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    Miami-Dade Police Director Juan Perez on Friday defended his officers’ actions, saying they “tried the best they could and showed incredible courage” in the firefight — even though a hostage and bystander wound up dead in the crossfire.

    “We as an agency mourn the loss of these two innocent victims,” Perez said. “We’re obviously sympathetic with the family members. It’s heart-breaking for us.”

    Perez insisted that the suspected robbers, Alexander and Hill, were to blame because they opened fire on the officers.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article238116424.html

    I'd be curious to know who fired the shots that killed UPS driver and old guy.  Because in the middle of all of that shit, I doubt the robbers are thinking "oh shit, we gotta cap the UPS driver in case he identifies us!".

    The brother thinks he knows:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/frank-ordonez-go-fund-me

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    my brother frank ordonez was killed by police officers  on 12/5/2019, when two robbers hijacked the USP truck he was driving.  They kidnapped my brother and took him on a high speed chase, when they came to a stop he was gun down like a criminal by the Florida police. 

     

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    During the chase’s violent finale on Miramar Parkway, a cluster of cars stopped in peak rush-hour traffic became shields for police. Officers ran and ducked around pedestrians, who witnessed over 100 rounds of gunfire that looked like small bursts of light and smoke in the daylight. 

    At the end, 20 officers descended on three men lying next to the UPS truck that had been hijacked by two armed robbery suspects in Coral Gables, where the driver of the truck was taken hostage.

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    “I said, ‘Honey, don’t worry about it because he’s in Coconut Grove,’” Merino told the Miami Herald. “He drives a 24-footer in Coconut Grove, and this is in Coral Gables and it’s a P-500, which is a small-size truck.”

    Minutes later, the son called again. To his horror, he recognized his brother on the television screen, crawling out of the carjacked UPS truck before he died in the gunfight.

    The five or six officers from the Miramar and Pembroke Pines police departments who opened fire are on administrative leave, per department policies, Broward County Police Benevolent Association President Rod Skirvin said Friday. Eleven Miami-Dade officers also opened fire and have been placed on leave. An officer from the Florida Highway Patrol fired shots, as well.

    The FBI, which is leading the investigation into the incident, has offered little information about what happened, including whether Ordonez was killed by police bullets or exactly how Cutshaw was shot.
    Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article238116424.html#storylink=cpy

     

  3. 2 hours ago, Walden Ponderer said:

    It is a symptom of the illness of being a Texas fan that I googled this to see if "ttt" means anything.

    I'm guessing it's not "Trouble In Terrorist Town" but one never knows.

    Tom's Taste-Tester

    Some Longhorn fans have taken things a little too far, and so Tom had to make a new hire.

  4. 8 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

    The Razorbacks wanted to make a splash with their hire, someone the fan base could rally around, and Kiffin certainly checked both those boxes.

    I keep forgetting about Kiffin's deep ties to Arkansas and the surrounding states, and the network of high school coaches he can tap into.

  5. 6 hours ago, yoladu said:

    "I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that 'Oh jeez, the farmers are upset.' Well, they can't be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year," Trump said in a phone-in to Illinois farmers in late August, adding, "I hope you like me even better than you did in '16."

    "I would like you to do us a favor though."

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  6. 6 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Also, after reading the tweet thread about Derkach, my respect for Ambassador Taylor, and former ambassadors, Yovanovich, Pyatt, and Tefft has increased. Nasty characters chumming around the city of Kyiv.

    Wonder if Rudy has some kind of security protection, because wow, there's some really shady characters there, and if they think he was going to flip, it seems like he'd be foolish not to have some kind of protection.

  7. 2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

    What I can't wait for is when Biden doesn't get the nomination and suddenly they don't care about him anymore.  Suddenly Warren or whomever will be "under investigation".  It's just such blatant bullshit.

    I hope they do it.  I hope the Republicans pull out all the stops.   Going after Warren will do wonders with getting women out to vote for her.

  8.  

    29 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

    How can he stop Deutsche Bank and Capital One from following the ruling?  Trump could surely get away without complying but I don't think they could. Regardless of what the GOP allows, the banks would be completely fucked if they told Congress and the SCOTUS to fuck off. 

    He can't.  He could try and order Barr to try and force a confrontation with those dealing with the subpoenas (both the court officers and the recipients), but if things reach that point, you will see some serious shit.  Hell, even Lindsey Graham told the House Republicans to fuck off when they started trying to get Schiff's phone records.

