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  1. Again with this shit. It's not a 5th fucking read. Where do you guys come off with this shit? You read where to go based on the coverage and the situation Codexx.You are 5 wide. You have trips to the field with 4 defenders. You have twins to the boundary with 3. The two verticals are going to take both safeties. So now what do you have left? A pick to your left and an out to your right. A QB should know where to go. The route is a quick hitter just short of the sticks with a pick. If the ball is there on time he can get the couple yards to get the first. You guys and your 5th read shit is getting infuriating. If you read every long route first, you would never get to any short route as they would all be complete by the time you cycled to them. This pick route is built into this play for a reason. It's expected to use it. Again, if we were looking at this we would already be throwing it. Wingo is intentionally running at the defender responsible for the stick route. So if that defender wants to recover he has to get through Wingo. You can see it from here. Ball should be coming out and the DB would have to get through Wingo. This is well designed to get you a chance to pick up the play. Again, the DB responsible for the stick route is 5 yards off the man with Wingo crossing his face. The two talking heads, who noticed what was available on the play prior, are being disingenuous here. Most experienced QBs would make this throw and we wouldn't even think twice about it. Every week. All around the country. There are 3rd down plays where two of the receivers are running deep routes and the QB takes the snap and immediately fires on the underneath route. You guys act like its asking a lot. It's called a pre-snap read, and it's not illegal or weird to do.
  2. This is why I dislike talking heads sometimes. The play at the 10:30 mark where they go 5 wide. He is criticizing fans for saying get rid of the football and telling us how if he threw it that it would get picked off. Then Ian is talking about how it would be a really long throw. Meanwhile they are on the left hash, and the two receivers to the boundary are going to run a pick. The outside receiver runs a stick route and the inside runs a corner route picking his man. The stick route is wide open if Arch just hits him on his break. Ball would be out before the rush got home. I know these guys see that. I don't believe talking heads are always honest. I have seen text messages of them getting scolded by coaches, university officials, and players families and told to clean up their "opinions" the next show. They need to keep their access. Again, this does not take away from the fact that the offensive line is atrocious. Just be honest in your criticism. The very play before they were honest when they said Arch could've hit the pick across the middle, but that was on a play where Arch was already successful. It feels a lot like some calls were made from some officials to say back off our boy. I honestly think Arch will eventually figure it out, but the 180 from all the usual suspects in a single game is a bit curious. Film Guy even made it a point to say he has no connections. OK buddy. You got the All 22 as soon as the game was over but no connections.
  3. The NFL is hot opinions and measurables my dude. Lets remember Jamarcus Russell was the 1st pick overall and Tom GOAT Brady almost didn't make the league. Also, you think his best year was his freshman year? Ridiculous. Literally zero statistics back that up. Lol
  4. You know what? The Oline sucks. The dude running the Oline sucks. The coach allowing the dude running the Oline to suck also sucks. The scout team responsible for simulating the opponent so the Oline can be prepared sucks. The grad assistant responsible for cutting up the tape for the Oline to study sucks. Arch will figure out a way to stop sucking here pretty soon. You wanna know why? His uncles aren't going to let him besmirch the family name. They were pretty hands off but they are going to be breaking down film with him the rest of the season I bet. I expect a miraculous turnaround.
