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bolverk

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  1. Guy in this clip that this woman getting kicked off the plane showed up in other videos. Obviously, you can't be sure, but she looks an awful lot like that florist from Midland. I'm not sure if that's correct though as I thought she'd already made it back to West Texas. Doesn't matter though, I suppose. Either way, it's another seditionist who fucked around and is finding out.

     

  2. As for the discussion upthread on the direction of the GOP, here's a report on an RNC meeting this Friday:

    In Capital, a G.O.P. Crisis. At the R.N.C. Meeting, a Trump Celebration.
    Party members at a gathering of the Republican National Committee endorsed President Trump as the man to lead the party forward, ignoring the turmoil in Washington.

    AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. — In Washington, Republicans were dealing with a burgeoning crisis in their ranks, with high-profile resignations and bitter infighting over how to deal with an erratic and isolated president. But at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting on Friday, most party members were operating in a parallel universe.

    In a chandelier-adorned ballroom at the seaside Ritz-Carlton here, there was no mention of President Trump’s disruption of the coronavirus relief package or his phone call to the Georgia secretary of state demanding that he help steal the election, both of which contributed to Republicans’ losing control of the Senate.

    And while the R.N.C. chair, Ronna McDaniel, condemned the attack on the Capitol, neither she nor any other speaker so much as publicly hinted at Mr. Trump’s role in inciting a mob assault on America’s seat of government.

    Even as the president faces a possible second impeachment proceeding, this collective exercise in gaze aversion was not the most striking part of the meeting. More revealing was the reason for the silence from the stage: Party members, one after another, said in interviews that the president did not bear any blame for the violence at the Capitol and indicated that they wanted him to continue to play a leading role in the party.

    “I surely embrace President Trump,” said Michele Fiore, the committeewoman from Nevada, where Republicans have lost two Senate races and the governorship since 2016. Ms. Fiore, who was sporting a Trump-emblazoned vest, said the president was “absolutely” a positive force in the party.

    The fealty to Mr. Trump was made plain on Friday when the state chairs and the committeemen and women who make up the R.N.C.’s governing board unanimously re-elected Ms. McDaniel, Mr. Trump’s handpicked chair. They also reappointed her co-chair, Tommy Hicks, who was first appointed to his post because of his friendship with the president’s eldest son.

    Mr. Trump is the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over the loss of the White House, the House and the Senate in a single term and will be the first since Andrew Johnson to boycott his successor’s inauguration. That hasn’t yet fazed the Republican rank and file.

    “This room, they’re in denial, and that’s on the record,” Bill Palatucci, a committeeman from New Jersey, said during a break in the Friday session, acknowledging the “damage done to the country” and the Republican “brand” this week.

    But Mr. Palatucci was a lonely voice of dissent, at least in public.

    Spoiler

     

    Privately, a group of Republican officials, mostly those from the pre-Trump establishment wing of the party, said that they were appalled by the president’s conduct and that Ms. McDaniel had been candid about the party’s difficulties behind closed doors.

    These Republicans predicted with more hope than confidence that once Mr. Trump was out of office, the ardor for him in the conservative base would cool.

    Yet for now, the flames still burn.

    “I would love to see him go into states that have some House seats we can flip in ’22,” said Terry Lathan, the Alabama G.OP. chair, who said “absolutely not” when she was asked if Mr. Trump bore any blame for the attack on the Capitol.

    When a committee member took an informal survey on whose closed-door speech on Thursday members had liked better, that of Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota or of Nikki R. Haley, the former United Nations ambassador, the response was clear. The party officials preferred Ms. Noem’s, because she had not criticized Mr. Trump as Ms. Haley did in her remarks, a Republican familiar with the sampling said.

    Earlier in the day on Thursday, when the president briefly called into a breakfast meeting, he was greeted by applause. And when the Missouri national committeeman, Gordon Kinne, said at the breakfast that he was a supporter of the president but had been upset by his comments about the violence at the Capitol, he was met with a generally frosty response, according to another committee member in the room.

    The loyalty to Mr. Trump results in part from the turnover on the committee during his term. The president’s top political lieutenants intervened to install loyalists in state and local G.O.P. conventions ahead of 2020. The goal was to prevent any party rule changes that could have made it easier to mount a primary challenge against Mr. Trump, but the end result was to leave the committee heavy with Trump devotees.

    The changes also accelerated a trend that pre-dated Mr. Trump’s rise: the evolution of the committee from a body filled with canny political professionals and power brokers in their states to one dominated by dogmatic partisans well-marinated in Fox News and Facebook memes.

