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Goredho last won the day on December 14 2018
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I bought the Boss PS-6 used from Reverb and I think it’s going to work great. Does just fine with harmonizations at common intervals assuming you set the key right, even tracks well across vibrato and bends. But beyond that, it’s a double pitch shifter that lets you bring multiple octaves in, and control how much dry/wet you get so you can make pseudo bass or 12 string sounds. Then it’s got a detune mode where you are shifting by cents with an LFO involved and it makes a really fine (not just passable) stereo chorus. And if that’s not enough, it’s got a whammy mode so you can kinda sorta do the Tom Morello thing. A few things that are likely not going to be ideal: 1) the interface and fonts are tiny, will be hard to tell what you are doing unless you get on your knees or memorize the layout. 2) if playing modally, you are going to need to transpose to the relative major scale. If you want to harmonize phrases from D mixolydian, you have to set the key to G major. If you know your modes, not a big deal. 3) Only supports the major scale and its modes. You aren’t going to harmonize a phrase from the harmonic minor scale. It’s definitely going to make the board. I will likely have it always set up to be a chorus, and I’ll use that a lot, then set for harmonizations or octaves for songs where that would be useful. Clip to hear what it all sounds like. IMG_1737.mov
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Yeah, prices are way down
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The soulless AI tune in question…
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Soon enough. I mean, there is already a billboard charting AI artist, it’s just not the type of music cover bands are typically playing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/ai-artist-xania-monet-radio-billboard-chart-9.6967542
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The secret to tone is a bag of Quikrete shoved into an open back cab.
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Cool thread. What did you do to get involved?
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Considering a pedal for guitar harmonizations. Think Allman Brothers “Blue Sky”, “Hotel California” or anything by Wishbone Ash. Anyone have any experience with these or something else that gives you good harmonizations live?
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Yeah, I just know some captures are better than others, so I think there is something more than just plug-in and capture.
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Obviously, AI can't replicate a live performance witnessed live. So live music is alive and well, and maybe the artificiality of AI generated recorded music will see a golden age of live music. A greater appreciation for the "performance" part of "performance art." Digital artifacts generated by humans and AI will eventually be largely indistinguishable. So let go of the idea that digital musical artifacts are going to amount to anything other than training data for the next iteration of AI models, and embrace what AI can't replicate -- that magic that can happen when a good group of musicians are all on their game and feeding energy back and forth with a captive and engaged audience.
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That's cool, let me know how it goes and how easy it is. My brother still has a house full of nice amps, and I've been thinking I ought to get the capture hardware to see if I can capture them all.
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Fair enough, but I think we are not far from the point where the average music consumer won't be able to tell the difference between a digital music artifact having been produced through a human performance or generated by AI.
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A vocalist (singer/songwriter type) I have worked with has sent me a track I am going to see if I can share. He wrote the lyrics, and delegated everything else to Suno Studio, including the human vocal performance. It is objectively very good. Could I tell it's AI if I didn't know it up front? Probably, but primarily because the vocal vibrato is always exact, and there are a couple vocal lines where I think a human would have to take a breath. But is it good enough that I think the average music consumer won't be able to tell the difference or care even if they could? Also probably. The vocalist in question is now basically writing lyrics only, using Suno to produce high quality song demos with no human involvement other than specifying the lyrics and vaguely describing the track, and then refining the individual tracks/stems via prompt in Suno. After he has the lyrics complete, it takes him an hour to produce a very high quality demo without having to pay a recording studio, mix engineer or session musicians to realize it. This will be his MO going forward, shotgunning these tunes as a songwriter to Nashville artists.
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All the guitar sounds in these two recordings are made using a Tonex pedal + analog dirt pedals up front. Modulation, delay and reverb provided in DAW after tracking. To my ear, the Tonex is objectively very good at producing amp+cablike tones. The biggest thing is that it responds like a tube amp to the dirt pedals I have in front of it and to my playing. I have no idea if my Vox AC30 Tonex capture is 100% dead on accurate with a real 1963 Vox AC30, but I do know that I personally can't tell that I am not playing a decent tube amp.
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I typically don't need additional monitoring. The few times I have, it was a big enough venue with a fancy enough PA that they could route my PA signal to a personal stage monitor at my feet. I have not needed to, but I could go from my pedalboard to that cool music thingamajig and from there out to PA and monitor myself through it while the mix is sent from PA to FOH.
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