  5. National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks.
  6. My cut ups? Anyway, I am going to move away from the Florida game for a bit because it looks like the lack of protection from that game is clouding up my point. Which was Arch isn't seeing the field. The play I was talking about was this one. We get to it from many different formation but essentially the slot guy runs a deep post and then they bring a dig underneath. Everyone keeps saying the problem is you are reading long to short and that forces you to hold the ball but that just isn't true. When you walk up to the line the coverage already kinda tells you what to look for. So for this play you are reading the safety's reaction, and it doesn't take that long to get it. If the safety starts backpedaling for the post we immediately throw the dig. If the safety stays flat we look for the post. Now here is the same play in the same game. Watch how each QB handles it. This is Manning vs Georgia last year. If you are reading that safety you know immediately after the snap that the dig will be available. Manning Georgia.mp4 Now here is Quinn in the same game vs the same defense running the same play. Quinn recognizes the safety bailing and hit the underneath dig accordingly. Quinn Georgia.mp4 Let's fast forward to this year vs Ohio State. We run the same play. At the snap they roll to what looks to be Cover 3 with the safety digging for depth. So you should know immediately to look for that dig. Especially with the field side corner squatting, and looking for work in the flat. If Manning hits that dig when his back foot hits his drop it would be perfect, but instead he stares down the post, hops forward another two steps, and then lets it go. Manning Ohio State.mp4 Now lastly this is Caldwell. It's hard to see the field because they cut to the penalty but you can see the slot runs off the safety. Caldwell gives it a quick peek. Hid cue tells him to look for the dig, and he throws it on the break. Caldwell Florida.mp4 The point is that just because there is a set structure to how you read plays, like long to short. It doesn't mean that's a hard rule or that we should be standing back there looking at the play for 3 or 4 seconds. Almost all plays have a deep option, but the read can be made to come off it really quickly like this play here. Arch just doesn't do that. This what I mean when I say he gets himself in trouble. We run this play every game and I have never seen him hit this dig.
  7. I guess when I say no one, I mean the people participating in the discussion. Touche on that though.
  8. Lol. No one is saying dude is a flop. All we are saying is dude holds the ball too long and needs find his shorter routes. It's not that serious.
  9. Geezus Codaxx. This isn't a single game data set. This goes back to last year. It's like y'all forgot what you've seen to this point. The post play Manning threw into double coverage vs Ohio State is the same play Caldwell threw for the first down vs Florida. The difference is Caldwell saw the safety run with the post and immediately came back to the dig and hit him on time on his break. And that play is the same play that was 3rd down on the first series of last year's RRS. Quinn also targeted the dig underneath. Not sure I've ever seen Arch throw the underneath on that play. We all know the offensive line was shit vs Florida but even when he's had time it's been the same shit. We don't run RPOs and screens as frequently and I see why. We aren't reading it correctly and pulling it and throwing into traffic. As far as the talking heads go, for every opinion there are just as many against. Go look at the comment section under that X post that Derka just offered up.
  10. Outside of the RPO bag, he has been running the same shit. Same plays.
  11. Which is Sooner talk for he's playing.
  12. Analogy for why I hate it. Every DB had a poor PFF in the sugar bowl two years ago vs Washington, but we didn't record a single sack on 38 dropbacks. So are the bad PFFs the coverage or the fact Penix had 4-5 seconds and no pass rush? When all the linemen get a poor PFF is some of that being expected to maintain blocks for extended time? That's why I hate PFF. It never tells the whole story. For example. A QB throwing to 3 receivers vs 5 is going to have a tougher time and likely a lower PFF. Same with a QB who throws to a bunch of moving targets vs stationary ones. I've seen terrible QBs who spend all game throwing sticks and deep curls who have PFFs through the roof but can't play worth a shit. Lol.
  13. Whether we run Inside Zone or Outside Zone, when we play the smaller, quicker fronts their players seem to beat us to our spots. So for example with inside zone the linemen fire off the ball and depending where the D-line is lined up the linemen have certain assignments. There are usually more blockers than D-linemen. So for example there is a defensive tackle between the center and guard. At snap both the center and guard will fire off the ball and combo block the DT. Then the guard will leave the center solo and continue on to the second level to get hands on a linebacker. Now this is all determined by what type of front you are faced with. Sometimes the guard will be left to handle the DT while the center moves on to the second level. Anywho, when we try to run it a few different things happen. Sometimes the linemen are slow getting to the second level and end up whiffing on the guy they needed to block, who shoots past them and blows the play up at the line of scrimmage. Sometimes the guard who is left 1v1 with a DT gets overpowered and pushed into the backfield causing the RB to have to stop his momentum and reroute, which gives the other defenders time to rally to the ball. So then what has to happen is the line has to maintain the doubleteam which allows the LBs to roam free and just scrape over the top of the play and meet the back wherever they are going. If you just take some plays and watch the line its like Keystone cops. On any given play linemen are missing blocks, falling down, or just getting bullied backwards. Been going on for years now. So let me give you an example below. We are going to run a variation of Inside Zone called Split Zone. In Split Zone the H back or Tight end fires across the formation to cut off the backside pursuit creating a natural cutback lane. Below is how it should be blocked vs the 5 man front Florida is in. You can see the TE at the top of the screen is supposed to come across the formation and kick out the backside DE. The OT has the DE. The LG has the DT in his B gap. The Center and RG are supposed to combo block the NT with the center trying to reach the playside LB. Then the RT and other TE combo block the DT in the C gap and then work their way to the OLB. But here is what actually happens below. The TE tiptoes his way across the formation and blocks the backside DE, but because he was slow there is no cutback alley to run through. He needs to fly across with some aggression and a sense of urgency. OT has his man handled. Surprisingly so does the LG. Here is where it gets bad. The Center/RG are struggling with the NT and never come off him to get to the playside LB. The RT/TE combo is having communication errors. They fire off to doubleteam. The TE appears to be pushing him across the face of his RT, helping the defender into the backfield. Meanwhile the two LBs are just sitting there on the hole sipping a cup of joe waiting. Nobody has touched them. A comedy of errors. No one ever really came off a doubleteam, and we don't have breaking arm tackles, make your own yards kind of backs. So play gets a yard or two. IZ.mp4 Keystone cops. There are way worse but I'm lazy. There are many great run schemes out there. Gus Mahlzan comes to mind. But they recruit for their philosophy.
