the announcement was made there was talk that the Big 12 would dissolve almost instantly.  Then there was talk about UT actually joining the SEC with the 2022 season and certainly by 2023.  So now it seems that the earliest time would be the 2024 season?  So maybe one season early?  

    It's going to go slow, until it goes fast.  I'm sure discussions are happening at the highest levels, but there are also pre-requisites that have to happen first, like the rights negotiations.  Those timeframes are outside of UT/OU's control and also somewhat outside the Big12's control.  Gotta have focus on those before they have enough clarity on what they need to let the contracts and GORs up early.

  5. 11 hours ago, Zinhead said:

    The four team playoff gives teams that have made it into the playoff a big boost in recruiting, which then improves their chances of getting back into the playoffs. This feedback loop is why we see the same teams in the playoff every year. Unless a draft is instituted or a head coach changes, the feedback loop is difficult to break since talent accumulation (recruiting) is so important to college football. However, expanding the playoff to 12 or 16 schools will also expand the teams that can benefit from this feedback loop. The talent that is currently concentrated in the top 5-6 schools will be diffused to a group of 10 or 15 that will likely be playoff regulars. In this scenario, with talent more spread out than it currently is, it is much more likely that a BYU, Baylor, Cincy, or OK State level school can take advantage of HOF coach and make a deep run into the playoffs.  

    I agree with the theory that an expanded playoff will widen the pool of teams who benefit from the feedback loop.  I disagree that those teams are going to be ones listed or those like them; it will in fact be a wider collection of blue bloods and near blue bloods: Alabama, Clemson, OSU, Georgia will be joined by Florida, Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Michigan, etc

  6. 10 hours ago, BluTechsan said:

    Yeah there’s no way the wild card Giants could ever beat the undefeated Brady led Patriots...

    CSB!  Now do the version where there's no salary cap, no CBA, unlimited free agency, and the wild card Giants are located in Waco.

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  7. 8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

    why you sharing your porn collection on the football board? smh

    More like torture porn.

    What's insane is he made contact well behind the LOS.  Evans is what, 5'5" 150 lbs?  And Brock got pushed.

  8. 1 hour ago, FartingDreamer said:
     
    This succinctly sums up my point in a nutshell.
     

    https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=29157648&tab=top10

    "The NFL is a better on-field product than CFB, and its not particularly close. So the casual football fan without any ties to a university tends to watch the NFL. As you remove more & more schools from the highest level of CFB the fans who follow those programs interest in their team wanes. And when fans stop caring about their own programs they aren't going to watch your programs either, which impacts your viewership significantly. So without a robust and relevant FBS, the B1G & SEC will no longer attract the viewership to warrant these huge TV deals. Andy's point about CFP access is a good one, because even as the B1G/SEC separate themselves financially, so long as there is a clear path to a national championship the other schools & fans will remain engaged despite being at a disadvantage".

    I know you want to believe this.  That doesn't make it all true.  Let's stipulate things we can agree on, from above:

    • The NFL is a better on-field product than college - mmm, sure.  It's pro, it's the top 2% of college players doing it as their job.  It's also antiseptic and vanilla.  I'd argue if we expand the product definition to include tradition, emotional connection to your university, the pageantry of the full experience, etc that college is better but whatever, it's not germane to this discussion.
    • That CFB fan interest will wane if their team is relegated out of a Power conference - again, maybe?  We can cite counter-examples too, like TCU and UCF that have grown fan interest, or even SMU whose interest looks like a reverse bell curve with a big valley after SWC exit and death penalty and they've been building ever since into a pretty solid program with support.  Their fans didn't suddenly disappear, in fact they grew.
    • CFP access - I agree that there should be CFP access for non-P2 programs.  I don't think anyone is suggesting a B1G/SEC-only playoff.  Now how do you balance the access is the question.  AQs for non P2 programs seems silly if the Big12 champion has 2 losses vs. a 2-loss 3rd place SEC or B1G team who is stronger, played a much harder schedule and is ranked higher.  But I could see reserving a semi-AQ if the Big12, PAC-whatever or ACC champ is top-15 or top-20 or passes some additional bar.  In a 12 team playoff, 2-4 of those AQs seems ok and the rest based in ranking.

