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  1. 2 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

    What you wrote:

    What I read:

    Apology accepted; not my Surly Forum so I don't make the rules, but you could at least beef in the board thread instead of going on a multi thread argument. I can't help but picture Ulysses Everett McGill and Vernon T. Waldrip fighting. I leave it up to the two of you to decide which character you are.

    Peace.

    Hahaha. You are one of the good ones here; I think I'll miss you most.

    No, I'll miss @bad_teammate the most of all.

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  2. 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    My Aunt posted this on FB in response to a post about celebrating the diversity in everyone's background:

    I get tired of her FOX-y obsessions and sometimes can't refrain from responding:

    Her response was utterly predictable:

     

     

    Once they're bought in, there is no turning back.

    Your example I think is a good one to illustrate how Americans these days are talking past each other, instead of communicating.

    It seems to me that there is a problem in definitions. When people who have a problem with "CRT" are saying "CRT is in our schools and sucks let's ban it!" they are not using CRT as a technical or academic term, which I would argue is pedantic and not hearing what people are saying, but rather looking for a way to disqualify what is being said.

    We know that in the science of language and words (linguistics), language changes over time.

    In the modern world where technology has enabled hyper-connectivity and communication, two points:

    1). Language change is extremely fast. Whereas in the past it could take generations, language change between communities and populations is extremely mutable.

    2). Language change is often socially problematic. Long before divergent dialects lose mutual intelligibility completely, they begin to show difficulties and inefficiencies in communication, especially under noisy or stressful conditions. 

    So when people like your aunt (or most people who have a problem with CRT in public schools or whatever) are talking about CRT, they aren't talking about the academic framework, they are talking about something that is attacking their identity and worldview and social capital-- something that aims to help and enable and pull up the underrepresented minority, at the expense of the historically represented and powerful anglo.

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  3. On 4/7/2018 at 1:34 AM, Dbeasy said:

    I’m in the process of identifying a new company to start, and would love to hear about ideas in this area. 

    3 years later how did this new company go or did it ever get off the ground?

  4. 11 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

    When red states elect Dems, this is what you get I guess. Corruption in Manchin and incompetence in Sinema.

    I hadn't though too deeply about this but it's a great point. A Dem in a red state is not going to be the same sub-species as a Dem in a blue state. We can't really expect that unless we are being naive or irrational, right?

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  5. 11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    I mean, you're lying, so at least you stay on brand.

    Matters on which I have admitted, in this very board, completely changing my take on over the past 20 years or so:

    Trickle down economics (a concept I once bought, thinking it made sense....real-world efforts at applying it demonstrated otherwise)

    Universal healthcare (used to favor the US model, now think that there are dozens of models we should look to in order to provide basic healthcare to all)

    War in Iraq (I supported it, because I still thought that we could pull off nation-building.  No excuse for that one, I was stupid).

    Ryan Leaf should have been the #1 pick in the '98 NFL draft, not Peyton Manning (Leaf looked to have better tools, didn't account for how much of a headcase he was)

    And plenty of others.

    I have watched things evolve, and learned from them.  I see a shitload of gray.  For fuck's sake, I have been one of the loudest voices on "everything is some shade of gray, no major issues have simple solutions, they are complex problems that involve a lot of nuance."

    So, you know, pretty much the exact opposite of what you are saying.  Because you are a troll.  You disseminate and support partisan bullshit, all while disingenuously CLAIMING not to.  But the proof is in your posting.

    I'm comfortable with my posting record.  And I'm comfortable criticizing yours.  Lots of inner peace on that front.

    Out of respect to whigs, let's take this offline. 

    Sorry @Mrs Whiggins for being a distraction here; I hadn't read the thread and got pulled offsides impulsively. Didn't mean to derail, I was planning on not posting anymore but in order to minimize continued fall-out please nobody respond to my briskettexan hate.

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  6. 14 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

    This is what we’ve been saying, dude.  And see my previous references to Jonathan Haight’s “The Righteous Mind,” which is a pretty good discussion on this topic.

    And the biggest nugget in there, from my perspective, is the discussion of “cognitive inflexibility:"

    Remember how the DT crowd constantly harps on and mocks our reference to "nuance," like when we note that their hot-button issues (e.g., "immigrants bad!  America good!") are actually complex and nuanced?  Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Cognitive inflexibility is, literally, deadly.  To people.  And to nations.  And here in River City, it's only getting worse, not better.  Remember how I say it only gets worse, and there is not bottom?  Read this piece.  Understand the end-points that the authors/experts consistently point to: violence, bloodshed, to the point of "cleansing."  This is where we are going.  And we are doing so at a full sprint.

    The craziest part of your entire post is not that I agree with you, but that (again, I repeat), you can't or won't see that YOU are one who is cognitively inflexible, yourself! You are married to a talk track and a narrative and every situation or conversation or discussion turns into a nail for which you can use your emotionally comforting hammer to strike. 

    I've posted before how your sloppy use of Dunning-Kruger Effect is wrong and a disservice to the term, to no real avail, but you are mostly guilty of Bulverism. 

