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    Edited by bolverk
    scrolling scrolling scrolling keep that mouse wheel a rolling

    12 hours ago, XYZ said:

    Texas is divided into 22 trauma service areas (TSAs). Is there a table somewhere with the population of each TSA?

    Hovering over each region on this map will show you their populations and other data.

    https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/#hospitalizations-section

    (you'll have to scroll down just a wee bit)

  2. Pence Reached His Limit With Trump. It Wasn’t Pretty.
    After four years of tongue-biting silence that critics say enabled the president’s worst instincts, the vice president would not yield to the pressure and name-calling from his boss.

    WASHINGTON — For Vice President Mike Pence, the moment of truth had arrived. After three years and 11 months of navigating the treacherous waters of President Trump’s ego, after all the tongue-biting, pride-swallowing moments where he employed strategic silence or florid flattery to stay in his boss’s good graces, there he was being cursed by the president.

    Mr. Trump was enraged that Mr. Pence was refusing to try to overturn the election. In a series of meetings, the president had pressed relentlessly, alternately cajoling and browbeating him. Finally, just before Mr. Pence headed to the Capitol to oversee the electoral vote count last Wednesday, Mr. Trump called the vice president’s residence to push one last time.

    “You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

    Spoiler

     

    The blowup between the nation’s two highest elected officials then played out in dramatic fashion as the president publicly excoriated the vice president at an incendiary rally and sent agitated supporters to the Capitol where they stormed the building — some of them chanting “Hang Mike Pence.”

    Evacuated to the basement, Mr. Pence huddled for hours while Mr. Trump tweeted out an attack on him rather than call to check on his safety.

    It was an extraordinary rupture of a partnership that had survived too many challenges to count.

    The loyal lieutenant who had almost never diverged from the president, who had finessed every other possible fracture, finally came to a decision point he could not avoid. He would uphold the election despite the president and despite the mob. And he would pay the price with the political base he once hoped to harness for his own run for the White House.

    “Pence had a choice between his constitutional duty and his political future, and he did the right thing,” said John Yoo, a legal scholar consulted by Mr. Pence’s office. “I think he was the man of the hour in many ways — for both Democrats and Republicans. He did his duty even though he must have known, when he did it, that that probably meant he could never become president.”

    Former Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, one of Mr. Trump’s most outspoken Republican critics and a longtime friend of Mr. Pence before they drifted apart over the president, said he was relieved the vice president had finally taken a stand.

    “There were many points where I wished he would have separated, spoke out, but I’m glad he did it when he did,” Mr. Flake said. “I wish he would have done it earlier, but I’m sure grateful he did it now. And I knew he would.”

    Not everyone gave Mr. Pence much credit, arguing that he should hardly be lionized for following the Constitution and maintaining that his deference to the president for nearly four years enabled Mr. Trump’s assault on democracy in the first place.

    “I’m glad he didn’t break the law, but it’s kind of hard to call somebody courageous for choosing not to help overthrow our democratic system of government,” said Representative Tom Malinowski, Democrat of New Jersey. “He’s got to understand that the man he’s been working for and defending loyally is almost single-handedly responsible for creating a movement in this country that wants to hang Mike Pence.”

    The rift between Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence has dominated their final days in office — not least because the vice president has the power under the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office with support of the cabinet. The House voted on Tuesday demanding that Mr. Pence take such action or else it would impeach Mr. Trump.

    Mr. Pence sent a letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi late Tuesday refusing to act. But Mr. Trump has been nervous enough about it that he finally broke five days of the cold shoulder to invite his vice president to the Oval Office on Monday night to smooth over their split. The official description of the hourlong conversation was “good”; the unofficial description was “nonsubstantive” and “stilted.”

    The clash is the third time in 20 years that a departing president and vice president came to conflict in their last days. After Vice President Al Gore lost his presidential campaign in 2000, he had a bitter fight with President Bill Clinton in the Oval Office over who was to blame. Eight years later, just days before leaving office, Vice President Dick Cheney castigated President George W. Bush for refusing to pardon I. Lewis Libby Jr., the vice president’s former chief of staff, for perjury in the C.I.A. leak case.

    Mr. Trump came into office with no real understanding of how his predecessors had handled relationships with their running mates. In the early days, when it became clear that there would be no organizational chart or formal decision-making process, Mr. Pence made himself a regular presence in the Oval Office, simply showing up with no agenda, often walking into a policy discussion for which he had received no briefing materials.

    He arrived in the West Wing each morning, received an update about when the president was coming down from the residence and then simply stationed himself in the Oval Office for most of the day. He was almost never formally invited to anything and his name was rarely on official meeting manifests. But he was almost always around.

    Calm and unflappable, Mr. Pence took on the role of confidant for cabinet secretaries and other officials fearing Mr. Trump’s ire, advising how to broach uncomfortable topics with the president without triggering him.

    Not angering Mr. Trump “was a key objective of his,” observed David J. Shulkin, the former secretary of veterans affairs. “He tried very hard to straddle a very tough line.” But that meant Mr. Pence’s own views were often opaque.

