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40 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

The best plan is to eradicate our enemies. People like you are why Europe is failing as mass migration breaks the economy. Progressivism has broken the system and the reactive wave is going to change things. Glad you got a decade of transgender rights though!

Well, wait, I thought eradicating enemies, like Russia, cost money that we don't want to spend, and foreign entanglements and all that.

Or is it only brown enemies, or Islamic ones?  What about the Jews, when do they get their time in the barrel?

And what the blue fuck does this have to do with immigration?

 

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Posted
10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, wait, I thought eradicating enemies, like Russia, cost money that we don't want to spend, and foreign entanglements and all that.

Or is it only brown enemies, or Islamic ones?  What about the Jews, when do they get their time in the barrel?

And what the blue fuck does this have to do with immigration?

 

Referencing myself and answering my own question.  

In keeping with populist nationalists everywhere, you have been deluded into believing that immigration -- replacement theory -- is the actual problem.

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, wait, I thought eradicating enemies, like Russia, cost money that we don't want to spend, and foreign entanglements and all that.

Or is it only brown enemies, or Islamic ones?  What about the Jews, when do they get their time in the barrel?

And what the blue fuck does this have to do with immigration?

 

I said the BEST plan. Carrying it out is a different discussion and threats shouldn't just be to one side of the isle I mean true threats to Western Democracy and ways of life.

Yes jihadists that fundamentally want to eradicate all other people they deem as idolators are a pretty big threat. I dont really care what color they are. Sorry there aren't a lot of radicals in Europe that I deem as threats. 

We could start a whole other thread about the Jews, from their meddling in America politics through things like AIPAC, bombing of the USS Liberty to get false flags, Netanyahu and his teetering on dictatorship, false Israeli intel to get us to destabilized Iraq, etc etc.

Progressivism is what a ton of people on this board are. Progressivism has people literally making excuses for Iran. Progressivism is what convinced Europe to open its borders for migrants to then live off the welfare system, not assimilate, and put massive stress on things like housing and the economy. 

I'll get negged. Not the end of the world. I just don't think like everyone here and that is apparently a massive offense.

Oh to the idiot that says because I think differently I must not have a family or father that love. That is really sad that's how you handle or justifying someone having a different opinion. I am so sorry I have different thoughts than you. Father's Day is Sunday. I live in the same city as my father. I am taking out steaks and wine to his house tonight. I hope you have a great Fathers Day as well. @Hank_Hill

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Posted
6 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

I said the BEST plan. Carrying it out is a different discussion and threats shouldn't just be to one side of the isle I mean true threats to Western Democracy and ways of life.

So you’ll be participating in one of the No Kings protests today?

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, WineGuy69 said:

I said the BEST plan. Carrying it out is a different discussion.

Yes jihadists that fundamentally want to eradicate all other people they deem as idolators are a pretty big threat. I dont really care what color they are. Sorry there aren't a lot of radicals in Europe that I deem as threats. 

We could start a whole other thread about the Jews, from their meddling in America politics through things like AIPAC, bombing of the USS Liberty to get false flags, Netanyahu and his teetering on dictatorship, false Israeli intel to get us to destabilized Iraq, etc etc.

Progressivism is what a ton of people on this board are. Progressivism has people literally making excuses for Iran. Progressivism is what convinced Europe to open its borders for migrants to then live off the welfare system, not assimilate, and put massive stress on things like housing and the economy. 

I'll get negged. Not the end of the world. I just don't think like everyone here and that is apparently a massive offense.

Oh to the idiot that says because think differently I must not have a family or father that love. That is really sad that's how you handle or justifying someone having a different opinion. I am so sorry I have different thoughts than you. Father's Day is Sunday. I live in the same city as my father. I am taking out steaks and wine to his house tonight. I hope you have a great Fathers Day as well. @Hank_Hill

No one here is making excuses for Iran.

We're debating how best to curtail the nuclear ambitions of a rogue state.

The options seem to be a) do nothing until b) military strike at significant risk of regional/global destabilization or c) come to some sort of agreement, however imperfect, that attempts to put some kind of limits on them, with penalties.

All options may end in b), but c) certainly seems to be preferable to a).

And, if we're gonna talk about Bibi "teetering on dictatorship," what about Trump?  

I am far from a progressive, historically.  I voted GOP for 35 years, with increasing hesitancy and discomfort as the culture war bullshit heated up.  I cannot stand Trump, "personally," and his policies and administration are complete horseshit.  He fucked up the Iran deal by not at least pursuing a dialog because he's a petty cunt.

With respect to immigration, he deliberately, again because he's a petty cunt, torpedoed the most significant reform in nearly a half century.

The vast majority of the CR, the "leftist cabal," more resembles me than "progressives."

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, royiv said:

So you’ll be participating in one of the No Kings protests today?

 

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

No one here is making excuses for Iran.

We're debating how best to curtail the nuclear ambitions of a rogue state.

The options seem to be a) do nothing until b) military strike at significant risk of regional/global destabilization or c) come to some sort of agreement, however imperfect, that attempts to put some kind of limits on them, with penalties.

All options may end in b), but c) certainly seems to be preferable to a).

And, if we're gonna talk about Bibi "teetering on dictatorship," what about Trump?

I am souring and have been on Israel. The govt of course. But if they want to take out Iranian leadership and nuclear scientists, fucking let em. This world needs less Jihadists and these ones run an entire country and sponsor proxies all over the world.