    Unfortunately for your narcissism, you are not tragically unique in that regard on this site. You have plenty of company!

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    Bulverism

    Description: This is a combination of circular reasoning and the genetic fallacy. It is the assumption and assertion that an argument is flawed or false because of the arguer's suspected motives, social identity, or other characteristic associated with the arguer's identity.

    Logical Form:

    Person 1 makes argument X.

    Person 2 assumes person 1 must be wrong because of their suspected motives, social identity, or other characteristic associated with their identity.

    Therefore, argument X is flawed or not true.

     

     

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  7. 8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


    DC can’t hear you over the sound of his constant window-licking. This is our point.

    If I am a window licker than I am no better than you. That means that, like you, I lack even the most basic sense of self-awareness and am truly just an oblivious, sad, old person who is really and deeply in love with a narrative and constant talk track that makes me feel special and unique and less out of control to the world's going ons.

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  8. 2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    Who has to defend him? He's not a Republican. That's more than enough.

    Exhibit A of Naked Politics and Team Identity.

    I can't wait for Yang to build out his sizable consensus and third party option. 

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    The first decision facing the White House now is a strategic one. Should it try and squeeze as many programs as it can into a smaller reconciliation bill, using delayed implementation dates, early sunsets, and other accounting ploys to hold down the over-all price tag? (During the Administrations of George W. Bush and Donald Trump, Republicans successfully employed similar tactics to pass hefty tax cuts that primarily benefitted large corporations and the rich.) Or should Biden try to focus the bill on a handful of his top priorities, insuring that these programs get adequately funded for longer, an approach that would make it harder for Republicans to roll them back in a future Congress? The first option may well be the easiest to sell to individual Democrats on the Hill, who each have their own priorities, and it appears to be the favored option of some prominent progressives. The second option, by providing more clarity to voters, could conceivably work out better for Biden and the Party as a whole going into the 2022 midterms and the 2024 Presidential election, and it could also make it more likely that the policy changes stick.

    Interesting synopsis of the "dilemma" Biden is facing.

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  10. I’m not the biggest Biden fan in the world but don’t see how this is entirely his fault. He can only work with what he’s got:

    Biden slashes his social spending bill by more than $1 trillion. The White House and Democratic leaders said that they would propose spending $2.3 trillion on social programs over a decade. That’s substantially less than their original $3.5 trillion plan, which could mean jettisoning some initiatives entirely.

  11. 6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    I'm not really troubled by what Donkey said.  Education is permeated by policy questions, and thus politics.

    What has heretofore been largely missing from public education is the grotesque partisan politics.  Until the last 10-20 years, school board candidates didn't overtly identify as one party or the other.

    There have always been skirmishes about textbooks and evolution vs. creation, for example.  That goes back to the Scopes trial, at least.  But even that wasn't partisan political in the way it is today.  

    "Conservatives" are all about divisive social issues masquerading as "family values."

    Was that so hard? Why is it so difficult for people to be honest? Is it a case of shooting the messenger versus the message?

    And to the rest of your post, it dovetails very nicely with my contention from last week that got everyone dishonestly enraged ( @Brisketexan I'm looking at you here) about how everything is nakedly political in 2021 and it's obviously the case and also obviously suboptimal, but that's the world we live in.

    Lastly, @DDD Dad clearly is still lost. Someone use the loudspeaker and page his mom to come pick him up in the mental lost and found.

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  12. 6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Negged for being an inconsistent, lying troll.

    There is nothing inconsistent in what I'm saying.

    You are blinded by your familial love and bias here, unless you are just misconstruing what I mean when I say 100%. Which now that I think about it, has to be what happened. Let me explain:

    I'm using the parlance of the day which means that I'm absolute and definite (i.e. 100%) that public education is a political entity.

    You might be hearing me say that Public Education from the Legislative and Board down to the school janitors, substitute teachers and contract laborers and everything in-between (100% [of] Public Education) is political.

    Sorry for not more clearly communicating that and for any confusion that has caused (which actually explains a lot because the response, as I noted, was outsized and not at all appropriate for what I was suggesting)-- as you've noted my papers and essays in school weren't the best in class!

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  13. 2 hours ago, hornian said:

    I told my wife the same thing. And that it was a perfect song for the outro in that episode. 

    Best part of the episode. Like a lot of folks my age I went through a Radiohead phase and I hadn't heard, what may be one of the better songs I've ever heard, in a while. It slapped and was the perfect outro, as the young people say.

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  14. 1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

    My parents were educators.  Dad taught at the university level (private -- Washington University) and public (University of Missouri).  Mom taught a bit at Missouri but mostly junior high and high school, all public.

    You haven't the foggiest fucking clue what you are talking about.  Public education is not all politics.  Negged again for being a disingenous twatwaffle.

    I have a grandparent who taught and published at the university level as well (public)-- it's a wonderful calling for some and a very valuable role in society. I'm not trying to denigrate the profession. I'm not even talking about public education being political at the teacher/administrator level. I'm talking about at the strategy setting (e.g. Board, Regent, Trustee, Legislative/Government) level. Keep negging for taking offense where offense was not intended, but you are being the disingenuous one here.

