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Then elaborate on the talent of other teams. Why was Vandy, the #1 overall seed, so talented yet they beat Wright State (who?) by 1 then lost by 1. They lost to a 15-15 regular season ACC team. UF. Lost by a combined 22-10 to East Carolina. East Carolina finished 10 games behind UTSA. ECU was 5 games closer to last place than first. I guess they were “hot” though. Kentucky, Georgia. Eliminated by “shit-ass” Big 12 teams. LSU. How the hell did they get such a pathetic regional? I guess Little Rock is a good loss. You know with their losing record on the season including a split with Arkansas Pine Bluff. Nothing inspiring about MSUs run. Ended about where you’d expect. Alabama 0-2 including a loss to a mediocre Miami. OU, Ole Miss and Tennessee possibly advancing today. Auburn and Pig advance pretty easily. It is reasonable to say that no other SEC team has beaten a team as good as UTSA except OU over UNC. Creighton maybe. DBU. NCstate.
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One could not have asked for a better regular SEC season. The point is that many, maybe damn near all, don’t know the actual talent. I’m not sure we overachieved. Regular season better than thought. Disappointing post season. Offensively, Rodriguez was probably better than expected but not really anyone else. We got less out of our big 3 than expected. Pitching-wise Volantis was huge, but he was pretty highly rated. The hit rate on other pitchers improving was pretty high, but it’s not like they were building from nothing. I guess Walker and his 10 innings were a surprise.
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I’m aware. So the predictors were dipshits? I’d guess quite often predictions in balanced conferences are all over the board. I really wouldn’t hold them to a standard however. People, on this very board, were reasonably hyped about Easton Winfield. Think he may have been a top 10 transfer guy. He may well turn into a fine player even. But anyone could have a taken 5 minutes to review his stat line from last year. Much of his production was against SWAC teams then a few good games versus mid tier teams. For one year only. There were legit questions about his conversion to the next level. Much of that ignored. Then you take an Ace Reese. Small town kid. The first article I find says he had 1 offer out of high school. Then 247sports shows 1 transfer offer. You might could say Texas missed twice. Expect outcomes all over the map. Tons of variables in baseball. Lots of volatility.
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You continually down play the talent/ability. The objective is to win. Get outs, score runs. You reference them struggling mightily to start on other teams. How they are playing now is the narrative you inferred above, but that’s not the drum you’ve been beating. And Yet to my knowledge, you’ve never provided evidence that outside of Mizzou or USC the other rosters are chock full of fiery, all conference SEC talent players. And you’ve absolutely referenced several guys not being SEC caliber. So what I gave you in the previous post was examples of guys not looking like SEC caliber players then all of a sudden they do. So maybe it’s not a talent thing. A Quick Look at Vandy shows their 2 hole hitter coming in .257 with a .383 slugging percentage. 0-5 today versus the mighty Wright State. Their cleanup hitter does have 15 homers and better average than Flores but OBP is less than .300. Their catcher bats .253 with a .307 OBP. Wilson and Evans numbers for UF on the season are pretty similar to our shit birds. Burkes, a multi year starter, has had an atrocious offensive year for Ky. Ole Miss had 3 sub.250 hitters in their lineup today. Braswell, Hernandez aren’t overly inspiring for LSU. Kentucky, last year, SEC Co-championship/CWS participant, had 3 guys with sub-.240 averages and less than .756 OPS. UF last year had 7 guys with 150 ABs and averages less than .261. Comparable or worse slugging and OBP in several cases than Will. Yes, we get it. We all want top 3 level talent. The holes that often mention are found in damn near every team, every year. So if you are chirping about lacking SEC level talent, it’s bullshit. And that’s nothing to say if you put a guy in a different lineup, with a different philosophy, in a shitty little ballpark, that those numbers don’t look different. And congrats to that MSU for whipping hapless Missouri and blowing up their numbers. Lotta hollow numbers in those 50 runs. You even roughly previously quoted Schloss saying we need a stars to be great or something similar. You don’t say? We need our stars to be stars. Oddly enough, ours weren’t all the time. That’s a statement that downplays the rest of the guys. And since Farmer didn’t play this weekend to speak of, was Borba was one of your 3? In the end, a non-SEC team with non-SEC players handled us. They did it at our place. And looked pretty solid in doing so. Probably time for people to roll into football and talk about how much production we lost and ignore how much production our opponents lost. But Hook Em to you. You’re seemingly a good and loyal fan.