    “Were the policies and the statements being put out, were they ones that he completely agreed with?” Dr. Shulkin asked. “Or was it his strategy that it is better to be in the room, it is better to be a trusted party to help moderate some of those strategies and the way to do that is not to publicly disagree? I think that was a really hard one to figure out, exactly where he stood.”

    Mr. Pence ultimately discovered that loyalty to Mr. Trump only matters until it does not. Tension between the two had grown in recent months as the president railed privately about Mr. Pence. The vice president’s allies believed Mr. Trump was stirred up in part by Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, who told him that Pence aides were leaking to reporters. That helped create a toxic atmosphere between the two offices even before Election Day.

    When Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election results were rejected at every turn by state officials and judges, Mr. Trump was told, incorrectly, that the vice president could stop the final validation of the election of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. in his role as president of the Senate presiding over the Electoral College count.

    Mr. Pence’s counsel, Greg Jacob, researched the matter and concluded the vice president had no such authority. Prodded by Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, two of his lawyers, Mr. Trump kept pressing.

    Mr. Pence’s office solicited more constitutional opinions, including from Mr. Yoo, a prominent conservative at the University of California at Berkeley who served in Mr. Bush’s administration.

    In the Oval Office last week, the day before the vote, Mr. Trump pushed Mr. Pence in a string of encounters, including one meeting that lasted at least an hour. John Eastman, a conservative constitutional scholar at Chapman University, was in the office and argued to Mr. Pence that he did have the power to act.

    The next morning, hours before the vote, Richard Cullen, Mr. Pence’s personal lawyer, called J. Michael Luttig, a former appeals court judge revered by conservatives — and for whom Mr. Eastman had once clerked. Mr. Luttig agreed to quickly write up his opinion that the vice president had no power to change the outcome, then posted it on Twitter.

    Within minutes, Mr. Pence’s staff incorporated Mr. Luttig’s reasoning, citing him by name, into a letter announcing the vice president’s decision not to try to block electors. Reached on Tuesday, Mr. Luttig said it was “the highest honor of my life” to play a role in preserving the Constitution.

    After the angry call cursing Mr. Pence, Mr. Trump riled up supporters at the rally against his own vice president, saying, “I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to.”

    “He set Mike Pence up that day by putting it on his shoulders,” said Ryan Streeter, an adviser to Mr. Pence when he was the governor of Indiana. “That’s a pretty unprecedented thing in American politics. For a president to throw his own vice president under the bus like that and to encourage his supporters to take him on is something just unconscionable in my mind.”

    Mr. Pence was already in his motorcade to the Capitol by that point. When the mob burst into the building, Secret Service agents evacuated him and his wife and children, first to his office off the floor and later to the basement. His agents urged him to leave the building, but he refused to abandon the Capitol. From there, he spoke with congressional leaders, the defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — but not the president.

    A Republican senator later said he had never seen Mr. Pence so angry, feeling betrayed by a president for whom he had done so much. To Mr. Trump, one adviser said, the vice president had entered “Sessions territory,” referring to Jeff Sessions, the attorney general who was tortured by the president before being fired. (A vice president cannot be dismissed by a president.)

    On Thursday, the day after the siege, Mr. Pence stayed away from the White House, avoiding Mr. Trump. The next day, he went in, but spent most of the day at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next door, where he held a farewell party for his staff.

    But aides said Mr. Pence did not want to become a long-term nemesis of a vindictive president, and by Monday he was back in the West Wing.

    Unlike Mr. Trump, Mr. Pence plans to attend Mr. Biden’s inauguration, then expects to divide time between Washington and Indiana, possibly starting a leadership political committee, writing a book and campaigning for congressional Republicans.

    But no matter what comes next, he will always be remembered for one moment. “We’re very lucky that the vice president isn’t a maniac,” said Joe Grogan, Mr. Trump’s domestic policy adviser until last year. “In many ways, I think it vindicates the decision of Mike Pence to hang in there this long.”

     

     

  3. 39 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

    A coupe of things:

    1) how insane is it that the people trying to revolt are the ones who have all the privilege and benefit of the doubt in society? It's always people who are oppressed and marginalized that have nothing to lose and start an armed revolution. But it's not blacks, latinos, and native americans doing this. It's the spoiled privileged whites. 

    2) how do these people, trump, and the congressionals who are complicit not realize that any attempt at insurrection is doomed to failure without the backing of at least half the military? They went into this with absolutely zero military backing whatsoever. Without that even if everything went to plan and they captured the Capitol and executed some politicians... What comes next? They hold out until several special forces units are dispatched to breach the Capitol and wipe them out? Without any of the military behind them no one is going to just start taking orders from them because they killed some congressmen. 

    A disgusting amount of self-privilege and an engrossed sense of self-entitlement, combined with a beyond-all-reasoning lack of self-awareness and accountability, answer all your questions.

