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55 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said: Colt's signature moment should have been the 08 Tech game. Yes, we got in a big hole early but he did eventually bring us back and took the lead at the very end. Unfortunately, Gideon happened soon after. That 3 game stretch of beating OU, Mizzou and Okie State that year was amazing. Not to mention, destroyed aggy to end the season.
And it's a shame after his hard work for 4 years, he didn't even last a drive in the biggest game of his life against Bama. This was before the Bama mystique. Hell, Saban already looked scared early on by going for a ridiculous fake punt early. And of course, Gideon held onto that ball (when he didn't even need to).
Colt was cool, calm and collected. As Derka said, you didn't need to worry about him outside of the sophomore slump season. With Quinn, it was more of a hope and a prayer on if he can make a big play. Go back to that Ohio State game in the playoffs. We tied it up and now driving to take a lead in the 4th. A critical 3rd down came and Quinn failed. We give the ball back and Ohio State takes the lead. 2 straight years Quinn gets inside the red zone in the semifinals and fails miserably and we lose.
Ohio State was begging us to beat them all game long but Quinn being Quinn, couldn't take advantage and our offense was too inconsistent. The story of his career in big games. He's not the only reason we lost but he's a big part. Same goes for the Georgia games that year.
And you hit the nail on the head without realizing it. 08 Tech is how Quinn's career went in big games. Colt did what he needed to do to win against Tech but shit happened out of his control that lost that game. Gideon drops the interception. We let Crabtree score.
2023 We lose 2 games. OU Quinn drives us down for the go ahead score and we should've walked away with a win with only a minute left right? Had that been 09 Texas, Muschamp's defense holds and we all say man that was a clutch drive by Quinn.
Washington, everyone here knows how an end zone fade is supposed to be thrown. High and away. Especially when there is a size difference. Game on the line and the receiver didn't even leave is feet or put his body between the ball, and you are seeing those same "lack of effort" claims in the pros, so miss me with the NFL receiver shit. If that's Collin Johnson or Humphrey does anyone think that ball isn't caught?
The Ohio State game we all blame Quinn for that lost right? It's 14-21 and Quinn drives us all the way down to the 1 fucking yard line. We bring in an inexperienced back and he runs right into the pile instead of taking on the LB 1v1 in the hole. So we rightly bring Wisner back in and then try to toss sweep against Ohio fucking State and lose yardage all the way back to the 9 yard line. We have Cole Hutson at right guard and he gets beat immediately when Sawyer shoots the A gap and Quinn has to throw it away. Then on 4th and goal where we absolutely have to buy enough time to throw it into the end zone we let Jack Sawlyer, Ohio State's best DE, come of the edge completely untouched. I'm not sure what you expected Ewers to do there or what you thought Colt would've done differently.
No one is saying Colt wasn't better than Ewers. What I am saying is y'alls rules are different for who's fault it is based on your "feelings" for said player. You even forget how the games went. Quinn fought back in all those games but defense couldn't get the ball back or we didn't take advantage of opportunities that we did have.
57 minutes ago, scramblyn said: We can blame the defense for Colt (coaching too) but we can’t for Quinn. Colt is a GOAT, but had Quinn had Muschamp as his DC I’m betting we get over that hump and Quinn has one trophy Colt doesn’t.
And that's the thing. No one is saying Colt wasn't great. What I AM saying is Colt needed help just like every other QB. If that is not true 2007 Colt doesn't happen. When Colt was struggling in 09 Muschamp was there to pick him up. We weren't getting 10 penalties a game or giving up game winning drive's to other teams in crunchtime. Colt's lines weren't great but they weren't completely whiffing on blocks in game deciding moments either. Muschamp's defenses bowed up at the end of games and allowed those games to stay close for us to win.
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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said: Every game, every third-down, every must have it moment, he converted. The games he lost were lost on defense on a final play and lost because he got hurt.
And that would be untrue.
Just off the top of my head, Redshirt sophomore year.
21-28 OU with 9.5 left in the 4th. Colt had two possessions to tie the game up and couldn't get it done.
9-17 Nebraska. 12:56 in the 4th quarter and Colt is struggling 11-27 169 and an INT. From that point on we would throw one more pass. Luckily we had Charles, who would rush for 216 yards in the quarter and single handily win the game for us. Colt had zero TDs passing or running and was 43% passing.
21-41 Kansas St. The blowout wasn't a failure on defense as KSU only had 272 total yards and 2 TDs on Offense. No, Colt threw 4 interceptions in that game including a pick 6. Special teams was a shitshow too.
2009 Nebraska. NU had 4 field goals, 3 of which were directly due to Colt's 3 interceptions. 2 of which they didn't even get a 1st down. Nebraska then kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff and then a horse collar call on the short crossing route. Those two things put us in field goal range. Then Colt almost lost the game with the throw out of bounds.