  14. Georgia had probably the fastest front 7 last year. They did that to pretty much everyone.
  15. I hear that, but not many teams have athletic O-lines and they still get it done. You know how hard it is to run for only 15 to 30 yards? We've done that shit multiple times over the last couple years. It's not just big and slow. Some of it is scheme. Some of it is playcalling. Some of it is size and ability of the RBs. Last year we pretty much ran on any team that was big up front like us. If you were small and quick we struggled. This year started out the same. Even without Arch's yards, we ran for 128 yards at 4.7 a pop on OSU. Big on big we seem to be solid, but then the Florida game happened. We were supposed to be able to run on them like we did last year to the tune of 31 for 210. Ugh
  16. No disrespect but Williams was a turnstile. I was happy to see him go.
  17. Since Sark has been here its been a problem. I will be honest for a minute here. I've been talking shit on this thread to a few people who were very loud last year. However, the reality is that we've sucked in the interior in the Sark era. Bijan and Rojo made their own yards. Brooks was good at that too. In pass pro the LG has been an issue for a long time too. Last year whenever we played quality fronts we couldn't get a push at all. Even Arizona St was stoning us up front, and blowing up our OZ with penetration. I'm beyond baffled because it's carried over so many different dudes. It simply hasn't mattered who we've put there the problems have persisted.
  18. As a person that lived not to far away from Westwood. Correct.
  19. Agreed. If I am remembering correctly, the run wasn't supposed to pop outside(?), and you know how that goes. He just needs to know to let go when the defender turns to pursue. I will take a couple of those over barely touched A-gap rushers all game. In fact, put Baker at LG and he gets two holds per game as long as nothing else gets through. Lol.
  20. Baker wasn't what was killing us the most. The LG/C combo plus we kept allowing Florida to get a DE on our 195lb backs in pass pro. We could've made hay running off the edge on passing downs simply taking advantage of Florida's lack of gap integrity.
  21. To be fair, the defense got pushed around against Florida on the ground last year too. And before anyone says it was late in the game, they rushed for 80 yards by halftime, and another 80 in the 3rd quarter. So I wouldn't give up on the defense just yet. Florida's O-line, in combination with the patience of their RBs might just be something unique that we struggle with. Not to say our interior in elite, but I think it's better than they showed this week.
  22. Yep. Makes sense huh?
  23. And yet that talentless, immobile quarterback put up 5 TDs on Florida. Meanwhile in Arch's best game, vs MSU, it was 14-6 with 16 seconds left to go in the 3rd quarter. This is the same MSU that Toledo put up 41, and Pig put up 58. They didn't win a single game in conference, and only two games last season. This is rich coming from you. Lol. Anyone remember this Derka posted below? I do. Check the date. November 12, 2022. Three and a half months in, Derka was dragging his nuts across this dude's face about not only how he played football, but the socioeconomic level this kid was born into. Meanwhile, don't suggest Arch should be further along than he is after getting 2nd string reps for two and a half years. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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