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26 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Ah, OK. That's where my brain went after you post, but then I started to second guess myself. 

But yeah, it absolutely could be Ohio State/Indiana, which would be the weirdest fucking CCG I can remember. I think Cignetti is a fantastic coach, but, and again, jmo, Ohio State would beat them, too. The talent-gap is just too wide, unless Cignetti has just some unfathomable game plan with luck introduced. 

But remember, Oregon beat Ohio State last year, and we saw what happened when they met again. That was with Dillon Gabriel, 1.2k rusher Jordan James, Tez Johnson, a healthy Evan Stewart, Traeshon Holden, TE Terrance Ferguson, 1st rd OL Josh Conerly, Jr., 1st rd DT/DL Derrick Harmon, DL Jamaree Caldwell,  S Jeffrey Bassa, DE Jordan Burch, etc. That was an absolute 20 pt beating in Eugene again. 
 

Just looking at talent recruiting rankings disparity, fOSU has double the amount of 5* talent than the second leader, which is Oregon at #2 and Penn State at #3. 4* talent it's Penn State, fOSU, Oregon. My point being is that 5*/4* talent makes all the difference (unless your name happens to be James Franklin, which if that's the case, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW $50M LOTTERY WINNINGS), which is why even if the Buckeye play Indiana, I don't think it will be some blowout because of Cignetti, but fOSU will win by 2 TDs. 

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Texas, for whatever reason, is the only team to have held both Jeremiah Smith (6-43), and Carnell Tate (2-59) in check (aside from a blown assignment which gave Tate most of his 2 catches for 59 yards all game with his 40 yd TD. Credit is due where it's due). I don't know if it's just talent meets similar/comparable talent (which I believe Littleton is) regardless of recruiting rankings (we did have Thorpe winner Barron in 2024), but it was Muhammad/frosh Littleton (absolute stud) covering Smith this year, and Kobe Black/Taaffe tasked with covering Tate, scheme, whatever the case. 

If you haven't gotten to watch Longhorns football, tuck away the name Gaceon Littleton. He'll be our next Thorpe winner before he heads to the first rd. 

tOSU has hit that annoying Bama level of talent under Saban where their third string dudes look better than everyone's first string. They can be had obviously, but I am not sure Indiana has the horses to do it.  

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yeah, I think their biggest advantage is that they can keep more of their freshman recruits for all 3-4 years. If they are starting, getting paid, and have a realistic shot at a championship, why transfer? Tech and SMU et al. are going to lose those players even if they can match or slightly exceed the blueblood money offer for the sole reason that the blueblood can also make a better pitch about a legit shot at a national title.

My first question would be: Why haven't we lost some of those types of guys already, then? We weren't really talent poor except for a couple positions on the OL, defensive line, and CB last season. We have a number of guys playing and thriving this year that weren't portal guys that easily could have transferred out and gotten paid by a blueblood. Jacob Rodriguez is the perfect example, he is arguably the best linebacker in college football, was a well known quantity before this season, and would easily have made a mint anywhere in the country.

I keep telling you guys, there's more to this conversation than money. There's a level of buy-in here that they actively seek when going after the guys they get. It's never going to be 100%, it's not for anybody, but fit, money, facilities, coaching, it all rolls into one for most players. We have the money, we have premium facilities, we have coaches that players really seem to like, and it seems to work for everybody so far. I guess we'll see.

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7 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

tOSU has hit that annoying Bama level of talent under Saban where their third string dudes look better than everyone's first string. They can be had obviously, but I am not sure Indiana has the horses to do it.  

I couldn't agree more. It's annoying af. But yeah, I just can't see Indiana pulling that big of an upset, especially twice in a season. One? Sure, OK. It happens. They're not FCS and they have a dude as a coach. Twice? Eh...not against those jort wearing douche tunnels. 

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You guys are way too obsessed with helmet stickers. Ohio State would be favored maybe 3 points over Indiana right now on a neutral field. I would say closer to 10 over Oregon. 

I'm still waiting on an answer on how exactly their running game is somehow far and away better than everyone else's. There is no data or set of results that backs that claim up even a little bit. The line about Texas being the only team to bottle up Smith and Tate is also not even true. What is going on here?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be the favorite to win it all again this year, until proven otherwise it's their crown to give up, but some of this is going a bit far. I'll take what their defense is selling any day of the week, though, that's for sure.

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4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

I don't hope at all that Tech plays aggy. 
 

I mean if it goes that way, kick their ass; but otherwise, fuck em. 

Are you kidding me? To drop a massive deuce in their punchbowl with a first round knockout of a B12 school would make their fans go apocalyptic. You could live on those tears for years. 