I mean, I could go on but my point is he had a lot of help. Some games he played down right awful but we still won whether it was special teams, Charles, or defense. But it's funny when we look back at 2023 OU, Quinn drove us down and we scored what should've been the game winner with only a minute left and PK's D let OU drive the field and score. Then we let Penix throw for 430 yards in the Semis. We don't look at those games as "the defense failed us", no we look at those games as "Quinn couldn't get it done". In my personal opinion when we were in a dogfight during Colt's last two years Muschamp's D would usually bow up and give us a chance. Meanwhile PK's D let Gabriel march the field in a minute. Let Penix throw for 430. Let Georgia score 30. Let a freshman QB for Georgia score 19 in the second half while only throwing for 70 yards. Let Ohio State get a 80 screen pass with like 30 seconds to go before half. If they woulda stood tall Like Muschamp's D, we woulda won some of those games. They even gave Squints a legit chance to beat Bama.
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1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said: In the year Colt was drafted into the NFL, 5 of the first 6 draft picks were Big 12 players.
26 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: How many more teams did the SEC have total those years?
Brothers. Are we seriously trying to argue about the SEC's DL, OL, and LB play? This is getting silly. Miss St has perennially been one of the shittiest programs in the SEC, but if we played them in 09 Fletcher Cox would be on their D-line. All American, 15th pick overall, and 6 time probowler Fletcher fucking Cox. You know, another Marcel Darius. They also had Jamar Chaney LB, Chris White LB, Pernell McFee DL, and KJ Wright LB, on that defense too. All drafted. And they were 5-7, and 3-5 in conference.
I'm not exactly sure why there is an argument. The SEC is across all the slave states and therefore has NFL talent at its doorstep. Back in the 80's a lot of that talent was going to HBCU's but once that stopped they became the main supplier of big, fast black dudes. The big12 had a few teams that could compete like us, OU, Nebraska, and aggy, but by and large, as a conference, we just didn't have the trench play. We def had the skill players though. My point is even the terrible SEC teams(cept Vandy) had dudes in the trenches and Colt wasn't leading the team in rushing as a QB at his size without getting hurt.
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2 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:
That was so satisfying to watch. And then the fit they pitched at the end. In moments of agony and despair I reflect on that and it warms my spirit.Yeah, to hold a team to 100 yards of total offense while your own team"s offense isn't contributing to that by being able to even remotely hold the ball for any significant time is one of the more amazing defensive feats I've ever seen. They had 5 fucking first downs. 5!!!
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This was my original statement
"Colt is better than Ewers but come on. Colt did that(lead the team in rushing) against a Big12 schedule my guy. Colt isn't leading the team in rushing vs an SEC schedule and coming out healthy. I'm not saying the SEC is all that, but they ARE more physical in the trenches."
To which Jkwellborn said this-
"Man, when Colt was doing that, the Big 12 was the premier conference in the country. Just because the SEC was still playing football from 1950 doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have done similar."
To which I said-
"Yes. The SEC was not progressive offensively in 2009 but the trench play was still miles above the Big12. We learned that in the 1st quarter of the National Championship game. The SEC had 144 players drafted from 2010-2012. The Big12 had 85 over the same time frame, with most of those being skill players. Look into it."
We were talking about whether or not Colt could lead the team in rushing against an SEC schedule. We weren't talking about a single game. So I am not sure why you chose to comment the way you did.
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53 minutes ago, Dahobbs said: Watching Colt play? It is literally just a description of how I felt watching the games vs how I felt watching Quinn play. I liked Quinn a lot. But, for whatever reason, I never had the confidence that he would make the play when it needed to be made. I felt like Colt always would. To be fair to Quinn, I got to watch Colt for 4 full years and the extreme confidence didn't happen until his third full season. Quinn played 3 seasons, but missed 4, 2, and 3 games for each season respectively. And he probably should have missed 5 games in 2024 because you can't convince me he was physically ready to play against OU or Georgia.
That's not what I meant. I am asking what games where Colt threw a TD to win it or drove us down to win the game and close a team out gave you that confidence. I can remember one. 08 Ohio State. I cannot remember another.
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3 hours ago, Dahobbs said: This is all true (although I think the late 2000s Big 12 was pretty comparable to the SEC overall). The big difference between the two for me was Colt's clutchness. I always felt he was going to make the play to win the game. For Quinn, I always hoped that he would. As an example, if you give Colt 4 plays from the 12 yard-line to beat Washington State and reach the finals, I'm very confident he'll do it 9/10 times. For Quinn, that percentage would be more like 5/10.
