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Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet, Now Starting for the Miami Dolphins

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Let’s not forget Colt in his last two years never left the game without a lead. Yeah, I’m not counting the 0:01 versus Tech.

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17 hours ago, Thatguy said:

This was my original statement

"Colt is better than Ewers but come on. Colt did that(lead the team in rushing) against a Big12 schedule my guy. Colt isn't leading the team in rushing vs an SEC schedule and coming out healthy. I'm not saying the SEC is all that, but they ARE more physical in the trenches."

To which Jkwellborn said this-

"Man, when Colt was doing that, the Big 12 was the premier conference in the country. Just because the SEC was still playing football from 1950 doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have done similar."

To which I said-

"Yes. The SEC was not progressive offensively in 2009 but the trench play was still miles above the Big12. We learned that in the 1st quarter of the National Championship game. The SEC had 144 players drafted from 2010-2012. The Big12 had 85 over the same time frame, with most of those being skill players. Look into it."

We were talking about whether or not Colt could lead the team in rushing against an SEC schedule. We weren't talking about a single game. So I am not sure why you chose to comment the way you did.

"Hey Tone...heh heh...you hear what I just said? I said it looks like a weight-loss ad. 'Before', and 'Way Before' heh heh heh"

15 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

"Hey Tone...heh heh...you hear what I just said? I said it looks like a weight-loss ad. 'Before', and 'Way Before' heh heh heh"

This thread is like the 95 pound mole on Surly’s ass.

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15 minutes ago, MrBig said:

This thread is like the 95 pound mole on Surly’s ass.

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Nah bro, go to the 9.95 roster thread that’s a fucking shit show, the 9.95 coaching staff thread is a close second. It’s all Wisner and Flood talk for pages and pages and pages. The number of posts you can count on both threads that have anything unique or valuable to add to a discussion wouldn’t get you to 5. It’s like the offseason fucked your wife and took away all your hobbies on the same day.

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18 hours ago, Thatguy said:

That's not what I meant. I am asking what games where Colt threw a TD to win it or drove us down to win the game and close a team out gave you that confidence. I can remember one. 08 Ohio State. I cannot remember another.

Every game, every third-down, every must have it moment, he converted. The games he lost were lost on defense on a final play and lost because he got hurt.

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Every game, every third-down, every must have it moment, he converted. The games he lost were lost on defense on a final play and lost because he got hurt.

And that would be untrue.

Just off the top of my head, Redshirt sophomore year.

21-28 OU with 9.5 left in the 4th. Colt had two possessions to tie the game up and couldn't get it done.

9-17 Nebraska. 12:56 in the 4th quarter and Colt is struggling 11-27 169 and an INT. From that point on we would throw one more pass. Luckily we had Charles, who would rush for 216 yards in the quarter and single handily win the game for us. Colt had zero TDs passing or running and was 43% passing.

21-41 Kansas St. The blowout wasn't a failure on defense as KSU only had 272 total yards and 2 TDs on Offense. No, Colt threw 4 interceptions in that game including a pick 6. Special teams was a shitshow too.

2009 Nebraska. NU had 4 field goals, 3 of which were directly due to Colt's 3 interceptions. 2 of which they didn't even get a 1st down. Nebraska then kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff and then a horse collar call on the short crossing route. Those two things put us in field goal range. Then Colt almost lost the game with the throw out of bounds.

I mean, I could go on but my point is he had a lot of help. Some games he played down right awful but we still won whether it was special teams, Charles, or defense. But it's funny when we look back at 2023 OU, Quinn drove us down and we scored what should've been the game winner with only a minute left and PK's D let OU drive the field and score. Then we let Penix throw for 430 yards in the Semis. We don't look at those games as "the defense failed us", no we look at those games as "Quinn couldn't get it done". In my personal opinion when we were in a dogfight during Colt's last two years Muschamp's D would usually bow up and give us a chance. Meanwhile PK's D let Gabriel march the field in a minute. Let Penix throw for 430. Let Georgia score 30. Let a freshman QB for Georgia score 19 in the second half while only throwing for 70 yards. Let Ohio State get a 80 screen pass with like 30 seconds to go before half. If they woulda stood tall Like Muschamp's D, we woulda won some of those games. They even gave Squints a legit chance to beat Bama.

