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  1. 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

    That’s the best y’all got? Jabs at his breathing and pronunciation?

    Huh. Things must have gone well.

    You’ve been to plenty of his rallies, you know something was wrong today.  

  2. 32 minutes ago, Goredho said:

    Exactly.  Hell, they are not done retaliating for stuxnet.  Before anyone wants to proclaim victory in the middle east, I think important to remember that it is in Iran's best interest to:

    1. Avoid a full-on war with the US that would result in their government being destroyed
    2. Make some visible but relatively benign show of force that allows them to say they did something
    3. Focus the majority of their efforts on less overt attacks that allows them to damage the US while avoiding annihilation

    They carried out #2 and said they are good with that.  That shows they have an understanding of #1.  What remains to be seen is whether #3 comes to pass.  I think basic human nature dictates it will.

    Right now, Iran’s response is overshadowed by them possibly shooting down a civilian airliner.  They have to get their foot off their dick before they can proceed to #3.   

  3. From CNN, sounds like the Murdochs handed down the talking points this morning.

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    After three hours of "Fox & Friends" segments about Iran's missile strikes at Iraqi bases housing US troops, co-host Ainsley Earhardt summed up the show's main message.

    "All the experts are saying they don't think we need to respond now because it looks like they" -- the Iranians -- "are shaking in their boots, they're terrifed of us," she said.

    Indeed, many of the military veterans and other guests on President Trump's favorite morning TV show said the overnight strikes were merely a face-saving move on Iran's part, not a severe escalation in hostilities. America "has superior strength," one guest said. Trump has "restored US effective deterrence in the region," another said.

     

  4. 9 minutes ago, Goredho said:

    Anyone who thinks they know how this has played out three days later is an idiot.  If this ineffectual retaliation by Iran is where it ends, then the President’s risky decision paid off.  Let’s see if he can shut the fuck up and take the win (pussy).

    We won’t really know the effects of this decision for another 12 months, perhaps longer.

    His staff is doing a fantastic job of hiding his phone this morning (And kudos to them for last night).

  5. 4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

     

    His shirt proclaims him to be the Lieutenant Governor not once, but twice.

    Fucking twice.  

    How fucking insecure does that carpetbagger from Maryland have to be, to have a shirt that declares he's the Lt. Governor, twice.

    And it looks black.  Maybe he should have went for brown instead.

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    2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

    Surprising that trump was talked down by pompeo and Esper last night. Perhaps they convinced him there’s no rush in further retaliation and we need to move more people/resources over there.

    Or perhaps there was a message from the Iranians that they missed on purpose but wanted to show they could hit us when they want. And pompeo discusses this as a way out for trump.

    Was it Pompeo and Esper?  Because when it comes to Trump, I'm leaning more towards his campaign and polling people.

    From Pompeo's and Esper's point-of-view, the killing of Soleimani maybe the result of a years-long process with a lot of dots that are connected, where Soleimani was involved with actions that killed Americans (as were the Saudis during their proxy war in Iraq) and he had it coming for a long time.  But Pompeo and Esper did not sell that to the American public, nor did Trump and Fox News, until long after the fact, where it came across as "okay, you caught me with my pants down and my dick in my hand staring in the neighbor's window, but let me explain how I got here, because it wasn't my fault!"

    From a typical American's political perspective, there's just not a lot of dots to connect - some embassy protests that killed no one and basically ended as soon as a 100+ Marines showed up, Trump has an Iranian leader assassinated in Iraq, and putting them in a position where Iran can't sit back and allow its leaders to be assassinated.  This sounds like something Parscale and his folks were probably shitting their pants over.

  7. 9 hours ago, David Dennison said:

    No one on earth is scared of Donald Trump. He's weak.

    Nobody is scared of a 4 year-old either, but give him a loaded firearm with the safety off, and all of the sudden he's a threat to everybody around.  

    Or in Trump's case, give him the ability to launch attacks against other countries with no checks and balances until it's too late.

  8. 9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

    Funny thing, but that's exactly what happened. W is indeed a complete piece of shit. Good family man though.

    I'm sure the families and friends of the 4,500 American troops who were killed in Iraq, and the 32,000 troops who were wounded in Iraq and their families are all thinking George W. Bush is a good family man.

    W can burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.  I had friends, both those I served with, and one from high school, who were killed there.  It was ultimately his call to invade or not, and he chose to do so.  They are dead because of him.

     

  9. 6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    You know, given the level of astonishing precision by the mussel hits on the Saudi refinery a few months ago, I wouldn’t be surprised if they shot over ‘dumb’ ballistic missiles over for a reason: show of force for domestic audience while minimizing the risk of casualties.

    Speaking of that refinery, interesting how the Saudi Patriot batteries couldn’t protect it from whatever the Iranians used.   

  10. 22 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

    Various reports on Twitter that Iran has said this it and there will me no more if US doesn't respond. Trump has an offramp. Hope he takes it.

    Judging by his tweet just now, he might.   In my mind, I was imagining that if he had an easy out, he would take it, since his staff knows this wouldn’t be good for elections in November, but I kept wondering if the reason he wasn’t responding was because he was raging over some options given to him in a PowerPoint presentation.  

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