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Posts posted by Horn of Gabriel
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Doesn't UNLV have an actual giant slot machine on their sideline that they use for celebrations when they score or get a turnover? This ship between Vegas and college sports has sailed.
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Yeah I’m officially a sicko now
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Is there another sport that has as big a jump from high school to pros as the NFL? Maybe golf? Track and field?
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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:
All he has to say is that he was promised marketing opportunities worth $100K that didn't come through. As imma keeps pointing out, that's how these NIL contracts are written to comply with the rules. He didn't even have a contract here so he can transfer wherever the fuck he wants for any reason he wants.
The issue is that if he frames it that way as to why he's shutting it down it becomes pfp and basically puts a middle finger up to the NCAA. Safer for him to frame the real reason for sitting as something else. AKA lying.
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1 minute ago, JBJ said:
The collective and Sluka / his agent never talked. You can't be bound to a contract because a 3rd party says you'll do something.
I'm going back to my first post on this that NCAA should suspend Sluka 1 year with loss of eligibility. He's admitting to the whole world that he thought he was accepting an improper inducement.
No he didn't. He said "certain representations about opportunities" weren't met. He can just say that they promised him that the offense would be more pass oriented and he wasn't given the ability to showcase his talent, or whatever. If the collectives can say with a straight face that NIL isn't pfp and stand on the legalities of the contract while everyone knows the wink wink part in the background, no reason he can't too.
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49 minutes ago, Masshole Horn said:
I don't see the issue here.
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3 minutes ago, nnm said:
Decent legal analysis in the spoiler. TLDR: A contract doesn't have to be in writing to be enforceable (with some notable exceptions like for the purchase of property, and this is not one of those). If the OC had the capacity to bind the collective, and/or if Sluka reasonably believed that he had the capacity, then the promise is probably enforceable.
There are also other equitable theories that Sluka could take advantage of.
Sluka should find a plaintiff's counsel to take this on. Plenty would be willing to for a 1/3 to 40% contingency.
I guess if he's ready to retire from football? For a potential win of...$60K? He's good enough to go back down to FCS and play again, but that ends when you start suing the school, coaches, or university adjacent entities like the collective.
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3 hours ago, CBHorn said:
Here is how understand NIL works using a real world example:
Back in 1998 and 1999, José Lima was a starting pitcher for the Houston Astros, winning 37 games in two seasons and was selected to the 1999 National League All-Star team. This was so called "Lima Time" rocking and Casa Olé (Fresh today, every day!) signed Lima to a deal in which he appeared in television commercials promoting the fine Mexican cuisine and ambiance offered by the Houston area restaraunt chain. In 2000, José's heat lost its spice and he had a league worst 6.65 ERA and gave up 48 enchiladas. The Astros traded him the following season. Casa Olé paid him to advertise for them based on the idea that his successful pitching would cause fans to choose Case Olé for their fine dining needs and purchase more tacos, burritos, green sauce and the like. Once he was no longer an effective pitcher for the Astros, his value to Casa Ole deteriorated like old queso. His was not paid to play even if his value was derived from his successful play.
In my mind, college sports NIL is the same. Being an athlete creates value but the contract does not require athletic performance. A specific player is valuable to local business seeking an NIL partner while a member of the local team. Once that player disassociates themselves from the local team, then value goes away.
I know this was a post in jest but now re-do this in a world where the Astros and all MLB teams are not allowed to pay players directly, and the only way players can make money is via the deals they can get from businesses in the area and fans of the Astros. Then imagine Lima gets promised $xMM/yr in those deals to come to Houston and then the deals don't deliver. He should still play for "free" because the deal was just for his NIL, right? Because it's not pfp?
The interesting thing in this UNLV example that belies the "not pfp" myth is here we have a player who is clearly NOT getting paid...and as a result they are choosing NOT to play. Kinda seems like he thought it was pfp...
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yep, this is pretty much what happened.
I'm not being obtuse and I'm not living in some naive world where the amount of NIL that a player gets isn't a major factor in their willingness to enroll wherever they are going to get the most money/best deal. I'm just saying very explicitly that no collective or university that plans on wanting to keep their wins is blatantly paying for play.
Yep we are in “violent agreement,” and I think/hope most surly posters understand that the actual contract doesn’t have any pfp statements, or enforcement mechanisms. Posters are looking “beyond the paper of the contract” at the real drivers and seeing the wink wink part. When rev share shows up it will clean much of this up as you say. -
1 minute ago, Texas Wahoo said:
The House settlement would explicitly make NIL from boosters against the rules. All NIL payments over $600 would have to be reported. They could not be paid by boosters or collectives. And the payer would have to prove a legitimate business purpose for each deal. It would push the extra payments back underground into bag deals.
This is the reason the judge did not approve of the settlement. She basically said this looks a lot like a salary cap.