10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And that would be untrue.

Just off the top of my head, Redshirt sophomore year.

21-28 OU with 9.5 left in the 4th. Colt had two possessions to tie the game up and couldn't get it done.

9-17 Nebraska. 12:56 in the 4th quarter and Colt is struggling 11-27 169 and an INT. From that point on we would throw one more pass. Luckily we had Charles, who would rush for 216 yards in the quarter and single handily win the game for us. Colt had zero TDs passing or running and was 43% passing.

21-41 Kansas St. The blowout wasn't a failure on defense as KSU only had 272 total yards and 2 TDs on Offense. No, Colt threw 4 interceptions in that game including a pick 6. Special teams was a shitshow too.

2009 Nebraska. NU had 4 field goals, 3 of which were directly due to Colt's 3 interceptions. 2 of which they didn't even get a 1st down. Nebraska then kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff and then a horse collar call on the short crossing route. Those two things put us in field goal range. Then Colt almost lost the game with the throw out of bounds.

I mean, I could go on but my point is he had a lot of help. Some games he played down right awful but we still won whether it was special teams, Charles, or defense. But it's funny when we look back at 2023 OU, Quinn drove us down and we scored what should've been the game winner with only a minute left and PK's D let OU drive the field and score. Then we let Penix throw for 430 yards in the Semis. We don't look at those games as "the defense failed us", no we look at those games as "Quinn couldn't get it done". In my personal opinion when we were in a dogfight during Colt's last two years Muschamp's D would usually bow up and give us a chance. Meanwhile PK's D let Gabriel march the field in a minute. Let Penix throw for 430. Let Georgia score 30. Let a freshman QB for Georgia score 19 in the second half while only throwing for 70 yards. Let Ohio State get a 80 screen pass with like 30 seconds to go before half. If they woulda stood tall Like Muschamp's D, we woulda won some of those games. They even gave Squints a legit chance to beat Bama.

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39 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And that would be untrue.

Just off the top of my head, Redshirt sophomore year.

21-28 OU with 9.5 left in the 4th. Colt had two possessions to tie the game up and couldn't get it done.

9-17 Nebraska. 12:56 in the 4th quarter and Colt is struggling 11-27 169 and an INT. From that point on we would throw one more pass. Luckily we had Charles, who would rush for 216 yards in the quarter and single handily win the game for us. Colt had zero TDs passing or running and was 43% passing.

21-41 Kansas St. The blowout wasn't a failure on defense as KSU only had 272 total yards and 2 TDs on Offense. No, Colt threw 4 interceptions in that game including a pick 6. Special teams was a shitshow too.

2009 Nebraska. NU had 4 field goals, 3 of which were directly due to Colt's 3 interceptions. 2 of which they didn't even get a 1st down. Nebraska then kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff and then a horse collar call on the short crossing route. Those two things put us in field goal range. Then Colt almost lost the game with the throw out of bounds.

I mean, I could go on but my point is he had a lot of help. Some games he played down right awful but we still won whether it was special teams, Charles, or defense. But it's funny when we look back at 2023 OU, Quinn drove us down and we scored what should've been the game winner with only a minute left and PK's D let OU drive the field and score. Then we let Penix throw for 430 yards in the Semis. We don't look at those games as "the defense failed us", no we look at those games as "Quinn couldn't get it done". In my personal opinion when we were in a dogfight during Colt's last two years Muschamp's D would usually bow up and give us a chance. Meanwhile PK's D let Gabriel march the field in a minute. Let Penix throw for 430. Let Georgia score 30. Let a freshman QB for Georgia score 19 in the second half while only throwing for 70 yards. Let Ohio State get a 80 screen pass with like 30 seconds to go before half. If they woulda stood tall Like Muschamp's D, we woulda won some of those games. They even gave Squints a legit chance to beat Bama.

Only one of those was in 2008 or 2009. That was a game with 18 yards rushing. A major drop on a well thrown ball that likely ends the game. And interestingly enough you highlight the kickoff out of bounds and the penalty but down play the actual throw that gained 19 yards that allowed the penalty to occur. He was not good that game, but he didn’t have much offensive help either.