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  15. 1 hour ago, Captainant said:

    I'm not sure what sort of public school you went to, but my 5A highschool was not overtly political and did not push any partisan agenda like whitewashing history or taking up policies that are contrary to public health.

    The focus was in teaching us how to think critically, and giving us tools to use to think for ourselves. Granted, I was in AP courses and not regulars, but it was still a 100% public school.

    I didn't learn deep character and morals at school in classes - I learned those in doing extracurriculars like sports and marching band and UIL academic teams. Doing the extra shit that you don't have to do. 

    Maybe you shouldn't be such an absent parent that you expect the school to do the heavy lifting on raising your kid?

    On this, we agree 100%.

    Is it not such an obvious assumption to you people that those like you (and your family and communities) who ended up at UT and then years later on a UT message board, probably aren't the problem inherent to public schools? 

    Anyways, the point isn't even your post I quoted or my response to it-- those are strawmen to the point, which is that public education is political. It is because it's publicly funded and a communal resource. So there will naturally need to be some politiking to figure out what is the best or most optimal path to educate a diverse populace and which will enable and prepare them to be of value to society (go to college, get a job, etc.) when finished matriculating.

    For some communities those ideas are different than in others, and that is largely influenced by the make-up of the community (e.g. Southlake or Katy has different population personas and demographics than DISD or HISD, for example) which will provide for different goals and definitions of success. It's political in that you will (and should) always have to be responsible and accountable to all the stakeholders. In public education that means answering to those who foot the bill-- tax-paying residents and/or owners who may or may not want to send their kids based upon the circumstances.

    Am I saying anything that is not just basic, table-stakes and Public Education 101? Some of you people are acting like I'm calling a baby ugly or coming out of left field with a super hot take here and it's pretty shocking to me. Especially from someone normally as sane and reasonable as @jimmyjazz. Jimmy, what am I saying here that is below board or offensive-- your feedback would actually be respected and considered based on what I consider to be your honest and fair track record.

     

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  16. 9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Yes.  In the same way that basic functions like roads, drinking water, functioning sewer systems, noise ordinances, etc. are "political."  Because they are public functions, for the public good.

    So, "political" in the literal sense, but not fucking "political" in the insane sense of being hyper-politicized that we've seen in recent years.

    Also political in the sense that you and me and captain and every other homeowner and tax paying American is funding the government’s/public schooling. Like roads etc., as you stated.

    To act like it’s public education is not deeply and inherently political is absurd to me and frankly I can’t understand the mindset that would not see it as front and center political.

    You are outsourcing the education (and meaningful time and opportunities for deeper and richer development of soft skills and character/morals) to the state. If you do so you want to have input on what that agenda is going to look like. Especially since you are paying for the privilege.

    The other option (besides homeschooling) which financially sucks is to pay for the public schools via tax and not realize any direct value from it (there is good indirect value), and then pay extra to align your kids with a curriculum and/or agenda that makes sense for you and yours.

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  17. 1 hour ago, Captainant said:

    I don't have a source for every single disruptor in the country - but from the reporting I have read, the worst of the offenders have been anti-mask/vax nutjobs (you know, your people) who were NOT associated with the school district

     

    They aren't following into restrooms, they're following the teachers and staff home and assaulting them on campus. Over fucking mask mandates.

    You and @DonkeyCigars propaganda man chris rufo is the sole person linking this to CRT and using it as another arrow in your culture war quiver, and now it's getting repeated across the OANN/Fox/8kun discussion space.

    This concerted stochastic terrorism effort by you and people like you is exactly why the FBI is getting involved - there are the same patterns and messaging being blasted out across the country, directly threatening educators and medical professionals. It's not political - unless you think protecting the education system is political.

    Which come to think of it, considering that you and donk and johnnysack all hate public schools and send your kids to a rich kids only place, actually helps me to better appreciate why you think it's """purely political"""

    Public Education is 100% political.

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  18. 24 minutes ago, Hate said:

    Like the others have mentioned, it is because he is a coward.  If he was going to kill himself he would have already done it.  The fact that he didn't report he missing tells you that he thought he needed time to formulate a plan to getaway.  He's on the run somewhere and I'm not sure I would want to be the one the crosses his path.  I think that is how he is going to get caught.  Someone is going to stumble into him somehow and he is going to have to kill them too.  The best case scenario is that a group of people come across him in the wilderness so he can't do anything but run and that group can at least tell LEO which direction he ran. 

    The ultimate coward move, it can be argued, is suicide. So if he's a coward you can't rule that out as a viable result.

    Further, I maintain Occam's razor says he's dead. He's a bald, loser, poor, quasi-outdoorsy guy with a seemingly average family. He is not well-resourced and his family doesn't have generations of import riding on their ability to stand strong together with a stiff upper lip and hold their water-- I just can't imagine anyone being ride or die for this bald loser guy who probably killed his crazy girlfriend because the consequences to helping him, for when he is caught, far outweigh any benefit to having this guy continue to exist-- especially since his existence will have to be on the lam in Cambodia or something at this point, if it's to be sustainable.

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