 

We're 6 month in to his second presidency. I know you don't like him. I am not arguing that you should. We know were just going to go down a rabbit-hole that wont solve anything. He is not a king. I'll wait before I start protesting til I hear rhetoric, legitimate rhetoric, that he is going to try to change or seek a third term. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

We're debating how best to curtail the nuclear ambitions of a rogue state.

 

Curtail is an interesting word choice: Are we talking 5yrs, 10yrs, 25yrs? 35 years later we seem to be at the end game from the late 1980s, when Iran initiated its first secret uranium enrichment program (with support from Pakistan, China, and Russia). 

 

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program

 

Key Iranian Nuclear Facilities:

Natanz:

This is Iran's largest uranium enrichment facility, containing both above-ground and underground facilities. The Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) is located underground, and the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant (PFEP) is above ground. 

Fordo:

Located near Qom, Fordo is a heavily fortified, underground facility designed to withstand attacks. It houses Iran's most advanced centrifuges and is considered crucial for enriching uranium to near weapons-grade. 

Bushehr:

This is Iran's only operational nuclear power plant, built with Russian assistance. It uses Russian-produced fuel and is monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). 

Other potential sites:

Iran has also been reported to be developing other nuclear-related facilities, including underground tunnels near Natanz. There are also reports of a new enrichment facility being developed according to AP News. 

 

Concerns and International Oversight:

Non-compliance:

Iran has been accused of failing to uphold its obligations under its safeguards agreement with the IAEA, specifically regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities. 

Uranium Enrichment:

Iran has been enriching uranium to higher levels, including 60% purity, which is close to weapons-grade. 

IAEA Monitoring:

The IAEA monitors Iran's nuclear program to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes, but Iran's lack of full cooperation and transparency raises concerns. 

Potential for Weaponization:

The combination of advanced enrichment capabilities, underground facilities, and lack of full transparency raises concerns that Iran may be developing nuclear weapons. 

Posted
18 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Curtail is an interesting word choice: Are we talking 5yrs, 10yrs, 25yrs? 35 years later we seem to be at the end game from the late 1980s, when Iran initiated its first secret uranium enrichment program (with support from Pakistan, China, and Russia). 

 

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program

 

Key Iranian Nuclear Facilities:

Natanz:

This is Iran's largest uranium enrichment facility, containing both above-ground and underground facilities. The Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) is located underground, and the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant (PFEP) is above ground. 

Fordo:

Located near Qom, Fordo is a heavily fortified, underground facility designed to withstand attacks. It houses Iran's most advanced centrifuges and is considered crucial for enriching uranium to near weapons-grade. 

Bushehr:

This is Iran's only operational nuclear power plant, built with Russian assistance. It uses Russian-produced fuel and is monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). 

Other potential sites:

Iran has also been reported to be developing other nuclear-related facilities, including underground tunnels near Natanz. There are also reports of a new enrichment facility being developed according to AP News. 

 

Concerns and International Oversight:

Non-compliance:

Iran has been accused of failing to uphold its obligations under its safeguards agreement with the IAEA, specifically regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities. 

Uranium Enrichment:

Iran has been enriching uranium to higher levels, including 60% purity, which is close to weapons-grade. 

IAEA Monitoring:

The IAEA monitors Iran's nuclear program to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes, but Iran's lack of full cooperation and transparency raises concerns. 

Potential for Weaponization:

The combination of advanced enrichment capabilities, underground facilities, and lack of full transparency raises concerns that Iran may be developing nuclear weapons. 

Hence my acknowledgement that all options may end in b).

I suppose ordinarily kicking the can down the road to postpone b) is undesirable.

But, there is and has always been hope for regime change or moderation in Iran.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Hence my acknowledgement that all options may end in b).

I suppose ordinarily kicking the can down the road to postpone b) is undesirable.

But, there is and has always been hope for regime change or moderation in Iran.

I agree. I dont want to completely destabilize the region...AGAIN. It will result in more refugees and more problems for the West. 

But targeted strikes against the Iranian leadership that does not result in invading or targeting civilians could weaken the top enough to allow for a internal revolution/regime change.

I have a friend from Iran and she posted on Instagram that her family and friends are taking to the streets in Iran hoping for an opportunity to create change.

Hopefully a huge opportunity. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

How many times has tyranny lost in a revolution?

  • American Revolution (1765-1783):
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    This revolution saw the American colonies overthrow British rule, establishing the United States of America and its republican government. 
     
  • French Revolution (1789-1799):
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    This revolution resulted in the overthrow of the French monarchy and the establishment of the First French Republic, though it was later followed by other forms of government. 
     
  • Haitian Revolution (1791-1804):
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    A successful slave revolt against French colonial rule, leading to the establishment of the independent nation of Haiti. 
     
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    This revolution resulted in the end of the Tsarist autocracy and the establishment of the Soviet Union, though it also involved a period of civil war and the rise of communist rule. 
     
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    In China, this revolution led to the end of the Qing dynasty and the establishment of the Republic of China. 
     
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    The Roman Revolution (510-509 BC) overthrew the Roman monarchy and established the Republic. The Athenian Revolution (508-507 BC) deposed the tyrant Hippias and established democracy in Athens. The Eighty Years' War (1566-1648), also known as the Dutch revolution, resulted in the independence of the Netherlands from Spanish rule. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions

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