    Now the stuff we might not agree on:

    • There are only about 5-6 programs in any given year that have the ability to actually win the playoff.  They aren't BYU, Baylor, Cincinnati, Ok State or even mid-tier B1G or SEC programs.  It's currently Alabama, OSU, Clemson, Georgia and maybe 1-2 others.  In the 4-team CFP a smaller program might have the "puncher's chance" but it's like 5%.  Cincinnati was the best example of the past 15 years, and they wilted.  So no, those programs currently don't have a chance to win the championship, nor should that be  their measurement of success.  Competing for a conference title, beating their rival, and upsetting a blue blood (and before you say it, YES I'm aware of the irony of this statement considering the relative success of teams like ISU, Baylor, and OkState vs. Texas in the past decade).  It's the illusion of access to the playoff and the dream we're talking about preserving, not the reality.
    • This gets even harder in the expanded CFP because now instead of having to beat 2 great teams to win, you a have to beat 4 of them.  Teams outside the top tier of the new B1G and SEC aren't built for that.  Good coaching can't overcome that.  You need to stack top 5 recruiting classes, probably top 3 year over year over year AND have good coaching AND have good development AND the right facilities AND proper NIL support AND demonstrated success of putting athletes in the NFL.  Only a handful of teams have all of that.  In the coming years, the only ones who will have all of that are the top of the B1G and SEC which is basically true today with the possible exception of Clemson.
    • IF what you're claiming about smaller fanbases losing interest due to lack of access to a "clear path to a national championship" (direct quote from above) were true...we'd already be seeing it for the past decades.  Because those teams don't have a clear path to a national championship as things stand today.
    • You might say viewership is down, but it's down overall for everything.  Live sports and CFP pull big shares relative to everything else.  Especially the marquee matchups between blue bloods.  Those 4M+ viewership games are what is driving the realignment, going to 9 conference games in the SEC, etc - creating more of that inventory.  

    The butthurt here seems driven more by programs seeing their market value highlighted and codification of the status quo vs. something new.  There's still the Vanderbilt and Indiana issue but no system is perfect, we're not building it from a clean sheet.  I feel for the ISUs of the world who will take a revenue haircut. But they probably shouldn't have had the higher revenues to begin with.

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  9. 3 hours ago, Trojan Man said:

    I have some apprehension about this.  Super conferences will lead to more losses for programs that demand better because they play each other more often.  Lets say Texas or Oklahoma plays the five straight games you just outlined to open SEC play and they go 1-4 or 2-3 in them.  How much hype is left around their season?  Do you feel better about that than if you opened Big 12 play 5-0 or 4-1?  Will 7-4 OU playing 6-5 Arkansas in a forced rivalry during rivalry week be a bigger deal than Bedlam was last year between a pair of top 10, 10-1 teams?  I watched every play of that Bedlam game but I wouldn't tune in for a snap of that hypothetical so-so OU/Arkansas game.

    The teams that win will kill it in ratings, but there will be far fewer fucks given about 7 win SEC OU than there have been about 10-12 win Big 12 OU.  And football at the highest level isn't always awesome.  90% of the semifinal games have been complete shit.  Dating back to the BCS more title games than not are terrible.  I know the difference in money between Big 10/SEC and non-Big 10/SEC is forcing everyone who can to join the Big 10/SEC just to keep up but it's hard to convince myself consolidating every big time program into two conferences is healthy for the sport.  There's a reason no pro league puts all their best teams/biggest draws into the same division or two.

    In the Power 2 world, the national champion will have 2+ losses regularly.  Sometimes 3 or more...it's the reality of playing more heavyweight matchups.  Just like the NFL, people will still watch if the matchups are meaningful to the playoff.

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  10. 1 hour ago, FartingDreamer said:

    Those numbers aren't accurate, they are likely based on tv ratings, which isn't a true indicator of fanbase given that many CFB fans watch other games besides those involving their own teams. 

