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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

 

Both you know I hold no ill will towards either of you. I encourage you two to hop on Texas Clips on YouTube and watch the condensed version of last year's Kentucky game. Kentucky has at least two to three guys off the ball all game. They played a light box and tried their version of the flyover quite a bit. A lot of zone. In my opinion that why our running game was better in spurts last year because everyone was trying to take away Quinn. Now look at this years game. A lot of man coverage from Kentucky and a lot more attempts at heating up the pocket. And not just any blitzing. What it looked like to me was a lot of QB depth rushes from the edge and blitzing and stunting in the middle. Looked lile they were trying to keep him in the pocket and then bring pressure in his face. Obviously you two know that when you do that you leave the middle wide open but if the QB doesn't see it then why wouldn't you? Kentucky's handling of the offense is night and day different. So its my opinion that they wouldn't just recklessly blitz like they did yesterday because they know 3 would hurt them on the back end. 

Good points. Even with all our troubles, if Arch throws that single slant to Mosley a couple feet lower as the blitz arrives, we might well win in regulation and feel a wee bit better about last night. Credit to Stoops for dialing up the pressure, but I'm sad we weren't able to diagnose and avoid the heat much better than we did. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

Both you know I hold no ill will towards either of you. I encourage you two to hop on Texas Clips on YouTube and watch the condensed version of last year's Kentucky game. Kentucky has at least two to three guys off the ball all game. They played a light box and tried their version of the flyover quite a bit. A lot of zone. In my opinion that why our running game was better in spurts last year because everyone was trying to take away Quinn. Now look at this years game. A lot of man coverage from Kentucky and a lot more attempts at heating up the pocket. And not just any blitzing. What it looked like to me was a lot of QB depth rushes from the edge and blitzing and stunting in the middle. Looked lile they were trying to keep him in the pocket and then bring pressure in his face. Obviously you two know that when you do that you leave the middle wide open but if the QB doesn't see it then why wouldn't you? Kentucky's handling of the offense is night and day different. So its my opinion that they wouldn't just recklessly blitz like they did yesterday because they know 3 would hurt them on the back end. 

You're a much more sophisticated observer than I.

I don't see this as being contradictory, I was just speaking in broad strokes about why Arch may have appeared to be the solution to our woes last year.

When Arch was in last year, he wasn't asked to do much.  If and when he was pressured, he gave the appearance of being more composed than QE. He ran pretty well.  He threw better deep balls and, therefore, as stated by gmr, everyone assumed he could throw the short/intermediate passes when called upon to do so.  That turned out to be a terrible assumption.  And, as you note, it seems he can't see the middle of the field.  He's a DC's dream.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Addendum to all this.

Arch appears to be more composed under pressure than Quinn.  He has less tendency to get happy feet and self-sack.

That said, what he does with that composure is not good.

Our number one objection to Ewers was the happy feet/self sack.  Number two was the long ball.  In limited work behind a better OL, Arch seemed to offer solutions to those problems.

But with further exposure, and a significantly worse OL, it turns out he's just not very good at throwing the ball.

Absolutely. Arch’s “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING” moments lead to balls in the dirt or taking a sack. 
 

Quinn’s were returned for TDs.

 

 

and Quinn last year was undoubtedly a better QB than Arch is this year.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

Good points. Even with all our troubles, if Arch throws that single slant to Mosley a couple feet lower as the blitz arrives, we might well win in regulation and feel a wee bit better about last night. Credit to Stoops for dialing up the pressure, but I'm sad we weren't able to diagnose and avoid the heat much better than we did. 

Yeah man, the best way to handle this dude is to spread the field and make diagnosing as easy as possible for this dude. 4 and 5 wide you cannot disguise coverage. Then give the dude easy routes to throw. I know Sark can do it because thats exactly what he did with Jake Locker. Arch is the 2.0 of that dude, big armed dude with questionable processing skills. He got that dude drafted first round. 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You're a much more sophisticated observer than I.