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You don’t like me calling you out then fail to respond when I do. Yet this lineup did enough to win 22 games. Farmer, Gasparino, and Flores? Then I’ll ask you was Ace Reese destroying the Big 12 last year? So he was a middle of the road player at Houston. Did he just became talented in one year? How did Mitchell Daly go from the worst hitter in the Big 12 to 5-hole hitter on co-conference champion and CWS participant? Granted the Aggies faltered but Ben Royo went from sub-.200 to starting in the SEC. The vaunted Vandy Dores lost too. Georgia too. Kentucky I think has a 5 hole hitter at sub-.250. Single digit homers. Just absolutely odd these teams have so many guys riding pine that are better than our 9. Production and ability are two different things. Oh and by the way, these guys couldn’t hit the non-SEC staff last night.
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And I never argued otherwise. I asked the question. Boom responded.
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I’m well aware of the usage of metal spikes. Also ran track so I’m aware why those exist. I did give up baseball in high school. I’m old enough that we didn’t play on turf so I cannot speak to that. Also old enough that I wore jeans in little league so have a make it work mentality. They are a safety issue. Dipshits once upon a time used them as a weapon. That’s been addressed. It still is a safety issue to a lesser degree. Obviously not deemed enough of one to change anything. That’s fine.
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Yeah. You?
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There has to be some discretion here. Take the Jonah play. He contacted the defender above the waist. There was virtually no way he could avoid that. But if you want to argue this runner is out by that, then so is Williams. And strictly you cannot dislodge a ball that the fielder does not have. The ball has already passed the catcher, right? So that can be interpreted to not apply. As to the second part, since the runner cannot dislodge a ball that’s not held, you have to move to the unavoidable contact. You can clearly see the runner taking a posture that is not to bowl the catcher over. The catcher extends beyond what is normal. For the runner to avoid contact, he basically has to leave the base path which is not a reasonable expectation given the real time circumstances. Seems like a crappy call to call him out.
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This is an accurate depiction. And damn witty too. I can buy this. The key is “bigger” safety concern. This a bitch response. As for the slide, he started inside the bag when the defender was inside the bag. At one point he rolled on his hip and to finish his foot was so high it’s never going to touch the base thus allowing more time for a tag. I cannot imagine many defenders being pleased with the lead foot being roughly 12-18 inches high when it arrives at the base. And I can’t imagine a coach believing that slide was good. Yes, it was a wild throw but that’s not uncommon. It’s not uncommon for the fielder to try and catch it either. As for my question being legitimate, yes it is. So, first, not all MLB players wear metal. And sorry for not being a field turf expert but no other sports to my knowledge wear metal spikes on the stuff. Obviously, there is significantly more contact in those other sports, but there’s also tons more movement. Now the below is not the same situation but it does highlight a health consideration. Earlier in Posey’s career, he wore metals. His switch to MCS stemmed from a devastating leg injury back in 2011 when he snapped his ankle on a play at the plate. Posey is unique in that he switched BECAUSE of the downgrade in traction he gets from MCS cleats. By wearing MCS, Posey accepts the decreased acceleration and handle to avoid having his foot “snagged” in the ground, a common reason for significant baseball injuries and partially to blame for Posey’s stomach-churning ankle injury two seasons ago.
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That was a terrible slide. The truth is had he been kicked out it was earned, intentional or not. Why exactly do we need spikes?
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So Cincy, Arizona and WVU only get a 3rd of a win each?
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You may be on to something here.
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Yep, their lack of interest across the board has been detrimental. I mean Stanford lost a big time baseball player and softball player to A&M and Tech. It’s competition and dollars.
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Last year, there were 19 SEC/ACC teams in the tourney. The last decade or so you can throw East Carolina, Coastal Carolina. Even an Indiana State. All matched up against each other. So guess what? Odds are there will be a ton advance out of there with the most representation being the SEC. Texas, at least from my “feel” of it, has had more difficulty advancing when playing west coast teams. Texas fans have discussed the easy path of Tennessee Tech or South Florida. At some level it was east coast teams that helped them get there. East Carolina, Miami. Now, the SEC did beat 2 west coast teams last year. They did have home field advantage. Traveling half way across the country is tough. Something even the most western SEC teams are reluctant to do non-conference cause you might run into an extra loss or two. The west coast has been squeezed for the past two decades which has resulted in guys like Braden Montgomery and Paul Skenes running east. Maybe even a Dylan Volantis. Much of that is the west coast teams fault, but it’s two decades worth of SEC/ACC over representation and over seeding that has essentially built upon itself year over year. There are reasons FSU hasn’t won the whole thing in spite of many opportunities. Part of that is their path to get there. Kentucky last year and Texas this year won 22 conference games. Neither would be considered super talented. Maybe that talent disparity isn’t what some think.
