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The federal government intends to "liberate" an American city of its duly elected leadership.
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The senior Senator from California, shoved around and arrested for asking questions at a press conference.
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4 hours ago, markstanco said:
I was looking at an old thread, and I saw Rumblefishstix in there. Did he pass away? It seems like somebody mentioned that.
Last post: January 2022
Last visit: September 2024
He might have just lost interest in posting and lurked for a while before entirely moving on. But the way that man drank back in the Shaggy days, I wouldn't be surprised if it finally got him. No clue, though, as I don't recall ever running across his posts after the move.
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18 minutes ago, troph said:
That awesome one is from 2018 when the lakes filled in one weekend.
Ah. I was looking on my phone without glasses and missed the 2018 part by just zooming in on the red.
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2 hours ago, troph said:
That rain out west is fucking bullseye. Not widespread enough but it’s pinpoint where we’d want it. Already 2 inches in the sweet spot. Too bad it isn’t a 7 county wide monster storm.
1 hour ago, troph said:Good lord! You weren't kidding. So damn happy for y'all!
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49 minutes ago, Bevo said:
think it is bad in Texas, you should hear the comments in Idaho, Montana and Nevada. Basically, none of the nearby states like Californians driving up prices and changing the local dynamics.
Rich out-of-state doctors from Austin who buy little glass chalets in Montana on the side of a mountain overlooking a lake shouldn’t cast the first stone.
You should hear how New Mexicans and Coloradans bitch about Texans "driving up prices and changing local dynamics."
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2 hours ago, bolverk said:
@C-Man Would any of the damage to this vehicle be covered under an insurance claim?
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A little friction and squabbling isn't a bad thing, imo, but of course:
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Meet this representative from LA County. She's pretty good.
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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
NYPD has a building there for some reason
Lots of law enforcement, ICE, etc., do training over there for some reason.
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10 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:
Again, I haven't been following this story so I don't know the details. To which member of Parliament are you referring? What is the underlying story? I was under the impression from your comment that this accusation was being made by the Israelis based on presumably Israeli intelligence.
The guy seems like a real straight shooter and a class act.
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32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
The problem is, being the kind of human being who is genuinely altruistic with a goal of improving humanity as a whole and being the kind of human who can and does play the sort of game necessary to accumulate unspeakable wealth are pretty close to mutually exclusive propositions.
Good and altruistic humans generally don't accumulate hundreds of billions.
Evil, narcissist, psychopathic, sociopathic shitheels do.
You and I would follow the same path. But because we're that sort of person, we never did and never would accumulate that sort of wealth. Shit, I've had several chances to behave merely unscrupulously and profit from it.....can't do it. Ethics and a conscience are a bitch when it comes to wealth creation. Fortunately for Elon, he is not burdened with those things.
One aspect of the past was the social pressure that the economic elite exerted on one another to engage in charitable works with their wealth, i.e., noblesse oblige. It seems that went away at some point, likely when marginal tax rates were really high after WW2, and the expectation didn't return during the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s.
Edit: Instead, we got Robin fucking Leach and "Greed is Good."
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From Military.com:
It was supposed to be a routine appearance, a visit from the commander in chief to rally the troops, boost morale and celebrate the Army's 250th-birthday week, which culminates with a Washington, D.C., parade slated for Saturday.
Instead, what unfolded Tuesday at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, bore little resemblance to the customary visit from a president and defense secretary. There, President Donald Trump unleashed a speech laced with partisan invective, goading jeers from a crowd of soldiers positioned behind his podium -- blurring the long-standing and sacrosanct line between the military and partisan politics.
As Trump viciously attacked his perceived political foes, he whipped up boos from the gathered troops directed at California leaders, including Gov. Gavin Newsom -- amid the president's controversial move to deploy the National Guard and Marines against protesters in Los Angeles -- as well as former President Joe Biden and the press. The soldiers roared with laughter and applauded Trump's diatribe in a shocking and rare public display of troops taking part in naked political partisanship.
For this story, Military.com reached out to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's office as well as the Army and the 82nd Airborne Division directly with a series of questions that ranged from the optics of the event to social media posts showing the sale of Trump campaign merchandise on the base, to the apparent violation of Pentagon policies on political activity in uniform.
Internal 82nd Airborne Division communications reviewed by Military.com reveal a tightly orchestrated effort to curate the optics of Trump's recent visit, including handpicking soldiers for the audience based on political leanings and physical appearance.
One unit-level message bluntly saying: "No fat soldiers."
