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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The TexAgs Thread

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I think this is kind of interesting. Two viewpoints are laid out. I'm not being ironic or absurd for once.

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What do we think about the Aggies advancing their program? Seriously.

I tend to agree with Sunray Ag. But maybe I'm underrating their record and playoff appearance. I think beating ND and LSU merely showed that they can win an away game. I'll ignore the controversial hold against ND. I don't think that moves the needle at all to anyone who isn't an Aggie. LSU sucked, but it was a big victory margin.

The playoff is expanded, but they would have made them anyway. I don't think there is any anticipation of them being a constant presence in the playoffs from here on out.

On the other hand, I'm not exactly neutral or any kind of a football genius. I don't think the A&M program can be considered advanced until they actually consistently achieve something that turns heads. Had they crushed us or Miami, I think they could say they're program has advanced as that would be a real improvement over last year instead of just sort of an improvement.

Any opinions? Let's try to take a sober look at the Texas A&M University Fightin' Texas Aggies.

This will probably die quickly as do any thread I ever start. Humiliating, to tell you the truth.

I respectfully invite @aggie08 @956 Worldwide & any other regular Aggie posters here to share their opinions. They're smart guys.

It’s not realistic to talk about any program taking a step forward or backward until portal dust settles at this point. No one will know if you’re this year’s Indiana or this year’s ASU.

A few things that IMO are indisputable:

  • We haven’t won 10 plus games in over a decade and son getting to 11 is an important milestone.

  • The SEC schedule shook out very favorably for us, although most pundits thought it was going to be very challenging when the season kicked off.

  • It is very hard in college football to simply win all your games against teams that you have more talent than; and that’s been especially true for A&M. We did not suffer a genuine upset much less more than one, which has not been true for years.

  • Under Elko, A&M has demonstrated intelligent and impactful use of the portal which is key for any team looking to win big.

  • The players on the roster next year will match up decently against any team in the SEC.

  • Elko got outcoached by Sark again and also we had a second year in a row where Reed devolved over home stretch of a season. The Klein replacement is going to be a key test.

  • For a guy who preaches culture and disciplined football, he put a team on the field that drew tons of truly stupid penalties, idiot special teams, and undisciplined play on both sides of the ball.

Bottom line: A set of ingredients are there for A&M to regularly contend for the CFP under the current and planned future formats. If Elko can simply continue avoiding the usual 1-2 bad upsets past Aggie teams were always good for, he is already down the road of getting there.

It remains to be seen if he can elevate those ingredients beyond that, or even recreate this season’s real successes. All of us have had experience really nailing a dish and never doing it again. IMO he is on far better footing than Jimbo or Sumlin.

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22 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s not realistic to talk about any program taking a step forward or backward until portal dust settles at this point. No one will know if you’re this year’s Indiana or this year’s ASU.

A few things that IMO are indisputable:

  • We haven’t won 10 plus games in over a decade and son getting to 11 is an important milestone.

  • The SEC schedule shook out very favorably for us, although most pundits thought it was going to be very challenging when the season kicked off.

  • It is very hard in college football to simply win all your games against teams that you have more talent than; and that’s been especially true for A&M. We did not suffer a genuine upset much less more than one, which has not been true for years.

  • Under Elko, A&M has demonstrated intelligent and impactful use of the portal which is key for any team looking to win big.

  • The players on the roster next year will match up decently against any team in the SEC.

  • Elko got outcoached by Sark again and also we had a second year in a row where Reed devolved over home stretch of a season. The Klein replacement is going to be a key test.

  • For a guy who preaches culture and disciplined football, he put a team on the field that drew tons of truly stupid penalties, idiot special teams, and undisciplined play on both sides of the ball.

Bottom line: A set of ingredients are there for A&M to regularly contend for the CFP under the current and planned future formats. If Elko can simply continue avoiding the usual 1-2 bad upsets past Aggie teams were always good for, he is already down the road of getting there.

It remains to be seen if he can elevate those ingredients beyond that, or even recreate this season’s real successes. All of us have had experience really nailing a dish and never doing it again. IMO he is on far better footing than Jimbo or Sumlin.

I mean I hate to say this as a person that defended the KY and MSU wins as part of the playoff debate, that they were not as relevant as the wins vs the good teams. You guys almost had that loss this season to SC, I think the key difference is that it was late in the season and future losses did prove it was a rabbit out of your hat moment, a completely magical unreality. And it really was a loss.

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2 minutes ago, linux said:

I mean I hate to say this as a person that defended the KY and MSU wins as part of the playoff debate, that they were not as relevant as the wins vs the good teams. You guys almost had that loss this season to SC, I think the key difference is that it was late in the season and future losses did prove it was a rabbit out of your hat moment, a completely magical unreality. And it really was a loss.

No, losses are losses and wins are wins. Almost doesn’t count for anything either way— whether it’s an almost win or not. Georgia had that insane come from 17 points down behind 8 OT win against Georgia Tech. Many such cases.

There were multiple almost catches and almost plays in the Miami game. If Rueben Owen’s hangs on to a clear catch it’s in OT. But he didn’t and it’s a loss, period.

Very good teams have some wins that they “shouldn’t” have had. Only a very few great teams clearly beat everyone up.

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No, losses are losses and wins are wins. Almost doesn’t count for anything either way— whether it’s an almost win or not. Georgia had that insane come from 17 points down behind 8 OT win against Georgia Tech. Many such cases.

There were multiple almost catches and almost plays in the Miami game. If Rueben Owen’s hangs on to a clear catch it’s in OT. But he didn’t and it’s a loss, period.

Very good teams have some wins that they “shouldn’t” have had. Only a very few great teams clearly beat everyone up.

"W are W" is not true when it comes with determining the health of a program.

4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It is very hard in college football to simply win all your games against teams that you have more talent than; and that’s been especially true for A&M. We did not suffer a genuine upset much less more than one, which has not been true for years.

Absolutely true. It is a point in favor of suggesting A&M is making progress.

Thanks for your other points as well.

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