And you feel like that based on what?
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8 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: Man, when Colt was doing that, the Big 12 was the premier conference in the country. Just because the SEC was still playing football from 1950 doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have done similar.
Yes. The SEC was not progressive offensively in 2009 but the trench play was still miles above the Big12. We learned that in the 1st quarter of the National Championship game. The SEC had 144 players drafted from 2010-2012. The Big12 had 85 over the same time frame, with most of those being skill players. Look into it.
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19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said: I don't think I disagree with any of this, although things like the o-line struggles were true this year to a much more significant degree than last year. That doesn't change my opinion that the primary thing that held him back during his time here was injuries. When he wasn't injured, he was very productive.
My point was the issues are systemic. I agree that they were to a much bigger degree this year, but any degree should be addressed and is hurting the team.
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38 minutes ago, scramblyn said: can be both and, not either or, again false dichotomies and shit. QE self sacked, he was injury prone, he threw off his back foot, and play calling was at times atrocious, pass pro broke down in big games, run game non existent. it's like the shit that made us fucking insane this year just magically showed up with arch. doesn't fucking matter. this is just the internet.
1 hour ago, Derka said: you know what, a lot of qbs have to deal with all of this and then some, and the great ones still find ways to make plays and lead their teams to trademark wins. colt was in a far worse situation in 2008 and 2009 and yet he led us to countless trademark victories and was a two time heisman runner up (him not winning in 2008 was bullshit). he had a pathetic o line, he had no run game, he was the team’s leading rusher, he had nowhere near the nfl talent surrounding him that QE had, had no TE, had freaking greg davis and mack “scares you to death” brown running his offense, and yet all he did was lead us to victory after victory against the toughest schedule in america and did so as the most accurate passer in history. that’s what the actual greats do, even when they’re running for their lives every play and have zero run game to help them out.
that’s always been the problem with this site/fanbase and quinn- y’all want to act like he’s colt mccoy when he didn’t do no colt mccoy shit. and then y’all always want to blame everyone else as to why that’s the case, when the reality of it is that for his last two years as a starter quinn ewers was in the best qb situation in america, yet he routinely failed to live up to the level of play of his teammates, both on offense and especially on defense. after the win vs bama in tuscaloosa there really weren’t any signature quinn ewers wins that i can remember (don’t even try to bring up ASU), despite all of the talent around him and him qb’ing the favored team every single time out. quinn let his coaches and teammates down way more than vice versa. you add to that the inexplicable adoration and exaltation of quinn from this fanbase, and you have one divisive player who is going to be the topic of discussion for a very long time.
Colt is better than Ewers but come on. Colt did that against a Big12 schedule my guy. Colt isn't leading the team in rushing vs an SEC schedule and coming out healthy. I'm not saying the SEC is all that, but they ARE more physical in the trenches. 2024 Ewers lost to Georgia and Ohio State, both more talented teams than Texas. Where are these lesser teams that Ewers lost to? Where are these superior teams Colt was beating? 2008 Ohio State was the only one. There isn't this chasm between the two like you are making it out to be. You make it like Colt did it by himself. Guys made plays around him. 08 OU, we picked off two passes, and had a return for a TD. Og had 15 carries for 130. Cody Johnson had 3 rushing TDs. In 09 Muschamp's D held OU to 13 points, picking him off twice. In the Big12 Championship game Colt threw 3 picks and got sacked 9 times. Muschamp's D turned NU over 3 times and held them to 12 points. We only had to score 13. We were held to 202 total yards but Muschamp's defense held them to 106 total yards. Let me repeat that for you. 106 total yards bro.
Colt had a lot of timely help.
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38 minutes ago, Dahobbs said: What does this season have to do with Ewers? Ewers was barely functional for the first Georgia game last year. And Georgia knows how to completely take apart our offensive line rules. We should have beat Georgia in the SEC championship if not for drops, a missed block on an INT, and failing to adjust to QB run in the second half. Sark let him down in not having a true maximizing running back or run blocking offensive line to help in the redzone. I agree with that. But I also think the play calling that works between the 20s doesn't work as well in the redzone, so I'm not surprised we changed it up there. There are certainly things Sark could have done better, particularly with personnel decisions. But I think the primary limitation on Ewers' time here was his injuries, not Sark. Ewers clearly couldn't put 100% behind his throws the second half of the season. It would have really helped if he could have.
The same issues we had last year we had this year. Playcalling, O-line whiffs, drops, inability to run the football, and timely penalties. Two RZ trips in the GA game were stalled by a Bond offensive PI and a hold on an outside run. We missed two field goals too. We had a dropped TD and 4 other drops. The QB threw for 358. As a matter of fact the QB outplayed the other team's QB in every game we lost in 2024. Had we done something about the mental mistakes and not try to call fake double screens in the red zone maybe we win that game. Even the offense we ran was a bad fit for Ewers. He is a spread concept guy. Holding the ball forever isn't his game so get it out of his hands quickly.