"If soldiers have political views that are in opposition to the current administration and they don't want to be in the audience then they need to speak with their leadership and get swapped out," another note to troops said.
Service officials declined to comment when asked about the extent to which troops were screened, whether soldiers displaying partisan cheers on television -- a violation of long-standing Pentagon rules -- would be disciplined or if soldiers who objected to participating in the event, citing disagreements with the administration, would be disciplined or admonished in any way.
"This has been a bad week for the Army for anyone who cares about us being a neutral institution," one commander at Fort Bragg told Military.com on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. "This was shameful. I don't expect anything to come out of it, but I hope maybe we can learn from it long term."
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QuoteExperts were quick to come out and say that the public silence from military leadership is a missed opportunity to reinforce the military's nonpartisan nature. Meanwhile, the political leadership at the head of the Defense Department was far from apologetic.
"Believe me, no one needs to be encouraged to boo the media," Sean Parnell, a top Pentagon spokesperson, said in a statement to Military.com. "Look no further than this query, which is nothing more than a disgraceful attempt to ruin the lives of young soldiers."
Adding to the spectacle, a pop-up shop operated by 365 Campaign, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based retailer that sells pro-Trump and other conservative-coded memorabilia, was set up on-site with campaign-style merchandise on Army property. Soldiers were seen purchasing clothing and tchotchkes, including "Make America Great Again" chain necklaces to faux credit cards labeled "White Privilege Card: Trumps Everything."
Permitting the sale of overtly partisan merchandise on an Army base likely runs afoul of numerous Defense Department regulations aimed at preserving the military's long-standing commitment to political neutrality. The Army has historically gone to great lengths to avoid even the appearance of partisanship.
Parnell did not respond to follow-up questions about the sale of MAGA campaign gear directly to troops.
Trump used much of his speech to slam California Democrats and tout his ongoing and unprecedented surge of nearly 5,000 federalized Guard soldiers and Marines to quell immigration protests.
"We will liberate Los Angeles and make it free, clean and safe again," he proclaimed to soldiers, adding that Newsom and L.A. Mayor Karen Bass are "incompetent" and falsely said they're aiding "insurrectionists" while goading troops into booing them.
"I bet none of those soldiers booing even know the mayor's name or could identify them in a lineup; they're nonexistent in the chain of command," an 82nd Airborne noncommissioned officer told Military.com. "So, any opinion they could possibly have can only be attributed to expressing a political view while in uniform."
Trump is far from the first president to use the troops as a backdrop for a speech that had political notes. But experts say this speech crossed a line and showed the military's ethics can be vulnerable.
"What I think is so remarkable about Bragg is that it's really a breakdown on the military side," Risa Brooks, an expert of civil-military relations at Marquette University, told Military.com.
"It shows it's possible -- that the military's professional ethics could fail," she said.
In 2022, Biden received criticism for delivering a speech outside Independence Hall in Philadelphia that aimed to warn the public about the authoritarian impulses of then-former President Trump and his supporters.
He was flanked by two Marines in dress uniform.
Republicans and reporters immediately jumped on Biden, slamming him for politicizing the military.
"The only thing worse than Biden's speech trashing his fellow citizens is wrapping himself in our flag and Marines to do it," Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote on social media at the time.
Another Trump administration official, James Hutton, said Biden "used U.S. Marines as props" and slammed the move as "despicable conduct in attacking more than half of Americans."
Ari Fleischer, a conservative commentator at the time, said the speech was not only "inappropriate" but that the Marine Corps had "some explaining to do" for allowing the speech to occur.
Neither Fleischer, Hutton nor Issa appears to have made any posts criticizing Trump's speech as of publication.
Going back decades, presidents have all used troops as background and set dressing for addresses and appearances that at times skirted the line between the nonpartisan nature of the military and the politics of the presidency.
Biden's White House press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, noted to reporters after Biden's speech in 2022 that "it is actually normal for presidents from either side of the aisle to give speeches in front of members of the military, including President ... Ronald Reagan and President George H.W. Bush."
"It is not an unusual sight or is not an unusual event to have happened," she added.
Brooks also agreed and noted that many of the instances of troops being used as props "are mostly instigated by the civilian side."
However, many of those examples were presidents choosing the setting to speak to the troops about military policy and issues that affected them personally, and with the exceptions of polite applause and laughs at presidential jokes, troops have not been especially vocal or reactive to the rhetoric being offered.
