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Celery Man

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  1. I did in fact misunderstand what you mean by "useful degrees" and my quick google search for percent of degree holding american adults gives me 54.3. I'll have to look into the happiness thing when I have a longer minute.

  2. 7 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

    I find it interesting how many of the comments here come from the bubble that most posters (including me) live in.  The vast majority of Americans are not working in companies offering any maternity leave above what is required by law, and paternity leave isn't a phrase most Americans have ever heard in their life.  Similarly, blaming shrinking birth rates on women becoming more educated and engaging in higher-level roles in the workforce is silly when it only applies to a small percentage of women in America.  While it may be contributing in a small way to birth rates, it simply cannot be the primary cause.  Most women in America are not educated and are not working in career-oriented jobs.  Neither are most men.  Around 40% of American adults have a college degree.  When you consider how many of those degrees are completely useless when it comes to finding a job, you can probably cut the number down to around 20% of Americans holding a degree in something that is a net positive on their financial outlook. If you add in industry certifications maybe you can get that number up to 30%.  Women earn slightly more degrees than men, but it's close enough to half to say around 15% of the population accounts for this theory of women working up the career ladder accounting for declines in birth rates.  That just isn't statistically significant enough to be a root cause. I think it's too easy for most of us to forget that the majority of the country doesn't live like us, doesn't earn like us, isn't educated like us, and does not make decisions based on the same criteria that we do.  

    Based on absolutely nothing of substance, my theory for the birthrate issue is that life sucks right now for so many.  People are miserable and don't have a lot of hope for the future. Happy people have more children.  

    this is vastly overstated and your conclusions are wrong. if you want to talk about comparative cost-benefit of technical vs non technical degrees, OK, but that's not what you are doing here. i also think your numbers are wrong across the board, and while I agree that there are real problems impacting people's optimism about the future right now I doubt that people were happier in the '80s or <insert decade here>.

  3. 1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

    The hard part is going back to work and putting the kids in expensive daycare. Many I know had a hard time affording that and their job performance suffered while they struggled to take care of their kid and do their job all day. I think that’s a real problem that could use some legislation to help. I’ve always found it weird that we cover grade school with taxes but not daycare when both serve the same purpose.

    Agree with you and tbone that the culture seems to be shifting here as well. And the part you highlighted is one where it seems like we could have an impact. Support childcare, stop fucking up the public schools. It's more important than almost anything else we burn "your tax dollars" on.

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  4. 4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    I'd say the European business culture is way more comfortable with people just going missing for a month or two at a time. Those fuckers do it every year for vacation, so absorbing an extra period of leave for a newborn is not that much extra load. Here in the States, we are 100% grindcore all the time for the shareholder and nobody takes vacation, so being gone for six weeks is a major disruption to the cultural norm.

    I strongly agree that it has a ton to do with culture. And specifically with the danes (scandinavians in general?) there's a thing about the harsh winters and a culture of consensus and communal support that differs from other vacation friendly european cultures. I'm sure someone will bring up the "homogeneity 😉😜" point, which of course is not irrelevant even if it a tasty treat for xenophobes.

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  5. this is probably "i'm 14 and this is deep", but i'm curious about the change in "%women participating in the workforce" alongside "number of incomes required to achieve middle class household status" over time

    23 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

    It’s possible making it easier to have wealth/career goals and still bear children would help.  But Im not sure how effective it would be, since similar efforts in other places haven’t yielded results.

    say more, i'd be interested to read whatever studies you're referring to. I work at a danish company, anecdotally it seems like having children (and taking extended maternity leaves) is much less of an impediment to career growth for our female danish counterparts than I've seen in my experience in the US. But, that's highly speculative and anecdotal.

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  6. 20 hours ago, baboso said:

    1/4 sheet cake pan worked well.  Much better than the glass casserole dish I used to use.

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    Oh man I need more details. My mouth watered and my butthole clenched looking at this picture.

  7. I agree that it is really hard to have good conversations in topics like this that -  legitimate topics worthy of discussion that are also vehicles for our worst people to almost talk about replacement theory, handmaid’s tale fascism, etc

    not accusing you (tk) of that at all

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  8. 8 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Saturday night on a message board filled with men and THIS is what y'all talk about? I'm laughing my tits off.

    Shhh the men are talking

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  9. People who learn things from PSAs still have children young because they think that hot tubs are an effective form of contraception. Of course you can find examples of educated women convincing themselves that it’ll be easier than it is but it may be that rather than simply forgetting to have kids women are making a rational choice. If as a society we want them to make a different choice (and if we are not a piece of shit society) we should make policy changes that impact their decision landscape.

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  10. Unless education and awareness are not the problem, which I think was at least one of the points raised. Women know that they don’t have forever to have children, confusion about that is not why they’ve stopped having children at 23.

     

    and yeah the whole topic of fertility etc is gross with dudes who desperately need privilege to have worth

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  11. I think more than society telling women they can have it all, society is telling women to wait until they are ready to have kids. And the bar for kid readiness is fucking high these days.

    just to be clear, I think that the solution has to do with the second part

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  12. 2 hours ago, CHIEF said:

    When CHIEF Jr.'s girlfriend would get bent out of shape he would tell her, "you are just like a toddler throwing herself to the floor in a candy store, you are an embarrassment to be around." The beauty/crazy matrix is for real.

    what a gentleman

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