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Everything posted by Thatguy
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That wasn't 2.0
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Whether we run Inside Zone or Outside Zone, when we play the smaller, quicker fronts their players seem to beat us to our spots. So for example with inside zone the linemen fire off the ball and depending where the D-line is lined up the linemen have certain assignments. There are usually more blockers than D-linemen. So for example there is a defensive tackle between the center and guard. At snap both the center and guard will fire off the ball and combo block the DT. Then the guard will leave the center solo and continue on to the second level to get hands on a linebacker. Now this is all determined by what type of front you are faced with. Sometimes the guard will be left to handle the DT while the center moves on to the second level. Anywho, when we try to run it a few different things happen. Sometimes the linemen are slow getting to the second level and end up whiffing on the guy they needed to block, who shoots past them and blows the play up at the line of scrimmage. Sometimes the guard who is left 1v1 with a DT gets overpowered and pushed into the backfield causing the RB to have to stop his momentum and reroute, which gives the other defenders time to rally to the ball. So then what has to happen is the line has to maintain the doubleteam which allows the LBs to roam free and just scrape over the top of the play and meet the back wherever they are going. If you just take some plays and watch the line its like Keystone cops. On any given play linemen are missing blocks, falling down, or just getting bullied backwards. Been going on for years now. So let me give you an example below. We are going to run a variation of Inside Zone called Split Zone. In Split Zone the H back or Tight end fires across the formation to cut off the backside pursuit creating a natural cutback lane. Below is how it should be blocked vs the 5 man front Florida is in. You can see the TE at the top of the screen is supposed to come across the formation and kick out the backside DE. The OT has the DE. The LG has the DT in his B gap. The Center and RG are supposed to combo block the NT with the center trying to reach the playside LB. Then the RT and other TE combo block the DT in the C gap and then work their way to the OLB. But here is what actually happens below. The TE tiptoes his way across the formation and blocks the backside DE, but because he was slow there is no cutback alley to run through. He needs to fly across with some aggression and a sense of urgency. OT has his man handled. Surprisingly so does the LG. Here is where it gets bad. The Center/RG are struggling with the NT and never come off him to get to the playside LB. The RT/TE combo is having communication errors. They fire off to doubleteam. The TE appears to be pushing him across the face of his RT, helping the defender into the backfield. Meanwhile the two LBs are just sitting there on the hole sipping a cup of joe waiting. Nobody has touched them. A comedy of errors. No one ever really came off a doubleteam, and we don't have breaking arm tackles, make your own yards kind of backs. So play gets a yard or two. IZ.mp4 Keystone cops. There are way worse but I'm lazy. There are many great run schemes out there. Gus Mahlzan comes to mind. But they recruit for their philosophy.
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Georgia had probably the fastest front 7 last year. They did that to pretty much everyone.
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I hear that, but not many teams have athletic O-lines and they still get it done. You know how hard it is to run for only 15 to 30 yards? We've done that shit multiple times over the last couple years. It's not just big and slow. Some of it is scheme. Some of it is playcalling. Some of it is size and ability of the RBs. Last year we pretty much ran on any team that was big up front like us. If you were small and quick we struggled. This year started out the same. Even without Arch's yards, we ran for 128 yards at 4.7 a pop on OSU. Big on big we seem to be solid, but then the Florida game happened. We were supposed to be able to run on them like we did last year to the tune of 31 for 210. Ugh
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No disrespect but Williams was a turnstile. I was happy to see him go.
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Since Sark has been here its been a problem. I will be honest for a minute here. I've been talking shit on this thread to a few people who were very loud last year. However, the reality is that we've sucked in the interior in the Sark era. Bijan and Rojo made their own yards. Brooks was good at that too. In pass pro the LG has been an issue for a long time too. Last year whenever we played quality fronts we couldn't get a push at all. Even Arizona St was stoning us up front, and blowing up our OZ with penetration. I'm beyond baffled because it's carried over so many different dudes. It simply hasn't mattered who we've put there the problems have persisted.
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As a person that lived not to far away from Westwood. Correct.
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Agreed. If I am remembering correctly, the run wasn't supposed to pop outside(?), and you know how that goes. He just needs to know to let go when the defender turns to pursue. I will take a couple of those over barely touched A-gap rushers all game. In fact, put Baker at LG and he gets two holds per game as long as nothing else gets through. Lol.
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Baker wasn't what was killing us the most. The LG/C combo plus we kept allowing Florida to get a DE on our 195lb backs in pass pro. We could've made hay running off the edge on passing downs simply taking advantage of Florida's lack of gap integrity.
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To be fair, the defense got pushed around against Florida on the ground last year too. And before anyone says it was late in the game, they rushed for 80 yards by halftime, and another 80 in the 3rd quarter. So I wouldn't give up on the defense just yet. Florida's O-line, in combination with the patience of their RBs might just be something unique that we struggle with. Not to say our interior in elite, but I think it's better than they showed this week.
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Yep. Makes sense huh?