Yep and the reason why NIL as it exists today will co-exist along side "official" university rev-share and NIL. Floor and ceiling.
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1 minute ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:
Gonna be so much fun when pay for play via revenue sharing is a thing and there is a salary cap and everyone goes back to having bagmen meeting players at Mcdonalds to get around the salary cap...
Only it won't. Rev-share will establish the floor. NIL will be the ceiling, via the wink-wink "not pay for play" model we have today.
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@immamac is correct that this particular NIL fail is a clown fiesta. Some of the fails here include:
- Coaches directly negotiating and making promises
- Direct inducement
- Never papering a deal in advance
- Lack of coordination between UNLV collective and team
- Communication fails between coaches, team, agent, and player
- Leaking to the media
- Player/agent potentially trying to renegotiate mid-season
- Player opting out of season to preserve his eligibility (which is his right) for "non-legit reasons" e.g. not getting paid what he thought he'd get paid via NIL - makes him look like a bitch
Also imma's assertion that NIL isn't pay-for-play is strictly, formally, contractually, and legally true as TOF and any NIL-rules compliant entity is papering deals today. It's also total bullshit, because as others pointed out, it's only Texas players or those Texas wants to be players that are getting inked to NIL deals. And if those players don't feel like their commitments by TOF or others aren't met, they aren't going to hire a lawyer to sue TOF; they're going to turn to their #1 leverage: sitting or threatening to transfer, just like X. Worthy did until he got paid off. While the contract is between TOF and player, there is an unnamed 3rd party that everyone knows is actually in there: the team. Imma sitting here shouting at everyone about how stupid we are that this isn't actually PfP makes me think of this:
Also if this isn't pay-for-play, why have I seen imma and ctj on threads talking about Sark's recruiting and how "yes he's a good recruiter, but really we need credit for setting up NIL/TOF/Burnt Ends because without that we wouldn't be getting/retaining the talent." ...wait a sec, I thought these were just general/random brand ambassador deals? Not anything that would induce someone to actually choose Texas? If these are just general name image likeness deals that have nothing to do with choosing Texas, why should anyone consider it having anything to do with recruiting then? Can't have it both ways.
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22 minutes ago, closetojumping said:
This is revisionist. When I showed up on Shaggy and started posting that the staff was lazy and there was an unwarranted boost that happened for recruits when they committed to Texas, almost zero posters were on board with it. I was taunted and negged and told I knew nothing.
When I posted about street agents and told Seastrunk’s aunt that she was full of shit and they were on the take, regular posters still on this site were calling for my banning.
Posters on Shaggy were as asleep at the wheel about where things were going as Mack Brown. Numerous folks were basically crying when I said Gilbert was a bad recruit to bet the farm on. Same for Swoopes over Barrett. Same for Mack Brown just deciding to cancel recruiting in Houston. Or taking a commitment from a guy in a wheelchair who was a 2 star recruit at Lake Travis. Or letting Mac McWhorter just add who he wanted within a 50 miles radius and no further of Austin.
No, posters here and there didn’t have it the whole way. Glad we do now though. Sure.
If only Mack had listened to ctj, we could have avoided all this!
I've mellowed a tiny bit on Mack, I rarely think about him aside from laughing when he does something stupid like allowing 70 points at home to JMU. But the whole "I'll guess I'll just leave then..." "oh wait what you don't want me to? ...okaayyyyy" that shit is 1) dumb and 2) PTSD triggering. He did some variation of that here, too.
He's such a thin-skinned bitch, and the thing is he didn't have to be. If he had retired on-time like he said he would, he'd be venerated at Texas. Instead, he's the coach who won a title but also underachieved massively, and played a big part plunging Texas in the ditch we laid in for 10 years. A lot of that is on us for making several bad hires but the recruiting 8-ball he put us behind was significant on the way out the door.
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48 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:
2. im up for thoughts on creative ways for Texas to steal the latest wave of realignment valor
Didn't you see the articles over the past few months tracing all this realignment happening today back to big mean Texas?
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16 minutes ago, MrBig said:
Mack is close to passing Saban for most wins by a college coach. He only needs 12 or 13 more wins. When Mack realized how close he was, he told UNC he was coming back even if it takes 5 years to get enough wins to pass Saban.
THAT is the level of pettiness we've come to love and expect from FYPM Mack. I'm sure after he stumbles his way into that in another season or two he'll crow all about it as if he and Saban are in the same league. They're not even on the same planet.
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It's going to be funny when the Fever get bounced out of the playoffs Wednesday and then the WNBA viewerships drops 50%+ for the rest of the playoffs. The haters will be out in force.
Wonder if the Fever can bring in some more help for CC in the off season? She's transcendent but even Steph can't carry the Warriors alone. She's also over reliant on the 3-ball and needs to be more of a driving threat to really get to GOAT mode.
