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First, I do not deny at all the pogroms that occurred in the Arab world and antisemitic retaliations that occurred in the wake of Israel's establishment, nor the level of antisemitism present in the Arab world. It's all fucking gross. Second, I could not have possibly worded what I said in a worse way. What I meant to say is: The Western world has successfully shifted its guilt for the crimes of the Holocaust et al away from itself and a colonized Palestine is poor restitution for said crimes. Making Palestine entirely the problem of the Arab world would just be the Western world's final act of washing their hands of all that. I would say Israel agrees, considering their goals are very clearly to ethnically cleanse all of occupied Palestine and absorb it into Israel. I certainly agree that your scenario would definitely be better than that, at least.
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You might be right, honestly, it's just a shame that none of it will ever happen because we both know what the actual goal is. Considering that the Western world has spent the decades since WWII working very hard (and very successfully, I might add) to shift the blame for the Holocaust and the many pogroms that occurred in non-Arab nations entirely onto Palestinians and the Arab world, I certainly cannot disagree with this statement at all.
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Yeah you're probably right about that, and I personally wouldn't care who paid but my guess is the international community wouldn't respond positively to the scenario you're putting forward is all.
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I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're staking out a starting point that is simply entirely unreasonable and saying "See????? Nothing can be good enough!" when it's inevitably rejected by the international community. It's not a compelling argument and neither is the circular one you are presenting in the first sentence. If Israel cared to do what you're proposing they could have done it literally decades ago. e: But we both know the overall goal is to steal all that land and kill and/or displace anyone who holds out.
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I get what you're saying but I would guess that saying "lol it's all yours now" after you've already leveled a great deal of the infrastructure is not exactly going to win Israel any points in the international community. That argument you referenced with regard to Israel posing as the stable rule-follower but not really living up to that is not going to get any less persuasive. It certainly wouldn't reduce the risk of violence. It would just cause a desperate population to become even more desperate.
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Obviously this couldn't happen overnight, but I don't really disagree with what you're saying here. Does Israel foot the bill to rebuild all of the infrastructure they destroyed?
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Their goal is to take all that land for themselves, no matter how many people they have to kill or displace. that's the strategy. It's not going to change. I don't necessarily disagree with you.
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Baby brain
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Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread
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Elon Musk: Nazi traitor piece of shit [Confirmed]
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Ethiopian Airlines 737 Max crashes killing 157
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Feeling great about my decision to only fly on Airbus jets. -
Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread
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Imagine getting so ass blasted in the marketplace of ideas that you end up behaving this way your entire life. -
Elon Musk: Nazi traitor piece of shit [Confirmed]
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Elon Musk: Nazi traitor piece of shit [Confirmed]
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When you stop making inherently dishonest arguments like claiming Israeli apartheid doesn't exist because it's not a 1-to-1 copy of South African apartheid, and compartmentalizing your argument to exclude occupied/administered territories, then maybe someone that isn't Rex will listen to you. Otherwise, fuck off and go back to lurking and drive by negging as is your usual practice.
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You're a fucking unserious clownass.
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Very busy today but again, appreciate the honest conversation @SL Xpress @atomheartbevo @bolverket al.
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I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you said, but I have some notes. Your first paragraph here kind of a circular argument. This is a little too CR of a conversation for this thread, probably, but it matters little where the money actually comes from. AIPAC and its like largely exist because of the massive amount of agitprop that's been fed through Western media over the decades, coupled with decades of evangelical Christian ideology worming its way into mainstream politics. Of course there are some true believers, Joe Biden among them as a prime example, but there is an incredibly lopsided incentive to never question anything Israel does publicly, which isn't healthy for Israel in the long run first and foremost, and extremely unhealthy for our political system to boot. Your second paragraph is also one half of another circular argument. Literally everything you said can also be applied to the other side. You don't get to handwave away Bibi's crimes and pretend that he didn't spend years tightening the screws on a captive population, often killing and displacing thousands in the process and deliberately provoking the very kind of attack that happened as if none of the context matters, as if the same (or worse, in some cases) sickness doesn't exist within Israeli society as well, as if Israel was just minding its own business before October 7th. It's disingenuous to an almost hysterical degree. I don't know why anyone would find that offensive. Stupid, maybe, but not offensive. I say stupid because you keep insisting that a pro-Palestinian stance is inherently an anti-Israel stance when it's not, and act like "pro-Palestinian" are bad words when they're not. I'm not sure if it's just deep-seated Islamophobia, or anti-Arab racism, but it's an incredibly dumb position to take. I'm not anti-Israel. Most pro-Palestinian people, like myself, hold a very simple position: Please don't do genocide/ethnic cleansing, find a better way. It should be easy for anyone to see that preventing Holocaust 2.0 can't be done by instead doing one yourself. If you really, truly, don't want Israel to be alone in the world, you should be vociferously arguing against something like that, because if they do it, they won't have any friends left. Treating the entire situation like it's a team sport and insisting upon the path of least resistance because you can't see any other way to get the ball into the endzone isn't the way to a better world.