    Perhaps more significant, the president has fostered a new wave of activism on the right — and many longstanding G.O.P. leaders fear alienating these newcomers to party politics.

    “We can’t exist without the people he brought to the party — he’s changed the direction of the party,” said Paul Reynolds, the Republican committeeman from Alabama. “We’re a different party because of the people that came with him, and they make us a better party.”

    Reta Hamilton, a committeewoman from Arkansas, said Mr. Trump should play “a leading part” in the G.O.P. in the future for just that reason — “to bring his voters,” she said.

    Ms. Hamilton and other R.N.C. members also sought to rationalize questions about the damage to the Capitol and the images of Trump banners and Confederate flags littering the building.

    “What was your reaction to Black Lives Matter looting and robbing and killing people?” she shot back brazenly before walking away.

    Steve Scheffler, a committeeman from Iowa, was equally quick to invoke last summer’s at times destructive protests over racial justice and the news media’s coverage of them.

    “Why doesn’t the press condemn the violence that happened in Portland and Seattle?” said Mr. Scheffler. “It’s a double standard.”

    Asked if he felt there was an equivalence between the left-wing protests of 2020 and the violent attempt to subvert the election this week, he said: “Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s all bad.”

    In her remarks to the committee, Ms. McDaniel, the niece of Senator Mitt Romney, thanked Mr. Trump for his faith in her and never directly acknowledged that Mr. Trump had been defeated, only referring to her frustration at “losing critical elections.”

    As for the president’s own denial about his loss, she did not rebut the conspiracy theories he has pushed, and that the party’s base has echoed.

    Addressing the Republican “grass roots,” she vowed to work with state legislatures to “make sure what we saw in this election never happens again.”

    Ms. McDaniel went on to criticize the effort by House Democrats to withdraw gender-specific words like “wife” and “husband” from the rule book governing the chamber.

    The standing ovation she received was a reminder that disdain for the left’s perceived excesses is the most animating, and unifying, force on the right. This brand of oppositional politics could help paper over Republicans’ challenges when they run as the out-of-power party next year.

    Indeed, much of Ms. McDaniel’s speech was Republican red meat. There were warnings against socialism, attacks on the four liberal congresswomen known as “the squad” and boasting about the diverse class of lawmakers who helped the party gain House seats in November despite Mr. Trump’s broad unpopularity. “Candidates matter,” she said, alluding to new lawmakers.

    David Bossie, one of Mr. Trump’s advisers and the Maryland committeeman, insisted that the party’s losses had been on the margins.

    “You don’t have to throw out everybody when there’s nothing fundamentally wrong,” Mr. Bossie said.

    A handful of committee members, however, believe more reflection is desperately needed, particularly after this week. “We’re whistling past the graveyard,” said Henry Barbour, the Mississippi committeeman, who called Mr. Trump’s conduct before the riot “totally unacceptable.”

    Few of his counterparts, though, would criticize the president.

    Asked if Mr. Trump was still the effective leader of the G.O.P., the Wyoming Republican chair, Frank Eathorne, said, “The way Wyoming sees it, yes.”

     

  3. 6 hours ago, Helobious said:

    His appeal is very easy to understand, and frankly I’m shocked he didn’t win re-election. Outside of the forever Republicans/wallet voters, he has a huge and fanatical fan base the likes of which I’ve never seen. But I understand why those fanatics love him. Almost everyone alive has ugliness in their heart somewhere. Some people have a lot of it, some people very little, but it’s there in almost everyone. And my god does it feel good to feed it and bring it out. 
    He found a way to do that for millions and millions of people. For some people it was the racism, others the narcissism, others the bullying, others the victimhood. Whatever ugliness they had inside, they could project it onto the then most powerful man in the world and feel validated in those feelings.

    Phrasing...

    You know how there are certain phrases that will always be associated with specific people? For example, "the mother of all ______" will always make me think of Sadam.

    So, can we never use "the likes of which" ever again? That shit will forever make my blood boil until the day I die.

    Please and thank you.

  4. 6 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

    Parler is a platform and is viewpoint neutral. It is not Goebbels ministry of propaganda. Any tool can be used to further violence. Apple is not disabling Telegram, WhatsApp and Facebook. Telegram especially has been used by radical groups. They did go after a platform favored by the right. That is not going to go over well

    You can post all the conservative content that you'd like on any of those platforms for all I care...unless you believe that inciting violence in inherently conservative. Look, for all its flaws, Facebook does have a mechanism for moderating content. I don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but it's there. Parler claims to not moderate in spite of their terms of service, which they apparently don't enforce anyway.