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

My first question would be: Why haven't we lost some of those types of guys already, then? We weren't really talent poor except for a couple positions on the OL, defensive line, and CB last season. We have a number of guys playing and thriving this year that weren't portal guys that easily could have transferred out and gotten paid by a blueblood. Jacob Rodriguez is the perfect example, he is arguably the best linebacker in college football, was a well known quantity before this season, and would easily have made a mint anywhere in the country.

I keep telling you guys, there's more to this conversation than money. There's a level of buy-in here that they actively seek when going after the guys they get. It's never going to be 100%, it's not for anybody, but fit, money, facilities, coaching, it all rolls into one for most players. We have the money, we have premium facilities, we have coaches that players really seem to like, and it seems to work for everybody so far. I guess we'll see.

I said I could be wrong, lets see how it plays out this offseason and next. And for the record, the conversation starts with the money and has to be at least 90% of the conversation. Tech isn't in the running for a lot of those guys without the money. Again, I feel I always have to be clear that it's not a criticism. It's okay to recognize that Tech and SMU are only succeeding at their current level because they have money to pay players really well in the new system.

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28 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Are you kidding me? To drop a massive deuce in their punchbowl with a first round knockout of a B12 school would make their fans go apocalyptic. You could live on those tears for years. 

Those same tears could fix the water in Flint, MI and make it drinkable again. 

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1 hour ago, Vertigo said:

Are you kidding me? To drop a massive deuce in their punchbowl with a first round knockout of a B12 school would make their fans go apocalyptic. You could live on those tears for years. 

I hate them.  I hate being by them.  i hate interacting with them.  Even when you beat them, they never shut the fuck up.

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3 hours ago, Iceman said:

I hate them.  I hate being by them.  i hate interacting with them.  Even when you beat them, they never shut the fuck up.

To summarize, fuck aggy. Anybody living in TX doesn't want aggy in the CFB Playoffs

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4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

You guys are way too obsessed with helmet stickers. Ohio State would be favored maybe 3 points over Indiana right now on a neutral field. I would say closer to 10 over Oregon. 

I'm still waiting on an answer on how exactly their running game is somehow far and away better than everyone else's. There is no data or set of results that backs that claim up even a little bit. The line about Texas being the only team to bottle up Smith and Tate is also not even true. What is going on here?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be the favorite to win it all again this year, until proven otherwise it's their crown to give up, but some of this is going a bit far. I'll take what their defense is selling any day of the week, though, that's for sure.

God. Fucking. Christ. 

I made a long fucking list and I stepped away from my office and my phone refreshed and I lost all of my data. 

Here's a summary:

The top 3 RB rooms in the country in order (1 is objective, the other two subjective)

1. Tenn - overwhelming favorites. Balanced. 3 of their RBs share carries. Dylan Bishop 63/481/5 TD's ; Slar Thomas 62/328/4 TD's,and Peyton Lewis 40/200/5 TD's 4.7 ypc have the ball distributed almost evenly, and their yac is incredible. Sark/Scott should look into that. It looks like it might just work. - objective based on data 

2a. l put Ohio State here because they also share the ball between Bo Jackson 58/(407/2 TDs 7.0 ypc. DNP against UT), CJ Donaldson 58/237/6 TD's 4.1 ypc, and James People's. - 40/202/0 5.1 yac. Balanced. Subjective on position 

2b. Georgia - They're here due to how they use their backs. Chauncey Bowens 60/315/4 TD's 5.3 ypc; Nate Frazier 60/277/2 TDs 4.6 ypc.Josh McCray is used primarily to punish defensive fronts if they don't have depth. Balanced. Subjective on position 

TEX - We are the living embodiment of Shantytownies. Poverty. Destitute. Our leading rusher is Arch. Help me, I'm poor is our RB room motto now. Choice fucked us. Our "lead back" has 185 yards with 1 rushing TD and 1 receiving TD. 

OU. DOA. Cannot be resuscitated. But for comedy Tory Blaylock - 68/290/3 TD's. That's it. He did nothing against us other than go 11/33/0 at a Rueben Owens special of 3 ypc. 

UF - Baugh is literally all they have. He's all they used against us and we still lost. Pathetic.

Auburn - Cobb. Lol

Aggy - Moss. Absolute stud 70/389/6 TD's 5.6 ypc. Owens is absolute dog shit swarming in parvo. Take away his games against the poor Miss St and USU, and he averages between 1.7-3 ypc. I can't make myself look at them again. 