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It’s odd. I despise the SEC but hold no ill will towards Tebow or even UF for 2008. It was all big 12 jackassery. I had forgotten how 1996 all went down so I was merely running my mouth on that part. Was generally a Spurrier fan so that wasn’t a bad outcome.
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But if you look at it from the perspective that we did not get a shot, you may see it differently. This is all off the top of my head so I may be off. We beat a “rival” by 40+ plus with their only TD being a fumble scoop and score. It was a back up that fumbled. There were 2 minutes left us up 52-3. A footnote that gets lost in the discussion is that I believe we pushed our schedule back due to hurricane impact. So our bye week was less beneficial to us. We had 4 top 15 matchups in the course of a month. One versus a top 5 at a neutral site. Won by 10 and had the momentum. Finished on the road, at night in Techs biggest game in their history while they were top 10, maybe top 5. OU got them at OU subsequent to that. You know the type of game that is often an emotional letdown. Seeing as how we beat a national championship participant we had the best win. We had the last second loss on the road so we likely had the most acceptable loss. UF lost at home. Essentially we lost out on the conference championship game because OU had a better perceived non-conference schedule even though we had an SEC team on that schedule. Ungrateful bastards for taking a spot when we gift wrapped an appearance for you when we took out Nebraska years earlier.
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The SEC bias is such that the Aggies were still considered a tourney possibility after getting swept at home by Mizzou. Kentucky lost Lipscomb, Wofford and Xavier. Two of those 3 in weekends series. They won several one run games against weak competition. On most days, they’re probably one of the best 64 teams. At the same time, there’s no metrics confirming they’re certainly one of the 64 best. They were 4 games under .500 in conference then lost the tourney opener. In their non-conference, they beat two tourney teams - Miami of Ohio (KY won by 1 run) and Louisville. They finished out 4-7 in May. They have no marquee non-conference wins. They don’t really have any high profile non-conference losses - simply losses to lesser conferences or middle of the road teams. They finished poorly. They’re sub-.500 in conference. They were one of the few major conference teams that didn’t try to schedule a difficult non-conference series or tournament. They won 2 series against tourney teams, and only 1 of those was above .500 in conference. They were not even the last 4 in. Cause they were 38th in the RPI and from the SEC.
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Flawed absolutely. As best I can tell, you lose 3-2 it is the same impact as losing 13-2 in 7 innings. Vandy vs Texas in the SEC tourney. We both played UTenn. We got pitcher of the year Doyle. They got a guy with a 5+ plus ERA, WHIP around 1.5 and a losing record. Same impact in the RPI as best I can tell. On and by the way two weeks earlier, Doyle went 7 shutout innings with 12 Ks. No walks, 2 hits versus that same Vandy team. Also we roughed up Crossland from OU more than Vandy did a mere week later. The RPI and the SOS (again run differential has no significance) are the only metrics that Vandy has us beat. And the tourney in which they faced the 3rd worst starters for OU and Tennessee. The Ole Miss guy is not a starter and went 4 innings for his longest outing of the year.
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You and others, I’m sure the committee included, will reference the SOS and RPI. They are both a big circle jerk. The quadrants are bullshit. It’s difficult to buy into beating Mizzou on the road as a Quad 3 win. UCF is a good example of the shit representing the RPI/SOS. They are 20-5 in non-conference. They are 9-21 in the Big 12. They are 3-0 versus the ACC/SEC. 2-0 versus 40 win Stetson. Lots of Florida schools in that non-conference schedule. They didn’t even leave the state until conference. We cannot say those midweek game outcomes are different because the circumstances are different then ignore it when using a metric to help set the field. State of Florida champions. Big 12 second to worst team. Interesting that you listed those pitchers. Take LSU. Three of their 4 best pitchers are newcomers I believe. One from UC San Diego, one from Wofford, one freshman. One of their better hitters is from a lesser Utah school. Thats 3 guys from one bid leagues. Riojas and Spencer for us from smaller schools. Some guy named Skenes was from a nothing school. That Ace Reese was kinda mid at Houston. There’s a lot of guys out there that can be impactful. They’re underappreciated at the smaller schools. The truth is that if you want something useful it will have to be very elaborate. Not sure many would have patience for such an endeavor. You can’t treat baseball similarly to other sports because you don’t run the same team out there every day because of the pitching. Just using the SEC tourney as an example. We got Utenns #1 in their 2nd game. Vandy got their #3 while going with their #2, at worst. Those are in no way equivalent from a strength of schedule or win probability standpoint yet, to my understanding, the RPI/SOS treat them equally. As others have mentioned, if you can’t get to .500 in your conference, which should be the most important part of your schedule, then you best win your tournament. The committee can make some decisions to better the game. We shall see.