  4. 2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    And just in case you have not seen the WHOLE video she did, she definitely went in the Capitol.  So her saying that it was peaceful and she didn't go inside, horseshit.  

    She also seems to identify Alex Jones at the end.  

     

    In the name of Jesus, I will sell your house. I'm a realtor!

    Look, y'all, that's as far as I'm gonna go. I've got 49 layers on here, and it's hot as hell. They got tear gas.

    In the name of Jesus...

  5. 2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

    All of this "time to heal" stuff, which, indeed does have its time as the rest of the verse indicates, neglects is that there is a need to heal.  And we need to heal because that orange asshole tried to rip the country apart solely in the name of his own ego.

    The time to heal can come after he faces some consequences.

    You see a number of citations to the unresolved issues of the mortgage crisis as a major contributor to the general unrest and unease in the country.

    I'm not big on vindictiveness, but some shit you can't just let go.

    There can be no redemption without repentance.

  6. 10 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

    I'm angry that all of this stupid shit has been going on... Portland, Louisville, the Capitol, ect. I'm just not selectively angry like many on this thread. 

    We're all angry about all that shit. This thread is for discussing the attack on the Capitol in Washington, D.C., which was an attempt at changing the outcome of the recent presidential election.

  7. 12 minutes ago, scottsins said:


    The answer is so obvious that no one has bothered to state it so I will:

    Those things are also terrible and should be met with Justice. Those acts are not “ok” and not a legitimate means of achieving any “goal”.

    Also obvious:

    Trying to stop a vital government proceeding by unauthorized use of force by a mob, at the center of our entire government is also terrible, etc.

    I hate to tell you this, but the vast majority of the “left” agrees with these opinions. Do you?

    Of course, they'll reluctantly say "yes" while also not explaining why they continue to bring up wholly unrelated events.

    The answer for which, as always, is to deflect, deflect, deflect and stupidly hope that no one notices.

  8. 20 minutes ago, vtaenz said:

    We haven't banned guns on Capitol grounds yet.
    I wouldn't worry too much though, there's a lot of steps in the Capitol; I don't see these guys getting very far.

    Throughout most of the pandemic and during the BLM protests, the Capitol grounds were off limits to the public. In light of recent events and ongoing threats, I'd have no problem with them doing it again - save for legislators, their staff, the press, employees, and individual invites for specific meetings - until they no longer allow guns at the complex.

    Let the fake army protest at 11th and Congress all they want.

  9. 11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

     

    THEY are what's happening in this country.

    Also, this from that young, handsome representative in a wheelchair with a Nazi fetish:

    Quote

     

    Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) last month urged the crowd at a conservative gathering to “lightly threaten” lawmakers ahead of the certification of the presidential election results.

    Cawthorn, speaking at a Turning Point USA event on Dec. 21, said he would help raise money for primary challengers to Republicans who don’t join the right-wing effort the subvert the will of the voters.

    According to The Charlotte Observer, he told the crowd: 

    “Call your congressman and feel free, you can lightly threaten them and say, you know what, if you don’t start supporting election integrity, I’m coming after you, Madison Cawthorn is coming after you, everybody’s coming after you.” 

    The comments are drawing renewed attention after last week’s deadly violence as supporters of President Donald Trump attacked the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s victory. 

    The freshman lawmaker also spoke at the rally that preceded the attack, where he denounced his House colleagues as “cowards,” lied about the election results and declared: “Wow, this crowd has some fight in it” shortly before the mob engaged in actual fighting at the Capitol.

     

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/madison-cawthorn-lightly-threaten-congress_n_5ffd12a3c5b691806c4be467

  10. ·

    Edited by bolverk
    confounded typos

    Didn't we have a heated debate several years ago about putting all the US presidents together in a cage match to the death to determine which one would come out alive? If my recollection serves me correctly, Washington, Lincoln, and T. Roosevelt were strong favorites. Of course, that was before Trump became an option, so of course I'm going to go with this guy.

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  11. 32 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

    Uh, that is not what I have heard.  Unless you are bringing a specialized skill or something, NZ doesn't want your ass.

     

    6 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

    They want cash investment.

    Some nerdy American dude married a rather homely Kiwi chick I used to work with and successfully emigrated with her back to her home island. So, there are other ways.

  12. 9 minutes ago, Born to Run said:
    1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:
    Our friends in New Zealand have invited us to visit in post pandemic times. I'm thinking if the govt there won't let us stay then maybe we can rent a boat and row for Easter Island. If Thor Heyerdahl can do it, then I'll take a chance.

    NZ is super accessable for us Ex Pats. See also Costa Rica. Portugal, Ecuador. See you there asap.

    User name and whatnot...

  13. Guy in this clip that this woman getting kicked off the plane showed up in other videos. Obviously, you can't be sure, but she looks an awful lot like that florist from Midland. I'm not sure if that's correct though as I thought she'd already made it back to West Texas. Doesn't matter though, I suppose. Either way, it's another seditionist who fucked around and is finding out.

     

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