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  1. 59 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


    They’ve missed the memo on civil disobedience. Causing a disruption, in violation of the law, IS a protest technique. It has some validity and power. It also has consequences. Mature and rational protestors should acknowledge both.
    My wife has participated in two significant clergy-based demonstrations (both connected to immigration issues). There was a large meeting the day before. Areas, plans, and protocols were discussed in detail. Individuals who planned/were willing to be arrested (and to engage in the sit-in behavior that would get them arrested) were given red wrist bands. And the march organizers discussed the plan with law enforcement beforehand. The cops knew what would be done, knew they would be making arrests, and knew there would be no violent resistance to those arrests (the protestors would go limp and allow themselves to be carried away). The statement was made. Images of cops arresting clergy went out, making a point. And nobody was actually harmed. That’s how grownups do civil disobedience. The protestors didn’t claim to own the Capitol rotunda. They didn’t tell the police “you can’t arrest us for breaking the law,” and physically resist when they tried to do so.
    Naive, uneducated and inexperienced idealistic kids (and seriously, that comes standard with the “18-22 year old” package, regardless of political leaning) don’t get that. So, they do some really unwise and stupid shit, which actually ends up hurting themselves and their cause.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    All of this.

    You want to get arrested in the name of your cause, by all means. It falls clearly into civil disobedience and is a well known form of protest.

    You want to restrict movement of another group of people, counter protestors or bystanders, you're now impending on THEIR rights.

    You fight back against people defending their rights or they fight you for theirs, that's in the game.

    Either or boths sides gets injured or arrested for those actions, it's in the game. 

    You signed up for this, and if you aren't prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions don't play the game.

    Because it isn't a game at all and there are repercussions to your actions. 

    As there should be.

    In my youth I was a part of Anti-Racist Actions which ultimately morphed into Antifa. (It's a long complex morph but that's the short version)

    As a group we actively went out and faced down with physical aggression groups of neo-nazis who were staking claim to specific areas, most notably the up and coming Deep Ellum at the time.

    I put my hands on people and they put their hands on me. Had the police caught the activity I would have gone to jail and likely been charged.

    I made the choice to face down folks that were staking claim to a give "space" and issuing their rhetoric and propaganda. They were also issues they crested of violence regarding "unwanted" folks in that space.

    I was 15. I knew my life, health and freedom were all at stake. 

    I made choices. I don't regret them.

    I never went to police before or after, that was my choice.

    It's not a game, and the rules are known.

  2. 5 minutes ago, immamac said:

    So when is the surly protest of sobriety event? 

    Is it well funded and organized? Is the surly sober brigade counter protest also well funded and organized?

    I'm available to the highest bidder as long as no engineers are involved.

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  3. 3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

    So you went to SWTx?

    On Friday or Saturday?? Frequently.

    Edit - Speaking of.. that is a location where I'd be more than happy to join a protest. These organizers are doing it wrong.

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  4. 5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    It may be a lost art, but I'm not sure it's really a word. it's like "gifted" IMO. Why use focusness when one can use 'focus' or gifted when one can use the various forms of 'give'?

    As in I gave, you gave, we have given....

    We are descending into grammar chaos and it's so sad.

    I will not suffer the tyrannical oppression of a grammar nazi!

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323449136_Focusness_Extraction_from_Images_for_Automatic_Camera_Control_by_Measuring_Objectness

    Focusness Extraction from Images for Automatic Camera Control by Measuring Objectness

    Screenshot_20240503_194117_Chrome.thumb.jpg.35a80c4ce9876dc6e5b068f3acfbeeed.jpg

  5. 57 minutes ago, mdmost said:

    You dildos could fly right by that comment and not make it an issue. But nope, like moths to a flame. Like Deion and his kid when someone says anything negative about them. 

    I come here for my PrimeTime Telenovela and I'll be damn if I'll let the fucking election debates interrupt my reading pleasure. Dammit!!!

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  6. 2 hours ago, irishtexan said:

    Being principled in roster building and NIL is more important in the long term.