Also, it was interesting that you highlight 2023 OU and ignore some parallels for Tech 2008. Against OU, we needed one more first down to crater OUs chances. We get a negative play on 1st down. Both examples of not finishing the game. One because we scored the TD too early. One because we didn’t completely finish the drive.

The UW game. Three WRs, the QB, two TEs, two highly drafted olineman, all hanging out in the NFL. A month to prepare. Shocker they played well. I’m continuously surprised so many struggle with the concept that highly skilled opponents will have success. That was not UWs defense. Blame is not specific to any one player. We did have 4 shots from inside the 15.

It’s a team game so yeah the defense and special teams will make plays on a championship caliber team. But it’s a shit ton of pressure on a QB when you have to be the run game and the pass game Nevermind the cumulative effects of those hits.

Great, we’re on the “Actually, Colt McCoy wasn’t that good” part of our collective descent into hell.

Goddamnit.

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

And that would be untrue.

Just off the top of my head, Redshirt sophomore year.

21-28 OU with 9.5 left in the 4th. Colt had two possessions to tie the game up and couldn't get it done.

9-17 Nebraska. 12:56 in the 4th quarter and Colt is struggling 11-27 169 and an INT. From that point on we would throw one more pass. Luckily we had Charles, who would rush for 216 yards in the quarter and single handily win the game for us. Colt had zero TDs passing or running and was 43% passing.

21-41 Kansas St. The blowout wasn't a failure on defense as KSU only had 272 total yards and 2 TDs on Offense. No, Colt threw 4 interceptions in that game including a pick 6. Special teams was a shitshow too.

2009 Nebraska. NU had 4 field goals, 3 of which were directly due to Colt's 3 interceptions. 2 of which they didn't even get a 1st down. Nebraska then kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff and then a horse collar call on the short crossing route. Those two things put us in field goal range. Then Colt almost lost the game with the throw out of bounds.

I mean, I could go on but my point is he had a lot of help. Some games he played down right awful but we still won whether it was special teams, Charles, or defense. But it's funny when we look back at 2023 OU, Quinn drove us down and we scored what should've been the game winner with only a minute left and PK's D let OU drive the field and score. Then we let Penix throw for 430 yards in the Semis. We don't look at those games as "the defense failed us", no we look at those games as "Quinn couldn't get it done". In my personal opinion when we were in a dogfight during Colt's last two years Muschamp's D would usually bow up and give us a chance. Meanwhile PK's D let Gabriel march the field in a minute. Let Penix throw for 430. Let Georgia score 30. Let a freshman QB for Georgia score 19 in the second half while only throwing for 70 yards. Let Ohio State get a 80 screen pass with like 30 seconds to go before half. If they woulda stood tall Like Muschamp's D, we woulda won some of those games. They even gave Squints a legit chance to beat Bama.

I specifically said those feelings came during his third full season playing and that maybe it was unfair that Quinn never had that opportunity. Colt definitely had a sophomore slump in 2007. We beat Nebraska in 2009 despite Chris Hall getting ragdolled like a kitten thrown in with a rabid pitbull named Suh. Again, I wasn't trying to make an objective argument, just stating how I felt watching Colt vs Quinn.

And of course, Colt had help, I never stated otherwise. But if you're telling me you don't think Colt was more clutch than Quinn, then we can just agree you're on crack. You know in your heart you never got the warm fuzzy feeling that Quinn was going to come through in the clutch and make the play when it was desperately needed. Again, I liked Quinn and defended him pretty vigorously from what I thought was unfair criticism. But Colt lost 1 game that he finished his final two seasons. And it was lost by the defense in the waning seconds. Quinn lost multiple games that he personally had a chance to win at the end (Washington, OSU, SEC Championship).

At any rate, you're reading something more into my comment than was intended. My original comment was that his primary limiter at Texas was his injuries. If not for those, I think he would have been remembered a lot more like VY and Colt then Chris Simms (which was unfair to Chris too).

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

But if you're telling me you don't think Colt was more clutch than Quinn, then we can just agree you're on crack.

I can agree with you here.

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