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Hank Kingsley

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  1. 9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Yeah, suburbanites just need the right salespeople, they’ll buy in if the pitch is effective. 

    It reminds me of a story Buttigieg has told when an older SB resident met Chasten (he and Pete were engaged at the time I believe) and told Pete she had met his "friend". 

    "Yeah. This is really important for us to think about as change is made, because we also need to make sure people feel good about themselves as they are dealing with a dizzying pace of change. I write about some people I knew, older people, maybe a little more conservative. One always sticks out in my mind—she came up to me with a mischievous smile and said, “I met your friend, and he’s wonderful.” Now, I could have lectured her on the difference between a friend and a partner, but that was her way of saying she was headed our way, and at a moment when we had been so divided, especially during the Pence administration, there was some risk of people on my side of the debate pointing fingers at people who just weren’t quite comfortable with acceptance yet and almost pushing them into the arms of the religious right.

    It was really important to beckon and welcome people onto the right side of history in a way that helped them feel good about themselves, even if they were still kind of gradually coming to terms with that. And I think that might have some lessons about some of the other issues where people my age and younger are very, very impatient to see change, but we’ve got to remember some of the places that the people on the other side are coming from. Especially if we ever want to win them over."

  2. 1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

    Anyone hinging their long-term vision on the eternal conversion of white suburbanites/professionals to progressive values is an idiot. They are on a temporary vacation because Trump is gross and dumb. Josh Hawley will having them baying for concentration camps in 2024.

    Long-term, I think how progressive values are presented to white suburbanites/professionals will determine when/if they eventually convert. 

     

  3. 3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

    I do not think Pence is >50% to win it all.

    A) His extreme social conservativism combined with embracing Trumpism is going to further turn off moderate suburban women.  

    B) The Trumpkin base will be PISSED and unmotivated.  They don't vote for Republicans - they vote for Trump.  I can see them sitting it out altogether or leaving the top line blank.  

    C) Mike Pence inspires literally nobody.  He has the charisma of a pencil eraser.  

    E) Mike Pence is not going to turn out blue collar WWC voters to vote Republican in the Midwest.  

    I generally agree. But I don't think we know for sure how Trumpublicans would react to Pence. They could walk away or fully jump on board depending on how it would unfold.  

     

  4. 14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

    Here we go...

     

    Quoting my own post here...

    "Right now M4A is a framework, and it doesn't have the details.."

    "lot of work to figure out the transition"

     

    Like I've been saying, she is not "with Bernie on Medicare For All".  He has a very specific plan with clear transition timelines. She is co-opting the title and will pivot to her own, softer version. I'm sure I will LIKE her plan, but the deception is not good. 

     

  5. 1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

    Cool man, I don't know about you but I'm sure he's got this thumb on the pulse of working and middle class voters.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2019/08/05/here-are-the-democratic-presidential-candidates-with-the-most-donations-from-billionaires/#4f74dabb4c15

     

    Through Q2, Pete raised around $16 million from small donations (less than $200). Warren $17 million, Bernie around $28 million. 

    It's your right to assume Pete is being controlled by the big, bad billionaires. But the above is just a worn out talking point. 

     

  6. 1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

    So, by that logic, all the other campaign attacks on one another is punching down. That's insane, going after their supporters is punching down, this is at best going after someone who clearly has pivoted to big moneyed interests and isn't trying to represent the majority of this country.

    A total of 94k from employees of four different companies with a max donation of $2800 is "pivoting to big moneyed interests"? He's raised over $32 million. 

  7. 5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

    lmao.  The media would go apeshit if Bernie attacked Liz!, and in exchange Liz! would get even more fawning coverage while Bernie would be portrayed even more negatively than he currently is.  It would be 2016 all over again.

    He doesn't need to "attack" her, just clearly show the differences between their policies and campaigns. 

    Even staunchly pro-Bernie leftist media have taken it very easy on Warren. That will change soon, but it might be too late. 

     

  8. 1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

    Lots and lots of Bernie supporters who aren't poisoning their brains on twitter: I very much like Bernie and think he represents the working class the best, but Warren wouldn't be a bad second choice.

    You sound like Hugo now.

    Oh please. Sirota works for Bernie and Fozzz is coming in hot with McKinsey bullshit this morning. Just having some fun. 

     

  9. 1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Is it normal for campaigns to buy $10,000,000 in TV ads fourth months out from the first caucus? 

    Warren’s 3rd quarter fundraising numbers must be a monster. 

    It seems aggressive, but keeps in line with her spending strategy so far. Which is working out well.

    And I agree her 3Q total must be big. 

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