    Not just one year. This shit is for the next ten years. Focusness, bitches.

    Sadly, way too many people in way too many ways lack any ability to look past the immediate squirrel in the room. They become fixated on a single aspect of a subject or goal and have zero ability to understand  the long term picture at all.

    And just drive down any road anywhere USA to be made fully aware that focusness is a lost art. 

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  7. 30 minutes ago, utee94 said:

    Absolute best thread on the surl right now.

    Again with the anti-engineering hate speech?  You can not oppress my people.  We will survive.  We will THRIVE.

    E E, M E, even silly chemisty

    Engineers must be set free

    We have brains we have might

    Engineers will win the fight 

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  8. 7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    I've seen some speculation, with no proof I should add, that funding and direction could be coming from foreign sources who'd like to see American discord during an election year.

    That and/or internal forces with specific agendas (probably on both sides) would be the best bet.  

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  9. 6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    Yeah, I can't remember where I posted my views (maybe in the national thread). At this point, the protests have largely become a distraction from their original purpose, with all sides—protest leaders, college presidents, and politicians alike—now mostly seeking clout among their various supporters, peers, and constituencies. The protests have become more about the protests themselves.

    I sadly agree, and of course this being 'Murica the various sides are lining up the usual rhetoric and the social media propaganda machines are cranking up on both sides. Meanwhile, an issue that truly deserves national attention is being basically ignored. 

    At this point, I really just hope it doesn't spin up into another national tragedy, but my hope is diminishing daily.

    I also don't think this is the last of its kind this year. It's become the political world we live in, and for that I'm greatly saddened. 

    I still would like to know who's really driving this ship on the protests. Not many are asking that question.

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  10. 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    @BurntEyes, your expectations of a bunch of 20-YO kids are wildly optimistic.

    I didn't organize these events. This isn't how I would have gone about it. 

    And we've gotten to the crux of the issue. 

    Just like Occupy and BLM protest got out of hand due to local and national leadership issues, so shall this.

  11. 58 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    Thanks for letting me know that it did happen -- I'm happy to hear that it was short-lived, given that it's such a divisive chant. Based on what I know from my Jewish friends, the poll results don't surprise me in the slightest. The bolded, of course, often gets lost among the simple-minded and the hateful. You only have to visit the national protest thread to see the evidence of that in abundance.

    I agree that the subject is nuanced. I also fund it interesting that if one is against the broad methodology of the protests they must therefore be Pro-Israel in the discussions here and elsewhere. Most here don't seem capable of having a nuanced discussion or admitting things that are counter to whichever side they are on.

    So, to be clear, I think protests to bring attention to what I feel was an overreaction by the Israeli Government is merited and fair. 

    As a person who grew up with a Jewish stepfather and Jewish siblings I think that ang such protests need to be extremely clear in both their intent and attendees. Yes, you can manage the attendance of your own protest if you chose to do so. I've seen it done in the past.

    I think the place and organizing of these protest and the criminal activities also involved are all counter productive the means of the protest. 

    It shouldn't be on universities, it should be better organized, the attendees should be better informed, it should be better self policed and that would create an environment that is more productive to the cause rather than drawing attention away from it. 

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  12. 47 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    Yes and so what?
     

    eta I am purposefully being flippant because your list of question is absurd given the nature of all that is going on. Are you really going to try to tell me that if you were planning a protest, you would have everyone sign a piece of paper, saying what they were for and against and you would be able to screen out the bad actors based on that?

    My questions are relevant and clear. I'm asked some very specific questions about YOUR views and you've chosen not to answer them. 

    I will however answer yours directly, despite having a post on this same page indicating my position.

    1) Were I leading a protest of any sort, ME, I would NOT violate any laws. 

    2) Were I leading a protest if would be at a time and place that engaged directly with the companies or government bodies that directly effected my cause.

    3) I would proactively have plans in place to make sure that any bad actors joining my protest were ultimately asked to leave or somehow be strongly encouraged to leave. Be it, by internal group request or law enforcement if necessary.