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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said: OL and run game are about the only components I’d blame on Sark. And some of the OL was attributable to Ewers sacking himself and having happy feet.
I’m not sure I’d attribute footwork to Sark since at the end of the day, the player has to execute it in games. We don’t know whether he got coaching on that or not. Sark called plays to Ewers strengths, which we obviously saw in the change of playcalling to Arch, so I think that’s bullshit.
At the end of the day, Ewers is an extremely talented QB physically with some issues between the ears, but we’re all cheering for him. Except Derka. Also, let’s not pretend the OL for the dolphins isn’t dog shit, so the OL concerns ring hollow to me. Achane is a stud despite the weak OL, and if you disagree Tua’s mush brain would like a word.
1 hour ago, Codaxx said: This is a bit overboard. Texas was a good pass blocking unit last year. Quinn was never hurting for targets at Texas. Just look at the skill position players Quinn had at Texas:
Bijan, Rojo, Brooks, and Blue were all drafted.
Worthy, Whittingham, Mitchell, and Golden at WR
Helm and Sanders all drafted.
Reason people loved Quinn going to Miami was it was a great fit for Quinn. Lot of quick passing and a smart OC that schemes up a lot of quick open looks. I am not sure what Sark should have done other than surround him with a better run game (that is on Flood and Ill beat that drum this offseason). Sark went to a short, rhythm passing game with Quinn. We all know Quinn is good when you can keep him on schedule. It his ability to stay in control when things break down that will make or break his NFL career.
1 hour ago, Dahobbs said: Yeah, I agree with this. I don't think Sark wasted Quinn. I think he did what he could to maximize Quinn. Ultimately, the injury bug got Quinn and prevented him from reaching his ceiling here. Quinn had elite traits in effortless arm talent, great touch, and quick decision making. Those shined when he played well. He didn't have great pocket awareness when he had to hold the ball. And I think the injuries and playing hurt caused him to hold the ball more often than he would have otherwise. I think the injuries also contributed to some of the bad floaters we saw him from him at times. I think his main limiter at Miami will be same as here: ability to stay healthy.
You guys really watched this season and still don't see how Sark let Ewers down? Double throw back screens in the red zone? 12 personnel with Juan Davis as your second TE, basically conceding the possibility of another receiver? Back to the field, slow developing play action? Not addressing the run game which would fail you in big games over and over? Busted protections and penalties from the same player on the right side of the line but never addressing it?
Question? Will a route develop quicker from a spread look or from a compact set? If you come to the correct answer why were we running so much of it?
12 personnel is to run the football. Period. If you cannot run the football why the fuck are you lining up in it? In 2023 it made sense because you had two receiving TEs and you could still spread the field from it, but when you only have 1? The fuck are we doing? Yet we ran more 12 in 2024 than 2023.
Go look at the opening script for the SEC Championship. Wide open and slinging it. After 1.5 quarters Ewers has I wanna say 160-70 yards. We drop a TD pass and get a couple RZ penalties or else its 14-nil. Then what does Sark do? Goes back to his clunky offense and grinds away until the 4th quarter when he has to score again.
Are we really are still here, with the advantages of hindsight, still expecting Ewers to win those Georgia and Ohio State games without a running game?
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12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: So you signed up on September 11, 2025 with your first handle yet you recall Derka's crusades against Sam and Quinn? Make that math work for me, Rex.
Yeah, that's pretty much bs. Dude just signed up but just happens to know about Derka's opinions from years ago. I've argued with @Derka more than most, but I respect him, which is why we only argue on the topic of QBs. I don't think I've ever even negged the dude. Some dudes follow Derka around wherever he posts antagonizing him. Including creating new handles to do so. Weirdos.
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Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet, Now Starting for the Miami Dolphins
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It's not about being statistically good it's when you are good. The 09 defense was great when it needed to be. 3 interception 9 sack game for Colt where he turned it over repeatedly backed up against the end zone and Muschamp didn't allow a 1st down. Struggling moving the ball on OU, Muschamp held them to 13 points. Colt also had 12 interception in 09 and regardless the D held up.
This is the exact reason why PK got dropped in favor of Muschamp. When we played Georgia, they were also turning the ball over and struggling but their defense held serve and that's why we lost. Again, that held true this yeard AND last year. PK's D while good, wasn't that great when it had to be. Gave up the drive to Gabriel and OU. Let Penix throw for 430. Gave up drives late to Georgia twice last year, and gave up 30 this year.