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Except it is not an isolationist stance, that is a disingenuous reading. They're still our allies. We should still have their backs if shit really hits the fan. We should still be involved in their politics, etc. We need to be involved, only in a different way. I mean seriously, when did we become Israel's bitch? Because it sure seems like that's precisely what we are. For as powerful as we like to pretend we are, we sure do grovel at the feet of some of the worst people on Earth in the middle east (see: Bibi, MBS, etc.). Israel is the only other country on Earth that can continually commit war crimes and thumb its nose at international law with impunity, and it's literally only because they have made us their bitch by buying off our elected officials and relentlessly pushing agitprop in Western media for decades. We shouldn't be directly funding their wars, and we don't need foreign leaders coming to our soil (ironically, maybe one of the few places on Earth he's going to be able to visit without being arrested soon) to arrogantly scold Congress for the president even hinting that fewer billions may be heading their direction. Especially when that foreign leader is a right wing extremist and a corrupt criminal that's likely to end up in an Israeli prison once he loses his ministership over the country. Especially when there exists strong evidence that that foreign leader sat on actionable intelligence and allowed October 7th to happen. Especially when there exists literal mountains of evidence that that foreign leader has purposefully propped up the most extreme elements of Palestinian society (Hamas) in order to both use them as a bludgeon against Palestinians and as an excuse to crank up the pressure on their belligerent occupancy of Palestinian lands. If you stick Bibi next to Bashar al-Assad and squint, there's little difference between the two save one is backed by us, and the other is backed by Russia.
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I think you're maybe misunderstanding or (less likely) purposefully misrepresenting my position. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I doubt you have actually read many of my posts on the subject. I have extended family (by marriage, I'm a basic ass white boy of boring ass Welsh ancestry) that live in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. I've gone into this before, but suffice to say it mostly consists of culturally Muslim but (mostly) non-practicing Israeli citizens with a small smattering of families that either currently live in Gaza and the West Bank, or have previously and expatriated. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the notion that the Palestinians aren't upset about the settler militias that kill them and steal their homes in the West Bank, etc. is patently false. The actions of the settler militias are, at best, gross violations of international law/convention, and at worst (and most accurately in my opinion) outright terrorism. I'm pro-Palestinian insofar as I don't want to see them exterminated or displaced by the millions, like the Jews have been. I certainly don't want Israelis to give up Israel, I think Israel can work and I want it to exist as it can be, not as it is right now with literal bloodthirsty extremists [that are little better than the animals that lead Hamas] running the country. I do not believe that Israel can work in the long term as an apartheid/ethno state. I definitely do not think a one-state solution will work, especially one dominated by either side. I'm pretty sure I've said so plenty of times, @Brisketexan and others can attest. I'm not sure where you even got that idea. Of course Palestinians largely want their country back, as much as Israelis want Gaza and the West Bank for themselves. It's only natural, that's not even a point of contention here. I believe that a working compromise is ultimately possible because I believe that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis are not actually bloodthirsty monsters that want to slaughter each other. I've had this conversation a million times. I'm well aware that there's a good chance that I'm wrong in the end, and that something horrible and irreversible happens. Still, that's my ultimate hope and I'm never going to give in to defeatism. Needless to say, I do not agree with your assertion that one side or the other has to go. I don't want that, and I will never give ground on that. When I say I consider my position to be moderate, it's moderate in contrast to the default American position, which is to support whatever Israel does without question. Countless elected officials in this country have said those exact words. I simply do not agree and I hold out hope that a better path forward can be found. Lastly, you keep saying that you aren't extolling genocide, but it's the only logical conclusion to your line of thought. You're not extolling it, but you're ok with it. There's really not much difference between those two positions, sadly. Like Ana said, I appreciate your honesty and wanted to reciprocate with my own. Hate me or love me, I don't give a shit, enjoy your evening.
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Actually I think I'm just going to kill myself rather than read another dipshit tell me I should just be ok with my extended family members being killed and their homes taken in the West Bank, and that not being ok with it means I want Palestinians to exterminate Jews. Seriously, eat shit and don't come to my funeral.
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Not gonna lie I'm not reading all that. I learned my lesson from the basketball board years ago. E: Ok I lied, I read it. You have no clue what you're talking about. Not sure why I subjected my brain to that bullshit. You're just going on ignore like Rex.
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I don't mean killing them, just pulling them out. The settler movements in the West Bank are little better than terrorism.
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