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Does that strength of schedule allow for weekend games versus midweek games? Does that strength of schedule account differently for a 3-2 loss versus losing via the 10 run rule? Virginia was 5 games over in conference play. In their first 7 games, they played 2 tourneys with 4 teams from the top 4 RPI conferences. They didn’t play FSU cause it was canceled. Of the top 7, they missed 3, not 4. One of those was canceled then they played 2 of the top 5 on the road. Of Kentucky’s first 13 scheduled games, six were against teams that won no more 25 games. The other 7 had no more than 18 wins. Those weren’t just poor teams they were from weak conferences. These were teams that have done absolutely nothing in college baseball. Virginia is 12 and 3 with two 1 run losses in their last 15. They won 2 of 3 at Georgia Tech. They won 2 of 3 at Va Tech. They swept Miami at home. All during this span. Kentucky is 6-9. Swept at MSU and Vandy. Swept OU. i do not believe that SELa or UTRGV would do better in the SEC. I do believe they should be rewarded for their efforts in comparison. If SEC teams continue to be rewarded for subpar efforts, then these other teams will never compete because the players will always have to upgrade for that chance. The Southlsnd has done well to only get 1 team. The SEC is the master at gaming the RPI. The Big East has figured that out the past few years. Maybe WVU and KU this year. It is more advantageous to schedule easy wins than to challenge yourself and risk losing a game.
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Just from D1s first 4 out and teams to watch, I’d hav Virginia, Xavier, SELa, UTRGV, and Cal Poly over them. if you have a losing conference record, you better do something in non-conference. They were 4 games under then lost their only tourney game. I view them and Baylor as a toss up. Baylor didn’t schedule hammered dogshit in the non-conference except for Sam Houston. But that is understandable given they’ve had 1st round picks and solid teams very recently. If they get in, you are rewarding terrible non- conference scheduling and allowing them to hide behind the SEC. They didn’t play 2 of the top 4 teams, went 1-5 against the other two.
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They lost to Lipscomb, Wofford, Murray State, Western Kentucky, Xavier. They were 1-1 versus Louisville. Miami of Ohio, Northern Kentucky or Wofford is their 2nd best non-conference win. I’m not sure what you’d call UNK with their 2nd place conference finish in the 3rd worst conference. Their first scheduled 13 games (two were canceled) were against sub-.500 teams. I could not tell you which conference any of those teams are in. Might even be a last place finisher or two in there. Actually, at least 3 opponents were last in their conference. Two more were last or last in their division. They were 4-7 in May. Swept twice. Lost their only tourney game when it may have been a must win. They don’t deserve to get an invite.
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Texas Baseball 2025 - Your SEC regular season champions!!
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You may be correct. That damn whistler should count against them though. For us, our draw will be fine. Maybe not ideal but to host the Regional and Super is the key. -
Texas Baseball 2025 - Your SEC regular season champions!!
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They shouldn’t. Theyre 13-11 in road/neutral games. Maybe they didn’t play the dregs of the conference, but they did play UF and the Aggies when they were playing like dregs of the conference. Since April 1st, they’re 5-2 in mid week games. Two 1 run wins (a 1 run loss). We are 16-7 in road/neutral games. We are 5-1 in midweek since April 1. They got swept at home by Pig. Pig swept us at their place. They lost 2 of 3 at OU including 1 run rule. We won 2 of 3 with the loss being a lost lead late. They swept UGA at home. So did we. They swept UK at home. We lost in 15 on the road. Of the top 4 SEC teams, they only played 1. At home. We played 2 including 1 on the road. That MSU team we swept on the road was 1 game behind UTenn and Bama (MSU won 2 of 3 at Bama). We finished 3 games ahead of them. Even in the SEC tournament, they got the #3 choices for OU and UTenn. We got the UTenn pitcher of the year. Any system that counts a game against a college #3 starter the same as the #1 pitcher of the year falls short. Vandy gets a bump because they swept the #39 Xavier. A Xavier that had a 5 game SEC stretch in early April. Lost by a combined 57-9. And 31-5 in the non-Vandy games. Best win is over Creighton, but they lost 3 to them. They’ve split with UConn. Swept by St. John’s.
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