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21 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:
What does the endgame look like? If FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, the ACC is the new Big XII without banner programs. They go where? SEC? At what point do the SEC and Big 10 become the new NCAA? Why wouldn't they just become the new Division I? The NCAA already doesn't award the national championship in football, right? Why are bigtime football programs still following NCAA rules? What leverage does the NCAA have in football?
I hate realignment. I liked the old regional conferences. There is an organizational solution that would be better for the athletes and fans, but not as good financially. The best financial solution is what we currently have, with everyone's sole goal of maximizing revenue. Is there any end where all of the schools in the former Power 5 form a new division, the G5 are in a second, lower tier division, and the schools are grouped regionally again?
Edit: I didn't consider enough how much TV/ESPN is pulling the strings here. The last couple of posts made me realize that. If TV/ESPN is driving the train, then they would want better games, which means more good teams in fewer conferences and less cupcake games and uneven matchups to get more interest and eyeballs.
Your post implies that the "old regional conferences" are better for fans. They weren't. The old regional conferences had us playing Baylor, TCU, Houston and Tech. The new arrangement has us playing Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and Arkansas. These are much better competition, better games to watch, and will force Texas to raise their bar. Texas does best when it is challenged, and worst when we rest on our laurels and play Baylor. And all of those are benefits even before we consider the extra money that comes along with going to the SEC.
The end game in the medium term is the Power 2 conferences of Big10 and SEC take more and more playoff spots and squeeze out the ACC, Big12, and G5 down to 1 spot each. That will happen either formally via guaranteed spots, or informally via the committee recognizing the strength of schedule of the P2.
The end-end game in the long term is that the Big10 and SEC probably either merge or create a formal partnership of equals where they build "new" conferences that allow them to drop out the Vandy's and Purdue's, pick up the FSU and Clemsons and consolidate down to a true Power conference of 40ish teams. The playoff will already be at 16 teams by then, and they'll reserve 1-2 spots for the rest of the non Power teams to disarm the anti-trust stuff, but it will essentially be a Power conference playoff at that point. The players will be employees of the universities, and taking a cut of the TV revenues and governed by some type of CBA. The Power conference will set their own rules for paying players beyond that, for recruiting, officiating, everything to replace the NCAA governance. There will be a commissioner of the Power conference who is less powerful than the NFL commissioner but more powerful than the current conference commissioners. They'll try to adopt some type of "salary cap," but that will be resisted by Texas, Georgia, and the big players, but the smaller ones will push for it to create "balance." There will probably be some compromise on that somewhere along the way - but the cat is out of the bag and we're not going back to under-the-table money.
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On 8/21/2024 at 9:11 PM, Dnaguy said:
I thought that was Derka!
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48 points is...uhhhh a lot even if we're healthy. I don't think they score more than 7 and that's a garbage time or turnover score. But are we going to score 55+ ...potentially without QE and Blue? We CAN but will we? I think once Sark gets up by 35 he starts running 3 times in a row, like we saw w/ Trey Owens, gets out of the game without more injuries. What's the use of live reps when the team you're playing is probably not as good as your 3rd string in practice? I rarely bet Texas but here I'd take ULM and the points.
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39 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:ermagherd
that is hilarious
Better version, including the Whataburger logo
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12 minutes ago, futureman said:
I hope this is a surly bit that I haven’t picked up on.
Bro, meme better
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14 minutes ago, South Austin said:
Take that shit to
Cloak Roomthe Daily Texan.Fixed
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Fun trip. I enjoyed their game day experience and keeping it simple. It felt kinda like stepping into a time machine back into the 70's or something before we got super commercial. One thing I have to give them props on: their pre-game hype reel narrated by James Earl Jones was awesome. And a pretty good flex when Darth Vader said: "No one has won as many football games as we have. No one."
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Texas 31
Michigan 20
UM passing yards 163
NCAA FOOTBALL IS BACK MFers
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Yep. People who bitch about "the game is fucking me!" have definitely never watched actual humans play college football. 18-21 year olds do stupid shit and aren't robots and sometimes (gasp!) receivers don't cut off a route when the ball is mid-flight and the DB does, because the DB is facing the QB and the receiver may not be - this is not shocking behavior.
You can bitch about all that, or do what I do, turn the game on Freshman mode and then every play is an actual touchdown and the game-within-the-game becomes "how much can I score?" I think my max so far on default Freshman settings is 138 or so that I put on OU. Of course that was with several pick 6's, onside kicking every time, etc. I had 3 receivers over 300 yards each and Baxter ran for 350. Trey Moore won the Heisman that season with about 70 sacks.
Life is too short - why add extra frustration? Just turn off your brain and enjoy the fun of pounding OU and A&M by 17 touchdowns.