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  1. I heard the band loud and clear on TV. Better than you normally hear the opposing band.
  2. When I was in school OU did it some, but it was mainly aggy. I don't remember it from anybody else. I don't know who started it, but its a very aggy thing to do.
  3. No. Afterwards, I was watching the Cal-Auburn game with my son (who goes to Auburn). That put me to sleep! I don't imagine too many of you were watching, but it was like watching Iowa play itself.
  4. This fits since it is one of the potential liabilities of the Pac 12.
  5. WSU and OSU feeding off the rest while barely being P level was punitive. They all sought their best interest and made more money than if they stayed with the Beavers and new window Cougars. Almost nobody has been as vindictive as the CAA. I thought they were being total assholes. They were assholes when JMU voted with the majority to do it to others and they were assholes when they voted to do it to JMU. If Oregon St. and Washington St. tried to exclude everyone else from the ccg, the P4, ESPN and Fox would make their continued existence in FBS very, very difficult.
  6. "Soon after Implosion Friday across the Pac-12, Washington State president Kirk Schulz identified the most immediate task: Determining which schools had voting rights and control of the conference’s assets. “We think there will be some clarity around governance issues in the next two weeks,” he told the Hotline. One month later, clarity has not emerged. Stanford and Cal have fled to the ACC. Only Washington State and Oregon State remain, and they still don’t have the answers needed to take the next step, whether it’s reforming the Pac-12 or joining the Mountain West. “I’m frustrated that we haven’t gotten the information as quickly as we had hoped,” OSU athletic director Scott Barnes told Oregonlive.com last weekend. “It is trickling in. We need to get that buttoned down.” The Hotline sought answers from the conference office. Why is it taking so long to determine the assets, liabilities and governing control? The Pac-12 declined to comment. What is the process and who’s involved? The Pac-12 declined to comment. When might full clarity emerge? The Pac-12 declined to comment. The same radio silence that defined the Pac-12’s messaging strategy throughout the media rights negotiations is at work in this endeavor. Which is fine — the conference isn’t obligated to share information with the media. But it’s required to assist Washington State, Oregon State and the outgoing schools by any means necessary. And once again, headquarters has failed to execute at the necessary level. “Any well-run business should, within 48 hours, have the most up-to-date profit-and-loss statement, balance sheet and liabilities and assets,” an industry source said. “At the latest, they should have had this at the end of August, knowing the odds were pretty good Stanford and Cal were leaving.” Are the finances so messy, the bylaws so vague, that the experts are struggling to understand the critical details? “The conference has been so poorly managed for so long on so many levels,’’ a source said...." Fitting with the incompetence we have seen in the Pac 12. https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/09/07/pac-12-legal-delay-wsu-and-osu-hoped-to-proceed-quickly-but-conference-office-slow-to-move/
  7. Hopefully they drop the number. Just be the PAC. We've already got the Big 10 who had 12 for a long time and now is moving to 18, the Big 12 who had 10 for a long time and now is moving to 16 and the Atlantic 10 who keeps changing schools but hasn't had 10 in a long time.
  8. I think Washington and Oregon were always sure things. The only question was timing. This contract or the next.
  9. I think UNC is overrated in realignment. Their basketball is top 5 (UK, KU, Duke, UCLA, UNC) They are in the largest state without at least an SEC or Big 10 school in a metro (Rutgers is NYC metro). Those are big pluses. But in football, which is 80% of the value, they don't add anything. They are an even number addition. You add someone else and get the even number with UNC. You don't add just for UNC if you are the Big 10 or SEC. I think Clemson is underrated. They fill an 80k seat stadium. They have 3 MNCs. They are clearly one of the top 15-20 football programs of the last 50-60 years. They have even more value in the CFP era than they did before. They will be a relatively regular participant. Notre Dame and FSU are sure things. But Clemson is every bit as valuable as Washington and Oregon.