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    Trust me, CFB viewership will go down as those fans of teams being excluded will no longer have the same level of interest they once had.  They're not going to switch allegiances and maintain the same viewership numbers since those fans will simply tune out.  

    This is untrue, they'll watch.  Even if they don't, the fan bases of the Power 2 programs are so massively large in comparison, and the matchups are going to be so much better that every week will be must-see TV when it's TX/Bama, TX/Georgia, TX/FL, TX/OU, TX/Auburn, etc, no one is going to miss that.  And if some G8 fans don't watch, that's fine because it will MORE than be made up for by new fans watching awesome football at the highest college level.

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  11. Forget promotion/relegation.  It will NEVER happen in CFB, ever.  Mandel is an idiot but he nailed it as to why:

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    Is promotion and relegation the way forward? — Nathan J., Whitefish Bay, Wis.

    I’ve been reading The Club, an excellent book about the birth of the Premier League, and the parallels to conference realignment are eerie. Still, I have no idea why people think college sports relegation is remotely realistic.

    If you’re a professional club that gets relegated and suddenly loses tens of millions in league revenue overnight, your insanely rich owner can help cover the gap. Whereas if South Carolina suddenly got relegated from the SEC to the Sun Belt and saw its $50 million conference revenue drop to, say, $15 million — welp, there goes the soccer, tennis, swimming and track teams, not to mention a bunch of layoffs in the athletic department, probably a drastic cutback in health and academic services and firing a whole bunch of coaches and replacing them with cheaper ones.

    Relegation: It’s all fun and games until you remember there are actual humans involved.

     

    52 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

    Stanford.  Vandy.  Perennial middling and lower ranked programs who don't see much of an upside of staying the course. 

    And teams like Texas and Notre Dame who would rather be independent anyway. 

    You set up a league with a structure that people would like and hope to pick off teams from the big leagues.  You also would couldn't have limitless lowest league.

     

     

    Wait, wut?  You think that a Vandy is going to take a tens of millions of dollars cut to AD revenue, likely forcing them to sacrifice multiple non-rev sports for the privilege of playing in a lower league?  In what world does that make sense?  Stanford is not a representative case, they're the only university I know of (maybe Harvard) with such a massive endowment that they don't even care about the money side of sports, and even they were talking about cutting non-rev sports recently too.

  12. 2 hours ago, FartingDreamer said:

    This would be WAY different then the FCS/FBS and SWC splits Fans of those teams (a huge portion of  the CFB fanbase) aren't just going to switch allegiances and start cheering for teams in the B1G or SEC, they're just going tune out.   It will take a nose dive without those fanbases and with it becoming an NFL lite.  

    Yeah and it would be a blip on the radar compared to pulling more fan interest from the top programs

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  13. 13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

    Someone took something Sarkisian said in the press at face value and it is trending towards becoming mantra. I don't, not for a second, believe that Davis isn't coordinating what he's doing with the DL with the rest of the defense. Zero percent chance.

    If only we had a someone on the staff to pull together all of these different defensive coaches, get them aligned around one scheme and working together.  I'm not sure what to call that role.  Defensive Administrator?  Defensive Adviser?  Defensive Supervisor?  ...man, this is TOUGH!

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  14. 31 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    I probably won't.  We already aren't conference mates, IMO.  Even though we technically have a few match ups left, I just kinda don't care that much.  My anger has mostly subsided and I'm just ready to get onto the future.  Oklahoma's last visit to Ames might stir up some feels, but that's different - we have a lot more history there.

    Lots of interesting non-sports related topics on this board.  There are already loads of people here who's rooting interests don't intersect the UTverse at all.

    Maybe I read it wrong, but they seem REALLY attached to playing USC, and if that were off the table (combined with the stupid amount of money they'd get) I think they'd cave. 

    You're alright, Al and have gotten plenty of undeserved shit from people here; if the situations were swapped I'd be pissed too.  I'd be doubly pissed to have done all the "right" things as a program and still get left out as a circumstance of geography or not hooking up with the "correct" conference 100 years ago.

