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Hank Kingsley

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  1. 4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    So all she has to do is write down some original detailed plan for you to believe her?  That’s your bar?  Anyone can do that and be completely full of shit.  

    /facepalm

    And you fully believe her just because she says it? 

     

     

  2. 2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    You just can’t take yes for an answer is what it is.  You are on the “keep proving it” treadmill. 

    She's a politician, Hugo. And the only top candidate who hasn't released a detailed healthcare plan yet. 

    Also, Kamala co-sponsored Bernie's M4A bill as well. Then she came out with her own plan that varies greatly from Bernie's. Excuse me for not just taking her word for it based on saying the words Medicare For All. We've already been burned once. 

     

  3. BTW, there are 2 reasons I think Warren will soften her stance on M4A. 

    1. My bullshit detector goes off with her evasiveness of the middle class tax cut question and her very carefully worded language when discussing even the broadest detail of M4A.  

    2. If she's really not concerned about the details and the goal is to move the Overton Window (as Hugo alludes to), then she is obviously not a strong advocate for M4A. Therefore she won't be willing to lose a general election over it and will pivot if/when she goes against Trump. 

     

  4. 2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Everyone gets coverage, no need for private insurance.  No one goes bankrupt because they get sick.  Mental health should be covered but not a dealbreaker.  

    What I think most people miss about this is it’s not about the details of the plan at this point.  It’s about popularizing the IDEA of Medicare-for-All of among the electorate.  If you get a big movement behind a bold idea, you dramatically increase the likelihood of getting the idea passed into law.  That’s what Warren is doing and why the Berners criticizing her for it are counterproductive.  She’s making Bernie’s idea MORE popular.  They should welcome that but they don’t because they’re a cult.  

    Warren is trying to move the Overton Window on healthcare.  IIRC she’s a co-sponsor of Bernie MFA plan so that’s the plan. 

    Thanks.

    Hopefully she releases her detailed healthcare plan soon. 

     

  5. Ok, Hugo. Let's put the cards on the table. 

    Do you thing Warren's healthcare plan will be similar to Bernie's? Single payer? Mental health covered? Private insurance only available for elective, non-medically necessary procedures? 4 year transition? 

    Just want to make sure you don't pivot the meaning of M4A before she does. 

     

     

  6. Just now, bad_teammate said:

    So the fact that it's a weakness is only relevant in terms of how it affects the horserace?

    Is there anything at all that matters about any of this beyond the horserace?

    I agree with you that we haven't heard much from Warren regarding foreign policy. This is kind of the "horserace" thread. 

  7. 2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

    Tulsi is somehow the most mediocre Republican running for President. Including Trump. 

    It's pretty clear her goal is to create chaos within the Democratic Party. The bullshit about "lack of transparency" regarding polling requirements, specifically going after the top 2 female candidates, and she hasn't signed the pledge (no matter how stupid these things are) to back the eventual D nominee. 

    She 100% knows she has zero chance at the nomination. She's tired of the "divisiveness" in the country. Sure thing, Jan. 

     

  8. 9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Yeah, suburbanites just need the right salespeople, they’ll buy in if the pitch is effective. 

    It reminds me of a story Buttigieg has told when an older SB resident met Chasten (he and Pete were engaged at the time I believe) and told Pete she had met his "friend". 

    "Yeah. This is really important for us to think about as change is made, because we also need to make sure people feel good about themselves as they are dealing with a dizzying pace of change. I write about some people I knew, older people, maybe a little more conservative. One always sticks out in my mind—she came up to me with a mischievous smile and said, “I met your friend, and he’s wonderful.” Now, I could have lectured her on the difference between a friend and a partner, but that was her way of saying she was headed our way, and at a moment when we had been so divided, especially during the Pence administration, there was some risk of people on my side of the debate pointing fingers at people who just weren’t quite comfortable with acceptance yet and almost pushing them into the arms of the religious right.

    It was really important to beckon and welcome people onto the right side of history in a way that helped them feel good about themselves, even if they were still kind of gradually coming to terms with that. And I think that might have some lessons about some of the other issues where people my age and younger are very, very impatient to see change, but we’ve got to remember some of the places that the people on the other side are coming from. Especially if we ever want to win them over."

  9. 1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

    Anyone hinging their long-term vision on the eternal conversion of white suburbanites/professionals to progressive values is an idiot. They are on a temporary vacation because Trump is gross and dumb. Josh Hawley will having them baying for concentration camps in 2024.

    Long-term, I think how progressive values are presented to white suburbanites/professionals will determine when/if they eventually convert. 

     

  10. 3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

    I do not think Pence is >50% to win it all.

    A) His extreme social conservativism combined with embracing Trumpism is going to further turn off moderate suburban women.  

    B) The Trumpkin base will be PISSED and unmotivated.  They don't vote for Republicans - they vote for Trump.  I can see them sitting it out altogether or leaving the top line blank.  

    C) Mike Pence inspires literally nobody.  He has the charisma of a pencil eraser.  

    E) Mike Pence is not going to turn out blue collar WWC voters to vote Republican in the Midwest.  

    I generally agree. But I don't think we know for sure how Trumpublicans would react to Pence. They could walk away or fully jump on board depending on how it would unfold.  

     

  11. 14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

    Here we go...

     

    Quoting my own post here...

    "Right now M4A is a framework, and it doesn't have the details.."

    "lot of work to figure out the transition"

     

    Like I've been saying, she is not "with Bernie on Medicare For All".  He has a very specific plan with clear transition timelines. She is co-opting the title and will pivot to her own, softer version. I'm sure I will LIKE her plan, but the deception is not good. 

     

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