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TexasHooch

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  1. And I'll say something positive -- this statement is a start.  It doesn't go far enough.  It needs to unequivocally state that no one is above the law, especially those sworn to uphold it.  But it's a start.  It's a shit-ton better than the typical closing of ranks and defending the indefensible.  But it's but one tiny step....let's see how they keep it up.
    How's this then:

    https://www.twincities.com/2020/05/27/metro-area-law-enforcement-leaders-condemn-minneapolis-police-officers-conduct-say-it-violates-common-training-and-use-of-force-policies/
  2. There’s a lot more you shouldn’t argue with.
    I haven't engaged in any arguments here. I've shared insight that I feel adds to the discussion and/ or clarifies things.

    I, like everyone else, am mortified by the murder I witnessed on that video.

    I, like many here have been victimized by law enforcement in a significant, traumatic, life changing way- not just by individual officers involved, but by the system.

    I, UNLIKE anyone here, suffered my injustice directly at the hands of the Minneapolis Police Department.

    So fuck off. As much as you may want me to, I don't fit your narrative of a sympathizer or apologist.
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  3. I am still trying to figure out which entity will be filing the charges. County/State government/Feds? If I had to bet, Feds. 
    Hennepin County most likely. Feds could charge for a civil rights violation, but it's not their nature to work quickly. The county attorney will write the petition.
  4. And visually, here's the contrast:
    To protect a murderer, the local PD preemptively brought out dozens of cops to perform a protective phalanx.
    To stop a murder that was ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, three MPD cops did nothing.  Not a single word or action to stop the murder.
    Dozens of cops are protecting Chauvin.  No cops protected George Floyd.
    Yup. Won't argue with any of that.
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  5. My mistake for commenting before watching the video. I think it's still unlikely that MPD was there so my main point stands, but that was multiple jurisdictions on scene- and a metric shit ton of cops.

    I cant really argue with anyone who thinks it an excessive show of force other than to say that there maybe there was Intel indicating a specific threat involving an organized group of people at that location.

    The optics are certainly bad though and it's fair game to question the motives and priorities.

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  6. As a chaser to the MLK quote - the police sure do care about protecting the murderer
    https://v.redd.it/w85o0813ah151
    A fucking company-level deployment of cops protecting a murderer while the city burns because of his actions and their collective inaction against him.
    Like the vast majority of police officers, he doesn't live in the city he works (that's a discussion for another thread). The department that went to his house had no role to play at the scene of the protests.

    There was a legitimate threat to the safety of the residents of that house as well as the people protesting,so they responded. The amount of officers on scene was likely to ensure their own safety, and deter violence- which appears to have worked.
  7. And if you let having "your guard up" turn into abject fear for your life at every interaction with another human being, you've really fucked yourself up.
    Shit, I'm a guy with decent situational awareness.  We've traveled to places that relatives warn us are "high value terrorism targets" (think European streets and subways, etc.).  So, my family and I all talk about the fact that let's just be aware of things that might look out of place, a backpack left on the ground, that sort of thing.  Some heightened awareness, but not stressful at all. 
    Compare that to the self-inflicted narrative that cops shout over and over - "WAR ON COPS!"  "JUST WANT TO MAKE IT HOME ALIVE!"  If that's the way you approach the world, then no shit you're gonna have PTSD.  It may be based on utter bullshit (seriously...the guys I know who work on farms and ranches have a much higher likelihood of suffering death or serious injury, and they don't spend every waking second in fear), but once you make it your mental reality, them's the consequences.
    What you're describing is commonly known as Fear Based Policing, and it's based on a fairly recent training movement within law enforcement to stress a constantly vigilant "it can turn on a dime" mentality.

    Officers would go to training and every example they see and read ends poorly. They go to live scenario drills and every role play is designed to end in force.

    It's a philosophy that has been widely recognized as irrational, unsustainable, and detrimental to officers, but the mentality and poor training persists.

    All that said, there's still a whole lot of real trauma to go along with the unintentional consequences fear based training.
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  8. Trauma is a huge factor, which is only worsened by the macho culture that says they're somehow unfit if affected by it.

    No, routine conversations with citizens should not be stressful, but being 1st on scene to an active domestic assault is- more so when they both turn on you. Being a first responder to drug overdose to find a baby crying in the corner is. The daily deluge of general negativity has a weight to it too.

    I'm not saying that this cop is just a good guy, spoiled by trauma, but to characterize the role of law enforcement to that of a glorified census taker knocking on doors is disingenuous.

  9. Just learned a few details I hadn't known:

    This all happened a block away from where I used to live. It's a rough intersection but the neighborhood is mostly working class and urban millennials.

    Also, they guy worked security for a small Latin (congo) club just north of downtown. He most certainly worked the door with Minneapolis PD all the time.

    Lastly, dude was reportedly a big, tall guy. There's no doubt he was intimidating as hell to those cops.

  10. Positional asphyxia and/or excited delirium, or a combination of both. Either way, the Officer and the others around , should have recognized it and got off of him and put him in a position to breathe. Might not have helped with excited delirium (as their core temperature can suddenly and fatally rise), but definitely for positional asphyxia.
    I see that they have been fired already. Hopefully that is the least of their problems.
    Certainly possible it's ExDS but other than his shirt being off (and that's assuming he took it off) I dont see it. That dude seemed way too coherent

    I saw him complaining of loss of breath and a stomach ache. Did he say he was burning up? Admittedly I've only seen ExDS in person once, but it sure as hell didn't look like that.

    Minneapolis PD is trained on ExDS too BTW.
  11. Switching to this thread from the other...

    This is what I wrote there:

    This one really makes me sick. Zero reason to have your knee on his neck, and zero reason not to have at least moved that man into a recovery position.

    There's a long held quip in law enforcement and corrections that "if you can talk, you can breathe." It's an absurd statement that completely dismisses the reality of positional asphyxia.

    This officer was trained to avoid the neck. He was trained on the potential causes of Custody Death Syndrome (which it certainly was) and Positional Asphyxia (which we'll probably learn is the specific cause). The truth is that the officers knew and didn't care.

    I'm usually quick to stipulate that there's more to the story, but the 4 seconds I that I stomached was enough.

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  12. This one really makes me sick. Zero reason to have your knee on his neck, and zero reason not to have at least moved that man into a recovery position.

    There's a long held quip in law enforcement and corrections that "if you can talk, you can breathe." It's an absurd statement that completely dismisses the reality of positional asphyxia.

    This officer was trained to avoid the neck. He was trained on the potential causes of Custody Death Syndrome (which it certainly was) and Positional Asphyxia (which we'll probably learn is the specific cause). The truth is that the officers knew and didn't care.

    I'm usually quick to stipulate that there's more to the story, but the 4 seconds I that I stomached was enough.

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