I don't see this as being contradictory, I was just speaking in broad strokes about why Arch may have appeared to be the solution to our woes last year.

When Arch was in last year, he wasn't asked to do much.  If and when he was pressured, he gave the appearance of being more composed than QE. He ran pretty well.  He threw better deep balls and, therefore, as stated by gmr, everyone assumed he could throw the short/intermediate passes when called upon to do so.  That turned out to be a terrible assumption.  And, as you note, it seems he can't see the middle of the field.  He's a DC's dream.

Arch is most definitely a gamer in the fact that he is pretty elusive in the pocket. But a lot of WHY he is having to dodge bodies is his own fault. Every drop back ends the same way. Waiting too long to make a decision. Even on completions. For example there was a simple tight end out he threw and the TE got tackled as soon as he caught it at the LOS. However, if you watch it again he waits until the defender closes all the way down to throw it when he is open immediately. If he had thrown it right away the TE could've gotten their head around and stiff armed, but the late throw gives hom no time for that. People keep saying receivers arent open. They are open. On the break. But if you dont throw it on the break it allows for DBs to recover. The whole thing is frustrating to watch. Im just venting really. 

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Posted
32 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You're a much more sophisticated observer than I.

I don't see this as being contradictory, I was just speaking in broad strokes about why Arch may have appeared to be the solution to our woes last year.

When Arch was in last year, he wasn't asked to do much.  If and when he was pressured, he gave the appearance of being more composed than QE. He ran pretty well.  He threw better deep balls and, therefore, as stated by gmr, everyone assumed he could throw the short/intermediate passes when called upon to do so.  That turned out to be a terrible assumption.  And, as you note, it seems he can't see the middle of the field.  He's a DC's dream.

Think you summed up the Arch situation the best I’ve seen yet.

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Horn80 said:

Think you summed up the Arch situation the best I’ve seen yet.

Well, all I have done is explain why a bunch of nattering nabobs thought Arch would be great this year, or at least an improvement on Ewers.  It was rational, as far as it went.

The bigger question, for which there probably is no single answer, is why does he suck.  It seems Sark knew he wasn't ready for prime time last year and was right.  I guess he hoped another year would be a breakthrough.  Seems he's still hoping there, while the other hand fills with shit.

I don't think I'm gonna fault him for not playing Caldwell.  Even if he fulfills our expectations, it's a short-term solution that's not going to get us an NC or even in or very far in the CFP.  I think Sark has to have his eye on next year and what the blue fuck we're going to do with Arch, Lacey, a gimpy frosh Bell, and whoever we drag in from the portal.  Some small chance remains that Arch gets it together.

I'm also guessing that it is Sark's preference to bring a QB along relatively slowly, for better or worse.

And then there's the OL problem, which may not have a quick fix and also risks headfucking (if not bodyfucking with injury) whoever is QB1 next year.

 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, all I have done is explain why a bunch of nattering nabobs thought Arch would be great this year, or at least an improvement on Ewers.  It was rational, as far as it went.

The bigger question, for which there probably is no single answer, is why does he suck.  It seems Sark knew he wasn't ready for prime time last year and was right.  I guess he hoped another year would be a breakthrough.  Seems he's still hoping there, while the other hand fills with shit.

I don't think I'm gonna fault him for not playing Caldwell.  Even if he fulfills our expectations, it's a short-term solution that's not going to get us an NC or even in or very far in the CFP.  I think Sark has to have his eye on next year and what the blue fuck we're going to do with Arch, Lacey, a gimpy frosh Bell, and whoever we drag in from the portal.  Some small chance remains that Arch gets it together.

I'm also guessing that it is Sark's preference to bring a QB along relatively slowly, for better or worse.

And then there's the OL problem, which may not have a quick fix and also risks headfucking (if not bodyfucking with injury) whoever is QB1 next year.

 

While I agree he’s not a long term solution, if he can hit simple passes at least they’ll be competitive this year, and you never know might even sneak back into the playoffs.  
 

rather have w competitive year than hoping arch figures it out the rest of this year with a fools hope for next.  

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