  10. Beavers still in limbo: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/oregon-state-ad-scott-barnes-says-he-s-frustrated-with-speed-of-clarity-over-pac-12-assets/ar-AA1gf9SS Pac 12 can't even tell them what assets they have. “"...When you look at potential assets that we hold, whether it’s autonomy and Power 5 status, the Pac-12 Network or whatever the balance sheet looks like in the end, that helps drive decisions,” Barnes said. In the meantime, “we’re scenario planning. We’re not just waiting. But ultimately, to inform a final decision, it’s important we know about the Pac-12 assets,” he said. Asked if Oct. 1 is a reasonable deadline for a decision on Pac-12 assets, Barnes said “yeah, that’s not unreasonable.” What is delaying a decision? “You’ll have to ask the Pac-12 that,” Barnes said. “I keep asking. It’s been a slow process, a frustrating process.” What are the options? One is a straight merger with Mountain West. Another is a reverse merger where the Mountain West lands under the Pac-12 umbrella. A third is Oregon State and Washington State going the route of a “Pac-2″ for two years. NCAA by-laws allow a conference two years to rebuild to at least eight schools. <<<my note: NCAA rules require at least 6 members to keep the basketball autobid>>> By waiting two years, the cost to acquire Pac-12 expansion schools falls dramatically. The Mountain West’s media rights contract ends after the 2025-26 year. American Athletic (AAC) schools must give 27 months notice before leaving. Barnes said Oregon State could find a way to fill a 12-game football schedule for two years if necessary. “Not easy, but if we had to fill a schedule, it would take comprehensive moves, but we could,” Barnes said. “We’ve vetted it with experts and we know there’s a potential path.” Barnes added that this isn’t necessarily the preferred path, just an option. Barnes confirmed that talks with the AAC have ceased. He said it was a mutual decision, largely because of extensive travel. But Barnes also said that “we’ll continue to pound on doors” regarding possible alliances, including Power 5 conferences."
  11. TSU is Texas Southern, the HBCU in Houston.
  12. Davey was probably the only 5'7" guy to win a Heisman or to lead the NFL in passing. He was pretty tough.
  13. TCU lost a load of starters. It was a very junior-senior laden team last year.
  14. It looks the same way the last 10 years. As for recruiting, who knows. But then has TCU had a top 15 recruiting rating, ever? There are only about 20 schools who have the capability to run a string of top 15 ratings.
  15. You're behind. Texas St. is in the Sun Belt and has been FBS for a decade.
  16. I know you hate the R8, but you didn't address my points. 2022 Massey composite: 1 SEC 32.65 2 Big 12 39.09 3 Big 10 47.67 4 Pac 12 49.85 5 ACC 53.94 Take out UT 17, OU 43 and add Cincy 39, UCF 42, UH 57 and BYU 59 and the Big 12 average is 44. Still in 2nd. Throw in Utah 11, Arizona 71, ASU 95 and CU 119 lowers it to 51.5, but ACC is adding SMU 63, Cal 79 and Stanford 92 lowering theirs to 58.2, still well below. Except for KU, the bottom half of the Big 12 can beat you on a given day. Same isn't true of the ACC. Clemson being really good doesn't change the bottom half of the ACC being bad. Kentucky and Florida making several trips to the final 4 doesn't make the SEC 14 a good basketball conference.
  17. For at least the last 5 years, SMU has been spending more than any G5 program but UConn and sometimes BYU. In 2019-20 they were #68 just behind WSU and ahead of Houston and $7.5 million ahead of #70 Memphis. Hasn't translated into great success, but they have been spending.
  18. The ACC has pretty consistently been well behind the Big 12 in average strength in both football and basketball for a number of years. The additions probably balance OU and UT in basketball in the short run as both of us have been down. So basketball stays the same. The Big 12 will drop in football strength, but its not clear it will drop below the ACC. While Clemson has been great, despite UT's struggles, we do have a better record than the Seminoles, Canes and Hokies over the last 6 years.
  19. https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--how-the-accs-contentious-back-and-forth-expansion-deal-ultimately-got-done-170122627.html ACC was trying to go full Big 10, negotiating with AU, ASU, UU as well as Cal and Stanford when AU/ASU/UU lost patience.
  20. They go to the team that earned them. 5 or 6 years ago, if you lost half your members it went to the team that earned them, but apparently they changed that rule (at least I've seen it stated lots of times that WSU/OSU can keep them). Seems like as long as you have a member, reload members and don't dissolve, you keep the credits. With the Big East they had to reach an agreement on where the credits went (to the remaining 3). At that point I remember the rule would have sent it back to the schools that earned them without that agreement. The NCAA bb money gets distributed over 6 years, so you've got a good chunk still due the conference.
  21. Like I said earlier in the thread-jumping the shark. But hey, its good for Dallas hotels and restaurants.
  22. No. I was saddened by the end of the SWC. I still have the cup from the last SWC game. After watching UT finish off A&M on TV I went over to Rice Stadium to watch the last half of the UH-Rice game in 1995. I was happy when TCU and UH made it back to the big time. I wish the best for Rice, although they really need to stay out of the big time. They are in a good place now. Don't have any sympathy for SMU. Their death penalty hastened the end of the SWC and created a scandal plagued 80s in the conference.
  23. Someone said there was a Stanford professor who proclaimed himself a media expert, so that is a possibility (president said a professor told him they should be worth $50 million was the story).
  24. UNC has never met an expansion they liked. Duke hadn't previously.
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