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  1. 1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

    And, yes, whether or not Rudy was providing actual legal services may well be a fact question.  Which raises the question of what interest of the client he was trying to serve.  See, if he says that he was working with Ukrainian officials in order to obtain some benefit that his client wanted....then he's effectively admitted to the crime committed by Trump (illegally obtaining a campaign benefit or personal benefit -- seriously, if he was NOT acting as an agent of the office of president, then the ONLY benefits he could have been trying to get from a foreign power were either to benefit Trump the individual or the Trump campaign, either of which would constitute a crime).

    For you and the others in the legal profession, just how much shit is Rudy in, based just on what's been said and acted upon?  

    He's been around professional politicians for decades, he was in SDNY, he knows ideologues like Bolton are not to be fucked with, because they can't be corrupted as far as dirty politics that they may not agree with (hence the Rudy and Mulvaney drug deal comment).  He knows that a lot of people that don't agree with he and Trump can easily go testify.

    Also, the obsession with the Bidens was dangerous, because if people started asking questions about his (Rudy's) efforts to get the Bidens, as we are seeing playing out, then it exposes his other dealings.  Having done the SDNY thing, he'd know people would eventually starting running down those paper trails.

    I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but given how much, in my non-lawyerly view, that he's fucked up, there has to be something much bigger going on to make all of this other stuff worth him taking these risks.

  2. 17 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

    I know the House can't force the Senate to convict. I just want to confirm that the House is not stalemated by the refusals to testify or otherwise comply with subpoena.

    Would the Senate be comfortable saying such subpoenas can be ignored thus diminishing the oversight power of their own house of Congress? Probably. There are likely so many of them dirty with this Eastern European graft that they mainly just care about avoiding or delaying their own perp walks.

    I want to impeach for the same reason as before. Let's get a list of who stands where.

    I could be wrong, but in this instance, Moscow Mitch cannot stop a Senate vote, and a Senate vote would, once and for all, force the Republicans to put their names down as being okay with this.

  3. 44 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Do you really think so? I just hear a lot of "concern" commentary from Senators. The ones who have spoken at all, for the most part, are senators whose terms run past 2020. John Cornyn doubled down the last I read but I haven't kept up with him since I called his office. If the RNC calls again, some poor phone bank person is going to get an earful. I suppose a lot of courting goes on behind the scenes, but we haven't reached the vote yet and unless that is what they are waiting for, I am not optimistic.

    Cornyn knows he could find himself in a tight race if Trump hurts the Rs and the rural can't come through.  I'm thinking he's decided that he can't win without Trumpkins, and his polling probably shows them bailing on him if he doesn't go down with the ship.

  4. 2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

    While true at the moment, I'm sure Miller has a whole file of pardons drafted up and neatly stowed right between his "Medal of Freedom for miscreants" file and his lifetime supply of personal lube, ready to go at the moment it appears Presidential power will be taken away from Trump.  

    I can see that scenario for some of them, but it is still an admission of guilt, and that’s a problem for Trump.  

  5. 3 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

    While SDNY acts independently, it’s still under the AG. Do you think Barr will allow the DOJ to arrest and indict Trump’s attorney?

    Is Barr willing to throw everything he’s worked for away, in order to protect Rudy and Trump?

    I get his mercenary act, but plenty of mercenary types tend to bail on bosses who are going down 

    And is Barr, Trump, and Rudy willing to roll the dice with the Senate if Barr uses his power to bail Rudy out of trouble?

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  6. 1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

    What is pertinent here today is that Bolton has a worldview that he isn't going to change out of political expediency, like the rest of the GOP.  And he's been at it a long time.  He's been a high-ranking bureaucrat for more than 30 years.

    He knows how to cover his ass.  He knows how to document shit.  And he knows how to leak.  He's not somebody you want to fuck with

    A part of me wonders if he’s been leaking to the press already.  Because he is the person who he is, there’s no way he’s going down because of Trump and Rudy.  

    Hell, I could see him stashing away a ton of documents and emails just for this exact scenario.  

  7. 2 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

    Bonnen is an idiot but was our best bet as speaker until the Dems take over. This is bad news IMO. Just imagine if we have somebody more aligned with empower Texans or Dan Patrick running the house. Straus and Bonnen have been the only somewhat sane voice in leadership.

    A part of me says they aren't stupid to put somebody in who is aligned with Dan Patrick at a time when Trump is hurting the brand and the state is seeing a lot of changes that favor the Dems.

    But then I remember it's the Texas GOP in 2019 we are talking about, and they are that fucking stupid.

  8. 53 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

    There is almost never anything about the Syndicate's criminal enterprise on their front page. Once those stories start showing up there, you'll know Fox is turning on him. 

    Drudge is running them nonstop.

  9. 3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

    What makes you think Trump can't, or won't, pardon Rudy if Trump determines it's something he wants to do?  I understand the obstruction angle, but I guaran-fucking-tee you Trump doesn't.  And no other laws have stopped him in his entire life.  So I'm genuinely curious what makes you think Trump will act differently in this instance?

    Because he has yet to pardon anybody who directly worked for him on the campaign stuff, etc., who is currently facing charges/investigations, or who is in prison?

    Because pardons are literally an admission of guilt?  

    Because Rudy is also in so deep, I suspect that Trump sees him as scapegoat.

  10. 2 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

    Lulz.  The new Godwin's law.

    Trump's Law: As Trump's twitter output during the day grows, or as more people testify in front of the House, the probability of Trump mentioning Hillary or Her Emails approaches 1.

  11. 3 hours ago, CowboyFred said:

    This.  Shaggy before Trump wasn't this much of a shit show.  Cloak Room did have its loonies on both sides but there could still be valid discussions with reasonable talking points.  Posts were more substance and less personal attacks on each other.

    Identity politics are such a fun thing, aren't they?

    I think even during peak Obama, when everybody and their brother seemed to have those HOPE posters,, we didn't have this many people so obsessed with, and  their identities so heavily invested in, Obama being President.  I just can't recall that many who were rabid about it.  

    Granted, I wasn't involved with either major party at that point, so maybe I missed out on it, but I had relatives who were into Obama being President, but they weren't defined by it, or maybe a better word/phrase is consumed with it.  And when Obama fucked up or did something wrong, they were more than willing to get pissed off and make it publicly known that they were pissed off.  My relatives who are into Trump being President, they act as though they have a personal stake, and they feel the need to defend him over everything.

  12. 2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

    Now he’s big into transparency. Let’s see those taxes then. 

     

    He’s pissed that he doesn’t know how to spin their testimony, and that this isn’t allowing his underlings to make sure their stories line up.   

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  13. 1 hour ago, brown water said:

    What you need to understand is Rudy is far more qualified to deal with corruption than Hunter is to deal with oil and gas.  The real problem is compensating people for work beyond their scope of expertise.  

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    Trumpkin: WOW, she makes her dresses out of the drapes, just like us!

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  14. 55 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    Yep, no doubt. 

     

    Rudy ain't gonna fake roll. Rudy and Donald are the two people in this administration who will burn it to the ground in order to escape any punishment. 

    It’s going to be beautiful if all of the Russian stuff coalesces around Rudy.   Trump only hires The Best People.  

    Trump has got to be sweating harder than usual.   He can’t pardon Rudy (and hell, that might be obstruction in and of itself), and Rudy will never spend a day in jail.   

  15. 32 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

     

    Here we were thinking it was going to be the obsession with defeating Biden, and Rick Perry trying to help some friends,  moving the impeachment process way along, and instead it’s going to be Rudy Fuckin’ Giuliani, Cousin Fucker Extraordinaire.

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