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  9. 4 hours ago, Chrispy_ said:

    ’m not telling anyone to do anything. Fundamentally, I agree with you, it’s just that it isn’t realistic. I understand why people disengage from politics, hell I have myself lately. Politics move terribly slow, are very toxic, and there’s a whole lot of losing and/or not getting what you want. Even when Republicans win, the excitement is very short lived because it’s on to the next battle. It can be very draining. 

    I don't think do you understand, or rather you haven't reached the level of discomfort that most of us have.   I was a campaign volunteer here in Texas for George W. in the '90s and for the '00 election, both paid and unpaid.  By proxy, I was helping other Republican candidates as well.  I saw the inside of the political machine - I saw (rather heard) George W sounding like a fast-talking Ivy League graduate, and I saw him be a good ole boy when it suited his audience.

    What did it for me?  Iraq.  In a very short amount of time, I went from being a support of Bush and other Republicans to going "holy shit, what the fuck are you doing?"  I'm biased - I had been in the military, and had been in JROTC in high school, so I had a shitload of friends who were serving, who were going to be affected by this (and a few were killed).  This didn't happen slowly, and there wasn't  a "whole lot of losing and/or not getting what you want" - the Republicans got the war they wanted, with very little (relative) opposition from the Dems, and it killed a shitload of Americans, and countless innocent Iraqis.

    Palin being on the ticket in 2008 sealed the deal for me, as far as completely dumping the GOP.   Trump merely reaffirmed it.

    And the Republican behavior during this impeachment process was the last nail in the coffin (after dozens of other nails had already been hammered in).

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  10. 4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

    Trump has been effective at creating a new political class -- ex-Republicans.  Now, what happens to that class is anyone's guess.  We range from pretty conservative to downright progressive, so not easy to deal with as a group.  But make no mistake, we all lament the shit out of the death of facts, truth, and reason.  While y'all happily wallow in the bullshit and get it all over you.  No thanks.

    I don't know that he created it - Iraq and Sarah Palin pretty much sealed the deal for me as far as bailing on the GOP, and Trump was just a reaffirmation for me that I made the right choice.

  11. 14 hours ago, troph said:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp30105492/republicans-give-president-trump-more-power-pew-poll/

    43% of republicans support more executive power less checks and balances. Stated another way, 43% of republicans support authoritarian government for our county. Article is esquire but the polling was pew research.

    Can I say wow?

    What the hell is going on??

    With current trends going the way they are, the GOP is within a few election cycles of being be completely out of power for a long time to come.  Assuming they don't get their shit together and wise up and change direction.

    Or to put it more bluntly: Mitch and Co. give no fucks what happens to the country after they are dead - they are going to try and keep power for as long as their clammy little hands can hold on.

  12. 53 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

     

    What did the fine folks running South Carolina think in 1861?

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    We, the People of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the Ordinance adopted by us in Convention, on the twenty-third day of May in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven hundred and eighty eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all Acts and parts of Acts of the General Assembly of this State, ratifying amendment of the said Constitution, are here by repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of "The United States of America," is hereby dissolved.

    Oh, they wanted to leave the USA.  How unpatriotic. Wonder why they wanted to leave?

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    The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." 

    This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River. 

    The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States. 

    The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation. 

    The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

    These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor. 

    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

    Oh, they were unhappy that their slaves weren't being returned to them when they escaped.

  13. 2 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    The WH and the Senate Republicans have been talking, and apparently they want to limit the show trial to two weeks. So two weeks in January is what we're looking at. What strategy could the defenders of the Constitution take here knowing that the outcome is decided and the Senate is working with the WH to cover? Is it better to foil that plan? Go ahead and accept it? We've been round and round on the timing and wisdom of all of this, but does the Senate already know the outcome from the judges ruling (that hasn't happened yet-Dec 10 regarding Kupperman/Bolton)?

    They can limit it to two weeks, push it through quickly, and it will make it look as shady as Trump’s shenanigans, and gives the Democrats a game plan for the other impeachment inquiries.  

  14. 11 hours ago, Cosimo de' Medici said:

    You are all a bunch of fucking racists 

    Nope.  But we should feel bad for making fun of the mentally ill.   She has Cat Lady written all over her.   

  15. 2 hours ago, babysdaddy said:

    I really don't understand how her and George are still married.  

     

    1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

    She got all indignant when Wolfe Blitzer said something about not wanting to get into her "troubled marriage".  At the time I thought he sounded like someone with common knowledge among insiders that's not known to the general public. Like everyone in the media knows the marriage is over, or they're separated, or something like that. It's the only thing that makes sense. The only other option is that she is "anonymous" and she is one helluvan actress and they're in it together.

    I’m partly convinced it’s all a troll.   They stand to make more from book deals than she’s made up until now (although her polling firm may have been profitable, I don’t know).  

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