LSU - Caden Durham 67/283/2 TDs 4.2 ypc. He's all they have unless they continue to get Harlem Berry more involved 

Ole Miss - Kewan Lacy 126/587/8 TDs 4.7 ypc; Trinidad Chambliss (all-name team) 61/281/3 TD's 4.6 ypc

Bama - nothing even touching 200 yards 

Oregon - Jadarian Limar 42/249/3 TD's 5.9 ypc 

Now here are sone outliers:

Michigan - Justice Haynes 95/705/8 TDs 7.4 ypc (force of nature); Jordan Marshall 59/301/3 5.- ypc 

Mizzou - Ahmad Hardy 115/782/9 TD's 6.8 ypc (freak); Jamal Roberts 53/400/3 TD's 7.5 ypc 

You get the point. 

I'm not doing the math again regarding Smith/Tate, but I took the average of Smith's catches per game, added them up and they came to 40, so I divided by 6, and he gets 6 per game. 

They went against an elite defense (not my words, but I agree. It says we are elite at DL, LB, a balanced unit, positional versatility., elite pass rushers, veteran transfers, exceptional depth, talented corners, talented secondary, versatile safeties, diverse coverages, etc). We held him to his mean and Tate to below his average, but we did allow that one TD. Without it, he would have been 2/9, but he ended up with 2/49/1. What happened, happened. It is what it is. 

Smith got 6/43/0. He was covered by true freshman Graceon Littleton, who is already getting praised and named as a top 25 ESPN freshman, and is being considered for freshman All-American honors right now. Last year Smith had Barron on him, Thorpe winner, and he went 2/3/0, so that's what is expected. Maybe Smith just once again met his match with an equal on the opposite side of the ball in Littleton and got shut down. Game 1 or 15 it doesn't matter, just like a win is a win regardless if it's week 0 or week 10. 
 

Now recruiting (we'll just do 5* kids on rosters) currently on the rosters 
 

Texas - 10 (back to the norm or else we would be where aggy is)
Bama - 11 (the norm and still benefitting from Saban)
Georgia - 11 (the norm)
Oregon - 5 (Unsure, but I imagine it's a boost from Lanning. ungodly amount of 4* players)
Aggy - 5 (batting well above average since Elk last year. The Jimbos have all either transferred or drafted)

LSU- 4 (They are a shell of what they once were)

The point is, anyone who is butt hurt over tech buying players (I don't know if it's just Campbell shelling out the cash, or his former partner John Sellers also helping with football? We know he donates to softball) needs to get a grip. We both know tech's ceiling is the playoffs. You and I and everyone here knows you aren't winning a NC or even making it. It's just not going to happen. Take a look at the top 10 in recruiting and tell me Tech can match all of what those teams offer (prestige, money, NC's, NC appearances (aggy is the outlier, and they aren't winning shit, either), helmet schools, blue bloods, new blue bloods, etc will always take front and center no matter how much money whomever is shelling out). A blue blood/new blue blood will win it every year. People keep saying there's parity in football now. No there isn't. Recruiting shows that.

Just take a look at our class this year alone. You bought a project tackle for stupid money, but you did get a really good player in Guyton, but you better hope he works out better than your last 5*, Micah Hudson. You also have just four 4* recruits for this cycle. 2025 you have one 4* and all 3* with 18 commits. 2024 Micah Hudson (bust) and four 4* recruits with 22 commits. 2023 Five 4* and the rest 3*  with 28 commits. 2022 One low 4* and the rest 3*with 18 commits. 

That ain't going to work, son. When we have more 5* kids in 2025 class than you have 4* kids (One) there's a problem.

 

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Texas very seldom does NOT have the most talent on the field.  Same for A&M.  Y'all have the perfect coach and still never get it done, unless you have a generational QB, again, SURROUNDED by the most talented team.

Yet, other teams will still strap on the pads and lace up the cleats this week. It's fucking weird.

 The equation absolutely favors Texas.  Save for the miracle of Vincent Young overcoming Mack Brown, ya'll come up short.  Repeatedly, Yet you think other folks should stop in their tracks and take a knee. That's why other fanbases laugh at you.

The lion doesn't talk about being the apex predator.  It just is.

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4 hours ago, Iceman said:

Texas very seldom does NOT have the most talent on the field.  Same for A&M.  Y'all have the perfect coach and still never get it done, unless you have a generational QB, again, SURROUNDED by the most talented team.

Yet, other teams will still strap on the pads and lace up the cleats this week. It's fucking weird.

 The equation absolutely favors Texas.  Save for the miracle of Vincent Young overcoming Mack Brown, ya'll come up short.  Repeatedly, Yet you think other folks should stop in their tracks and take a knee. That's why other fanbases laugh at you.

The lion doesn't talk about being the apex predator.  It just is.

Is this you? Because this is how your posts sounds after what was posted. Stop being a bitch and just be happy you have someone who will pay for one or two 5* and five to six 4* in a class. 

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