    4) If at, any point, I felt my efforts were counter to the ends of the protest and proactively drawing attention AWAY from the effort I would end them immediately.

    I would and have expected the same from every protest I've been a part of and any I might join in the future.

    This isn't that difficult. 

  13. 50 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    There is a huge difference. Some among the protestors are undoubtedly pro Hamas but it’s not a pro Hamas rally. You are making a false equivalence fallacy. Look at what the Israeli settlers have been doing and where they are expanding. Palestinians have legitimate claims. Now add in the crimes against humanity that the IDF is committing, and under whose umbrella they are committing them. Being against that is in no way anti semitic 

    Would you remain of the same mindset if rather than pro-Hamas it was Proud Boys joining? Are you willing to acknowledge that illegal activities are occurring above and beyond the protests?

    Do you condone the illegal activities?

    Do you acknowledge that pro-Hamas is antisemitic?

    Are you aware of any efforts by the Pro-Palestine activists to remove or distance themselves from the pro-hamas attendees?

    Do you acknowledge that the point of these activities both criminal and otherwise undermine the entire point and actually take attention away from the issue they and others wish to address?

  14. 3 hours ago, aggie08 said:

    How many of these cats do you wager have ever been inside an REI?

    Come on, you don't think any of these granola muching vegans ever make it to REI. 

    I mean, they probably can't afford shit, understandably so, but they've been to REi to shop for sandals at least.

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  15. 15 minutes ago, CoTex said:

    Ok, I'll bite.

    If there was a pro-nazi protest at UT, and I went and joined the protest and screamed and waived flags and fucked with people, what would you call me?

    and then

    If there was a pro-Putin rally at UT, and I went and joined the rally and screamed and waived flags and fucked with people, what would you call me?

    and then

    If there was a pro-Kim Jong Il march at UT, and I went and marched and screamed and waived flags and fucked with people, what you you call me?
     

    I'm guessing I wouldn't survive that stretch without being almost uniformly labeled a nazi, fascist, communist, geoncidist, war criminal, and probably some other shit.  Rightfully so.  You march with the nazis, I'm calling you a nazi.

    So, if you go and protest and what not and you're protesting for a group of people that voted for leaders that say things like "Israel has no right to exist," (and I don't have a citation but it's out there), I think it's fair to say you're "anti-those people."  If you don't want to call it "antisemitic," then why don't you try on "anti-jewish" or "anti-Israeli." 

    From where I'm sitting in Texas, there's not much difference.  You want the people that won the war and got the land to give back the land and go the fuck away, or die, and you'll protest and maybe more to accomplish the goal.

    I see this a bit differently and will provide an example of how I view these protests which I think is more accurate.

    Let's say there is a 2nd amendment protest scheduled. I support the 2nd amendment. I want to go to this rally. The point of the rally is to specifically voice discontent with State policy regarding an upcoming bill before the state. 

    First, I learn they are holding the rally on a campus. (I would ask the founders why it's not at the capital). Next I find out a lot of students are planning on joining. (This would seem odd to me as 2nd amendment rights don't tend to be popular among college students, so I'd ask why)

    Then I find out these students are primarily fraternity folks. Hmmm.. well...

    As the protest starts the plan changes from a protest to deciding to take over a building on campus.

    Beyond that, the "college students from fraternities joining" are Proud Boy folks.

    If I elected to STILL attend said rally (which I absolutely wouldn't and would actually be against, for the record) I could, hypothetically argue I'm not a racist, and I'm just here because I support the 2nd amendment. However, my attendance is likely going to get me labeled a racist, criminal and idiot. 

    Rightfully so, even though I don't specifically support those, I'm showing up and being a part of a rally that commits criminal acts and DOES support them. 

    Granted, I could argue the rally got co-opted, but if I knew before or saw during any of these developments, then the resulting issues regarding my reputation are entirely on me and fully deserved.

    Oh, and nobody even knows or is aware of the bill that I was against to start with regarding the 2nd amendment. Nobody is even talking about it. They are talking about the Proud Boys and their criminal activities, with which I'm now associated.

    That's on me.

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