    WRT: ND and the Big10, what would be really interesting is if the Big10 took another 4 out of the west coast like Cal, UW, Oregon and...Stanford.  Now the Big10 would hold 2 of ND's biggest and most important rivals.  Kinda fait accompli at that point.  "Hey ND those are some nice rivalry games you've got there.  It would be a shame if something happened to them."

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  15. 7 minutes ago, touchthemonolith said:

    Yeeeeeeeeah Ketchum saying he "never runs" is the only accurate thing he reported this week.

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    The parody account should 100% quote tweet the real GK account on this one.

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  16. 5 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

    I was in Colorado most of the summer, but my clocks weren't blinking when we got back, so I guess things worked okay while we were gone.

    Overall, the Texas grid works well and is very reliable notwithstanding Winter Storm Uri, which was remarkable not only in how cold it was but how cold it was over such a large area of the state.  And we pay about 25 percent less per kwh than the national average.

    Maybe we should go with the heavily regulated California model and pay more than double per kwh and have brownouts when it's 85 degrees.

    Nice straw man fallacy. NO ONE is suggesting the California model.  That doesn't mean the Texas deregulation model is perfect, as Uri showed.  Our 25% lower rates than the nation have us with a working reserve of  a few percentage points.  The amazing free power of the market, which I am a believer in BTW, can't deal quickly with externalities like the storm.  The way we have it setup with ERCOT actually dis-incentivizes  production investment because the ideal spot for our grid is right on the edge of blackout.  Unfortunately whether you believe in global warming or not, those edge cases are getting less edgy every year.  How many times are you willing to keep rolling the dice? Keep in mind that literally hundreds of people died in Uri as a result of the power failing.  I'm willing to pay more to harden the grid; maybe I'm the exception for that?

    Props to whoever recommended the Disconnect pod upthread - good stuff.

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  17. On 8/11/2022 at 5:44 PM, Hurtlocker said:

    Yeah, the moment the announcement of the move was made all voting rights were negated.    It was added after realignment on the basis that you can't say you're leaving and have a vote on how it is run.

    I believe that TX and OU still have voting rights in the Big12, even on the new members thing.  We just didn't have the votes to block it so why even bother?  If you read the wording of when a school loses their votes its on formal notification of leaving, which IIRC is 18 months written notice.  Assuming a negotiated settlement doesn't show up first, we'll put in written notification of leaving for summer of 2025 in winter of 2023.  Until then, everyone knows the score publicly, but the reason UT and OU spokespeople have been very careful to talk about "remaining a member of the Big12" and "we're fulfilling our obligations as a Big12 member" is  so not to provide lawsuit fodder in the other direction.

    On the sovereign immunity thing, can anyone cite any case regarding conference affiliation where any state institution relied on sovereign immunity to break a GoR unilaterally and without consequence? This seems like the message board realignment Macguffin, the magical answer that will solve all our problems forever!  Except if it's so all powerful and wonderful, why hasn't it been used already?  Why does literally nobody outside of message board randoms talk about it?

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  18. On 8/1/2022 at 1:30 PM, NoRagrets said:

    Agree on that last sentence.  I've been completely unimpressed with everything this team has been doing since the Kawhi debacle.  The defense has been shit for awhile, and a lot of that is on the coaches.  The roster has been absolute shit for awhile now, and that's on the front office.  When this team is in full tank mode, no one is going to go to the games and the team will really struggle financially.  That's the excuse they'll use to pull the trigger and move it to Austin, which is what I think the longer term plan has been for a few years now.

    You really think they'd move the Spurs to Austin?  Is there any real evidence for that beyond message board speculation?  In Austin they'd be trading one small market for another, even if Austin is growing at a faster clip it's still small compared to most of the NBA markets.  Not sure what that move buys them vs. the ill will created by making it.  Plus they'd be going into a city where they aren't the lone wolf anymore, since Austin has UT as the big dog and Austin FC as a successful pro franchise already vs. SA where they can and do bully the city and county as the only game in town.  I just don't see it...Vegas, Seattle maybe, but Austin?

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