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So...talk to me like I'm 5. Isn't that a big deal? Is this a precursor to Max to merc or no?

9 hours ago, pops said:

So...talk to me like I'm 5. Isn't that a big deal? Is this a precursor to Max to merc or no?

It's not not a big deal. Could be a precursor of Max to Merc, but wouldn't call it a leading indicator or anything.

Now, if in these new cars RBR shits the bed and produces a dog, while Merc knocks it out of the park from the get go? Then that relationship would mean a hell of a lot more. But if it's the other way around, then it's a massive nothing burger.

10 hours ago, pops said:

So...talk to me like I'm 5. Isn't that a big deal? Is this a precursor to Max to merc or no?

I think the bigger question to me is whether or not we see Max make a move to other types of racing if RB can't put together a competitive car with the power unit which will be their first attempt to build one if I recall correctly.

Not sure if he can find another team in F1 that will give him the freedom and autonomy as he has at RB and I could see him moving into other types of racing.

Re: Alonso, this is pretty cool. Seems like he still belongs in F1 to me ...

In Wet Qualys in the Ground-Effect Era, only one driver featured in every Q3

Q3 appearences list:

ALO: 10/10

VER: 9/10

NOR: 9/10

SAI: 9/10

LEC: 8/10

RUS: 8/10

HAM: 6/10

PER: 6/9

PIA: 5/5

OCO: 5/10

Surprised to see Hamilton so far down there

I watched a podcast this morning that was about the engine regs for this year. The compression ratio is 16:1 and measured when the engine is cold. That was lowered from 18:1 to make it easier on new engine manufacturers. The hosts claimed that Mercedes and Red Bull have figured out how to increase that ratio when the engine warms up. It's supposed to be worth around .3 to .4 seconds a lap.

Edited by kevwun

6 hours ago, kevwun said:

I watched a podcast this morning that was about the engine regs for this year. The compression ratio is 16:1 and measured when the engine is cold. That was lowered from 18:1 to make it easier on new engine manufacturers. The hosts claimed that Mercedes and Red Bull have figured out how to increase that ratio when the engine warms up. It's supposed to be worth around .3 to .4 seconds a lap.

Yeah some ppl think they've found a way to basically increase the piston stroke at operating temp, by making the connecting rods from some alloy that will shorten on the downstroke and lengthen on the upstroke, thus drawing in more air on the downstroke and compressing it more on the upstroke. Of course, as always with F1, It doesn't end there. It seems theFIA (Tombazis) screwed the pooch when asked for clarification about it, and didn't make all the teams aware of the clarification that would allow that. I'm not sure if he's supposed to do that or not. Just passing along what I've been reading.

ETA: However, afaik the engine regs still aren't even 100% set in stone yet, as amazing as that sounds, which means, afaik, that it's not all settled yet.

Edited by wood

2 hours ago, wood said:

Yeah some ppl think they've found a way to basically increase the piston stroke at operating temp, by making the connecting rods from some alloy that will shorten on the downstroke and lengthen on the upstroke, thus drawing in more air on the downstroke and compressing it more on the upstroke. Of course, as always with F1, It doesn't end there. It seems theFIA (Tombazis) screwed the pooch when asked for clarification about it, and didn't make all the teams aware of the clarification that would allow that. I'm not sure if he's supposed to do that or not. Just passing along what I've been reading.

ETA: However, afaik the engine regs still aren't even 100% set in stone yet, as amazing as that sounds, which means, afaik, that it's not all settled yet.

Heard this talked about 2 or 3 places early last week and it goes back to the trying to control everything through a fucking rule book.

Read too many people involved with either car design or teams that said as soon as they were given something in writing they started finding ways around the written rules. Much like our daughter the CPA and the tax code.

6 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

Heard this talked about 2 or 3 places early last week and it goes back to the trying to control everything through a fucking rule book.

Read too many people involved with either car design or teams that said as soon as they were given something in writing they started finding ways around the written rules. Much like our daughter the CPA and the tax code.

Yeah, of course. But they don't really have a choice.

Edited by wood

8 hours ago, kevwun said:

I watched a podcast this morning that was about the engine regs for this year. The compression ratio is 16:1 and measured when the engine is cold. That was lowered from 18:1 to make it easier on new engine manufacturers. The hosts claimed that Mercedes and Red Bull have figured out how to increase that ratio when the engine warms up. It's supposed to be worth around .3 to .4 seconds a lap.

i think the important thing to note is that it has always been measured when cold. so its possible this has occured before

2 hours ago, wood said:

Yeah some ppl think they've found a way to basically increase the piston stroke at operating temp, by making the connecting rods from some alloy that will shorten on the downstroke and lengthen on the upstroke, thus drawing in more air on the downstroke and compressing it more on the upstroke. Of course, as always with F1, It doesn't end there. It seems theFIA (Tombazis) screwed the pooch when asked for clarification about it, and didn't make all the teams aware of the clarification that would allow that. I'm not sure if he's supposed to do that or not. Just passing along what I've been reading.

ETA: However, afaik the engine regs still aren't even 100% set in stone yet, as amazing as that sounds, which means, afaik, that it's not all settled yet.

would be easier to make an alloy that expands when hot and make the crankwebs out of it. i have no idea how you would make something expand and contract that quickly which is temperature regulated when the temperature isn't changing between those two things.

Just now, wood said:

Yeah, of course. But they don't really have a choice.

Reward ingenuity by not doing a damn thing with Ferrari or whomever can replicated it.

If someone can find a loop hole under the cost cap more power to them.

Just now, elfenix said:

i think the important thing to note is that it has always been measured when cold. so its possible this has occured before

would be easier to make an alloy that expands when hot and make the crankwebs out of it. i have no idea how you would make something expand and contract that quickly which is temperature regulated when the temperature isn't changing between those two things.

Yeah that was my exact reaction as well. How could that happen that quickly, over and over and over. Seems like even if they could do it, it would be a reliability nightmare, but what do I know? But lots of people have somehow come to that conclusion.

1 minute ago, PGFrog said:

Reward ingenuity by not doing a damn thing with Ferrari or whomever can replicated it.

If someone can find a loop hole under the cost cap more power to them.

OK, but in the previous post you seemed opposed to the rules that create the loopholes. I'm just saying they have no choice but to create a formula with rules. Lots of rules.

1 minute ago, wood said:

OK, but in the previous post you seemed opposed to the rules that create the loopholes. I'm just saying they have no choice but to create a formula with rules. Lots of rules.

Sorry, I have no issue with teams finding loopholes and I think the tax code is a perfect example of why you can't cover every possibility via written text that has to be approved by a committee.

As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with rules that are focused upon safety, but let the other shit go and may the most creative and best team win.

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