"Trump has gone farther than any other politician in the tenor and content of his comments, overtly treating events with troops in the audience as campaign rallies, and overtly and directly criticizing his opponents," Brooks said.
Long before the unprecedented speech at Fort Bragg this week, Trump has been blurring the lines between politics and military events. In the early days of his first term, he spoke to troops at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida and told the assembled troops "we had a wonderful election, didn't we?"
"And I saw those numbers, and you liked me and I liked you. That's the way it worked," he added.
Trump also went on to use the Pentagon's Hall of Heroes to sign a ban on travel from Muslim-majority countries during his first term. Marines appeared in a 2020 Republican National Committee video that he shot at the White House. That same year, then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley appeared alongside Trump in Lafayette Square outside the White House after federal officials forcibly cleared a street of peaceful protesters for a photo opportunity in front of a local church.
Milley later apologized for his presence.
Despite the silence from military brass this week, other experts, military observers and a handful of former leaders, have condemned the speech or the ensuing silence.
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, best known for serving as the task force commander that coordinated military relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina, called the speech "inappropriate."
"I never witnessed that s..t like this in 37 years in uniform," Honore wrote on social media Tuesday.
"Once you see one instance of this happening, it potentially normalizes it," Brooks warned. "It opens the door to more instances and more overt violations of the nonpartisan ethic."
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Thanks. I appreciate the link and will check it out. But I'm now embarrassed to say I got his name confused with his fmr. CNN anchor brother. That said, I don't really follow what's going on in other states too well unless it makes headlines on the front page, especially when it's not discussed on Surly.
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@C-Man Would any of the damage to this vehicle be covered under an insurance claim?
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13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
Look, people follow leaders and messaging that is clear, tangible and immediate.
They don’t understand the magic words or care about checking the boxes The Groups want checked. They don’t follow ideological abstraction and they don’t want to support politicians who run away from the language of class.
Cuomo talks about real stuff that matters using short words and definitive, meaning statements people understand.
he’s too damaged and too much of a New Yorker to win a national race, but his messaging is good.
Honest, totally serious question -- not a gotcha:
I don't have cable and haven't had it since 2009, so the only -- and I mean ONLY -- times I've ever actually heard him talk about stuff are from clips posted on Surly.
Could you provide a link to something as an example of what you're talking about? TIA
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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:
And?
Well, you see, since he has disagreements with those weirdos on economic policy, he could never side with them on foundational democracy stuff like the Constitution, civil liberties, and human rights.
So, we find ourselves at an impasse as the Regime tests the boundaries of establishing a racist authoritarian police state where US residents lose due process rights as they’re spirited away to foreign prison camps, and protesting that earns you an ass-beating, a horse-trampling, a rubber bullet to the gut, or a tear gas cannister to the head.
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2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:
Well there appear to be signs printed by a number of different organizations in many of your pictures (such as ANSWER Coalition ("Act Now to Stop War and End Racism"), etc.). So yeah, I guess there are lots of people with diverse agendas who all are protesting what by all accounts is an unlawful and unconstitutional use of military force domestically.
Not sure what the point of your initial post was anymore.
It's a deflection away from the actual issue.
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3 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:
My friend, there is absolutely no "probably" about this. The ICE raids in LA were intended to stir up a response to which he could counter respond. The playbook was already drawn up. I always kinda chuckled at @Brisketexan's Eeyore-esque "the end is nigh" posts, but I think we are inching ever closer to level of civil unrest we ma have never seen since our founding.
If you haven't already and have Disney+, watch Andor. It's an incredibly instructive non-CR series (though the parallels are unmistakable) about fascism and rebelling from it.
Apologies if you've already seen it, because I can't recall if you've posted in that thread.
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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:Descending into a fascist hellscape will do that to a people.
Believe me, most of us long for a time when we could forget, for months at a time, that we even had a president, and we could focus on what was important: the college sports program choices made by immature, showboating 18 year olds, women with particularly admirable chestal areas, and muledick.
I’d also add that learning that other posters with whom we could casually get along and joke around previously are A-OKAY with fascism has put a damper on the fun times.
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Woman trying to get home to her apartment, standing 30 feet away from cops. We can't hear her but can assume she's likely trying to explain the situation. She gets shot and walks away (crying), cops render zero aid, bystander (filmer) comes to assist hurt woman, and it sounds like cops start to shoot at her, too, at the end.
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She says the federal government intends to "liberate" an American city from its duly elected leadership just before the fascist thugs assault Padilla.