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And yet that talentless, immobile quarterback put up 5 TDs on Florida. Meanwhile in Arch's best game, vs MSU, it was 14-6 with 16 seconds left to go in the 3rd quarter. This is the same MSU that Toledo put up 41, and Pig put up 58. They didn't win a single game in conference, and only two games last season. This is rich coming from you. Lol. Anyone remember this Derka posted below? I do. Check the date. November 12, 2022. Three and a half months in, Derka was dragging his nuts across this dude's face about not only how he played football, but the socioeconomic level this kid was born into. Meanwhile, don't suggest Arch should be further along than he is after getting 2nd string reps for two and a half years. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Not sure if y'all were paying attention, but Florida did the exact same thing to us last year. They ran for over 200 yards last year despite being down big the entire game.
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zero anything really about football. all vibes and feelings.
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Anytime I find my opinion in opposition with Derka about football, I know I am on the correct track. Everyone here knows the O-line sucks Derka. What I am saying is Arch is making it worse. I give you, granted sometimes rushed, but legit football takes. You are in here with feelings and vibes. No factual anything. I have respect for guys like Codaxx and others. We may arrive at different opinions, but at least I know they can see the game. And NOBODY said QE was a 10/10. I simply KNEW he was better than Arch, not as bad as you said he was, and our best option last year. Move the goalposts some more.
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Exactly. Its not rocket science.
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We looked like this vs Ohio State, and both Georgia games last year. This is the first time we haven't been able to pass pro this year.
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What? No good QB goes through all his progressions on every play. None. That's ridiculous to even say that. Good QBs know the highest probabilities based on the coverage. Then you adjust once you take the snap. You don't have 4 seconds every play to go through reads. As soon as you snap the ball and the coverage starts rolling, you should know where to go with the football. Getting the ball out quick is a huge part of the job.
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I've been pretty quiet about Arch to this point so stop it. I think Arch will work himself out of this in the long run, but we all have reason to have some remarks as we have lost to the only two P4 teams we've played. Dude. Seriously? We are really doing this? Every play you drop back you CANNOT be targeting the deepest routes. You have to adjust to what is happening on the field. Just give me 4 checkdowns. And I agree coach isn't adjusting. That's been the case since he has been here. We could be running much easier routes for our QBs. You know that.
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I have adobe pro premiere so I clip it there and drop it here. Simple.
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So wait a minute. You are a QB playing in a game where the opponent is getting home with regularity and you don't mentally adjust? And I am the one trying too hard? If you know your line isn't holding up and you STILL are holding onto the football then you are a dumb football player. The secret to getting a team's pass rush to back off is three fold. 1)Run the football 2)Screen the shit out of them 3)Burn them by finding your hot and picking up chunk yardage. If you aren't doing those things with 35 pressures what are we doing here?
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Again, count one thousands. If you can get to three there was plenty of time. All last season we had this same shit going on from the exact same position but it was the QB's fault. Has to recognize you guys said. Now all the sudden the QB has no time? Come on Codaxx. Not only does he not get it out the first time, but he steps past the pass rush and still doesn't see it.
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Correct on the screen. However, on the first one he has to recognize blitz and look to get the ball out. There was plenty of time. 3 one thousand.
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continued............. 2nd and 9. Florida brings 5 but Sark gives you Dmo as an outlet in the flat with the closest man 10 yards from him. Again, as a QB it is your responsibility to recognize blitz and understand you do not have time to hold this ball. If you put the ball on 0 he is 1v1 in the open field. You gotta like your chances there. 3.mp4 1st and 10. Florida brings 5 and the rb slips out into the flat. You dump it to him here and he is running for 30 yards. 4.mp4 3rd and 9 here. We get whipped up front but Sark has a man beater called at the top of the screen. Inside receiver runs a rub route disguised as a fade. Outside receiver sits down at the sticks and is wide open. You throw this on time and the pass rush never gets to you. 5.mp4 2nd and 10. We ran this same throwback screen with Wisner last year vs Florida and I believe we either scored or came close. We had an alley set up but the inaccuracy of this ball threw the timing off. 6.mp4 2nd and 10. Florida runs a Fire Zone Blitz here, bringing 5 and dropping into zone behind it. Up top you have a curl where he sits right down and gives you a nice window to throw into. Lagway, of all people, made this same throw against us earlier in the game. 7.mp4 This is what I am saying he is holding the ball too long. When a team is bringing extra people you cannot be staring 30 yards downfield. You have to know to get the ball out and where to go. Arch doesn't.
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You know you are my boy Hobbes but come on. You are one of the smarter guys on the board. We went from being last in air yards to first. So common sense would say the guy throwing the short routes isn't going to see as much pressure and the guy holding the ball. However, since all the back and forth between all of us is he said/he said, lets take a look at the video. 2nd and 6 here. As a QB it is your responsibility to see the blitz and adjust accordingly. Florida brings 5 so you have to understand that the ball has to come out. Your TE releases and has a good step on the LB. If you put in on him he has a good chance of picking up the first or at least getting you to a 3rd and 1 or 2. However, you hold the ball for 3 one thousand. Then when you take off you draw the defender closest to the LB. If you dump it off he runs for 20+. 1.mp4 2nd and 10 here. Florida dials up a simulated pressure where they drop out the Boundary DE and bring the field side OLB. That should cue Arch that the RB in the flat is an attractive target. If he lets it go the back gets 5 yards, or more if he can make the DB miss. Instead Arch holds it and takes an unecessary hit delivering it to the TE crosser, who gets folded as soon as he catches it. 2.mp4
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