    And we already have plenty of evidence of Parler's abuse from screenshots over the last couple of days. Your claim that it's being used to "just blow off steam" doesn't hold water in that light. It's being used explicitly for the purpose of promoting and planning another terrorist attack by certain fucked up elements of our population. Again, you're allowed (and frankly should be encouraged) to express your 1st amendment rights on any of those platforms SO LONG AS YOU DON'T PROMOTE VIOLENCE.

    I'm becoming an old, so I don't really know what goes on with WhatsApp or Telegram. If those apps are being abused/used to assist in promoting insurrection of our democracy, then fucking ban those too.

  5. Here's is the definitive list of Texas representatives who voted to not certify the election:

    R-1    Louie Gohmert
    R-4    Pat Fallon*
    R-5    Lance Gooden
    R-6    Ron Wright
    R-11    August Pfluger*
    R-13    Ronny Jackson*
    R-14    Randy Weber
    R-17    Pete Sessions*
    R-19    Jodey Arrington
    R-22    Troy Nehls*
    R-25    Roger Williams
    R-26    Michael Burgess
    R-27    Michael Cloud
    R-31    John Carter
    R-36    Brian Babin
    R-24    Beth Van Duyne*

    * Newly elected representative

  6. 12 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Roger Fucking Stone, conductor  of the 2001 Florida mess, at your service. He played a very very large hand in this behind the scenes. This is his metier and he loves it.

    My husband says for people to keep saying 'worse than Nixon' every single time, every single time, every single time Trump's name is mentioned. Every single time. He says almost no one would admit to voting for Nixon afterwards and that even though Trump is a 'cult' leader (vs Nixon), that the negative, loser bad guy label will begin to stick. He believes it's important to get it to stick so Trump cannot be a victim nor an outlaw--two very  very powerful myths of fairy tales that resonate with populist leaders and their followers.

    I think my husband's thought has merit. Course, I'm biased.

    Agreed with your husband. It was pointed out yesterday in this thread and later echoed by Brisket that the long-term threat here is that Trump will be viewed as a martyr to the old German stabbed-in-the-back myth that Hitler and the Nazis used to full effect in gaining popularity and coming to power. Personally, I believe that this is a legitimate danger given the potential (and likelihood) that diehard Trump supporters have been installed throughout the federal government. We may well have seen evidence of that in Wednesday's (intentionally?) incompetent response to the attack on the Capitol.

  7. Unsourced article from Business Insider has quotes from anonymous European security officials saying that circumstantial evidence points toward a coup. (Yes, I understand how flimsy that sentence reads, but I'm putting it here since we're already speculating.)

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1

    Quote

     

    'Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup'

    One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

    "The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

    "The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

    "The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

    "I can't believe this happened."

     

     

    Quote

     

    'Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system'

    The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.

    "Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," the official said. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.

    "The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.

    "Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."

     

     

  8. 21 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

    Hey, didn't stop Ted from tryna run for president.

    His mom was American, which further demonstrates farcical claims by Trump and the rest of the Birthers that Obama wouldn't have been eligible to become president if he were born outside the States. A big chunk of Trump's political career was founded upon that conspiracy theory. I guess that makes sense in a sick way since the pillars holding up the GOP during the last decade were all conspiracies: birtherism, pizzagate, Benghazi, stolen elections, etc.

  9. That cop who died had been hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and was taken off life support. Hopefully, they'll have security footage that will identify the murderer. Does this open up the rest of the capitol attackers up to additional charges?

    Moreover, the capitol cops who allowed them in and consorted with them had better face the most severe legal consequences possible for their complicity and/or dereliction of duty.

  10. Thread of a guy enlisting help to ID individuals and their gear. He claims to have ID'd one of the terrorists as recently retired military and has submitted info to FBI. Spoiler alert: that guy was a Longhorn. It's a scary AF thread because it appears to show that those who attacked the Capitol were basically two groups: 1) gawkers/selfie fools and 2) organized paramilitary intent on taking hostages.

    (siap - I haven't been able to keep up this this whole thread)

     

  11. 1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

     

    Today wasn't a reflection of BLM - it was a follow up to an even earlier act of "protest." I don't know who that twatter is, but he forgot (or is trying to deflect from) these same types of crazies stormed the Michigan capitol before the BLM protests following exhortations to OPEN MICHIGAN?

  12. It's utterly heartbreaking to hear of your loss. As I've scrolled through all the posts, I struggled to find words of comfort that I could share. But, you know, the precise words don't matter. What does is knowing you have a full roster of folks here grieving with you and for your family. We're here for you always, Immortal.

    May your cherished child, Sarah, rest in peace.

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