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9 hours ago, markstanco said:


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Texas has always followed the letter of the law. {sarcasm}

Texas pretty much has, you fucking idiot. Are you one of the stupid Aggie level idiots who needs the difference in our recruiting now versus 2010-2020 explained to you?

 

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Someone his actually spoken with people dealing with the UT’s compliance department in the NIL era. 

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23 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Texas pretty much has, you fucking idiot. Are you one of the stupid Aggie level idiots who needs the difference in our recruiting now versus 2010-2020 explained to you?

 

Signed,

Someone his actually spoken with people dealing with the UT’s compliance department in the NIL era. 

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

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7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

Right. There’s a big difference between some boosters doing some small shit and an entire administration looking the other way when half your team is working at Big Red Motors, or the entire team is selling tickets for thousands and thousands of dollars every home game. The former isn’t “Texas.” 
 

ignorance is a nice way to put it. 

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This is probably covered elsewhere, but... These ostensibly punitive forfeitures, $25 million or whatever, to whom are the forfeitures paid? 

I mean, do the victims of scouting get some, or the conference, or hmmmm, the NCAA Executive Travel Fund? 

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4 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

This is probably covered elsewhere, but... These ostensibly punitive forfeitures, $25 million or whatever, to whom are the forfeitures paid? 

I mean, do the victims of scouting get some, or the conference, or hmmmm, the NCAA Executive Travel Fund? 

 

 

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3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Right. There’s a big difference between some boosters doing some small shit and an entire administration looking the other way when half your team is working at Big Red Motors, or the entire team is selling tickets for thousands and thousands of dollars every home game. The former isn’t “Texas.” 
 

ignorance is a nice way to put it. 

My former boss was a basketball player for the Longhorns long ago.  Early 70’s era. 
 

He came up from nothing.  They had one car for a large family, which wasn’t uncommon at the time, and had no tv in the house.  They couldn’t afford it. 

He got paid $1200 cash under table each semester.   Use an inflation calculator and see what that equates to now.  It’s not Quinn/Arch NIL money, but it was damn good money back then. 
 

The athletic department asked him if he wanted a car to use while he was in Austin.  They said if they got him a car they would cut the cash payment a bit.  If he didn’t want a car as “his own”, he could keep the $1200/semester and he could borrow an athletic department vehicle any time he needed to go somewhere around town.  He couldn’t take it on trips home or out of town. 
 

When he had a particularly good game, there would be extra cash in his shoes in his locker after he got out of the shower. 

That was for basketball.  We know football is king and everything would be more in that scenario.

You people that think everybody else did it but not the largest university for years in the greatest high school football state in the nation are living in denial.  

I once went with the gal I was dating and her roommate to a pep rally before the ‘86 team was getting ready to head to a road game.  My girlfriend and her roommate were really jealous of all the LV bags that Eric Metcalf had with him and his diamond jewelry as well.   
 

Yeah, Eric’s dad was in the NFL years before.  They didn’t have the kind of contracts they do now.  Eric’s dad wasn’t throwing cash on LV bags for his son to use to travel. 
 

Metcalf is still the favorite Longhorn player I’ve ever watched.  You never knew if that guy was just going to bust a 50yd run out of nowhere.  

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One more side note:  I bumped into John David Crow at random a few times over the years.  First time was at his grandson’s basketball game in Houston. 
 

We talked all kinds of stuff but especially football.  He could not have been more friendly and he remembered me every time I saw him. 
 

Right after Cam Newton won the Heisman, I saw him again.  I asked him if he would divulge who he voted for and he said he voted for Cam.   He said his wife asked him, “Are you sure you want to vote for him?  There is a lot of speculation that he got paid!”  Crow said he told her “I have to go off of his performance.  There wasn’t any proof when it was time to vote.  Just speculation.”

He followed that up with “Hell, everybody even sold their bowl game tickets back in our day.  We even networked with players at other schools sharing info about what everybody was getting for their tickets that year.  I remember calling some guys at Bama to see what they had gotten for tickets to a bowl we were going to play in.”

None of this is Michigan level cheating, but the idea that some blue blood schools weren’t paying under the table is ridiculous.  

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10 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

One more side note:  I bumped into John David Crow at random a few times over the years.  First time was at his grandson’s basketball game in Houston. 
 

We talked all kinds of stuff but especially football.  He could not have been more friendly and he remembered me every time I saw him. 
 

Right after Cam Newton won the Heisman, I saw him again.  I asked him if he would divulge who he voted for and he said he voted for Cam.   He said his wife asked him, “Are you sure you want to vote for him?  There is a lot of speculation that he got paid!”  Crow said he told her “I have to go off of his performance.  There wasn’t any proof when it was time to vote.  Just speculation.”

He followed that up with “Hell, everybody even sold their bowl game tickets back in our day.  We even networked with players at other schools sharing info about what everybody was getting for their tickets that year.  I remember calling some guys at Bama to see what they had gotten for tickets to a bowl we were going to play in.”

None of this is Michigan level cheating, but the idea that some blue blood schools weren’t paying under the table is ridiculous.  

Everyone literally acknowledged hundred dollar handshakes and shit line that in their posts. I certainly did in my post that you quoted. If you don’t see the difference between that and dropping 85k in cash for a player to sign, or hugh freeze texting players to go see his guy on staff for rent money, I just don’t know what to tell you. Do you simply think Darrell Royal threatened to turn guys in because we were all playing the same game?

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41 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Everyone literally acknowledged hundred dollar handshakes and shit line that in their posts. I certainly did in my post that you quoted. If you don’t see the difference between that and dropping 85k in cash for a player to sign, or hugh freeze texting players to go see his guy on staff for rent money, I just don’t know what to tell you. Do you simply think Darrell Royal threatened to turn guys in because we were all playing the same game?

Inflation calculator shows my boss was getting the equivalent of $10,255 per semester in today’s dollars.  Plus performance bonuses left in his locker.   And a car anytime he wanted it.  For a Texas basketball player in 1970 or whenever he played. 
 

Think objectively about what football recruits were getting.  At every big football school in the nation.  
 

That ain’t $100 handshake money.  You aren’t comparing apples to apples. 
 

Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made.  The process for making the sausage is the same at all the big football schools.  

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20 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

Inflation calculator shows my boss was getting the equivalent of $10,255 per semester in today’s dollars.  Plus performance bonuses left in his locker.   And a car anytime he wanted it.  For a Texas basketball player in 1970 or whenever he played. 
 

Think objectively about what football recruits were getting.  At every big football school in the nation.  
 

That ain’t $100 handshake money.  You aren’t comparing apples to apples. 
 

Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made.  The process for making the sausage is the same at all the big football schools.  

I notice you can’t really respond to my points about systemic issues, athletic department involvement, their differences, but hey you have an inflation calculator and your boss’s story. Meanwhile, I have firsthand experience in trying to raise money from UT alums at the dawn of the NIL era to pay for the pancake factory, and an athletic department that tried to ignore NIL for a fucking year, and 15 years of Texas losing recruits to the SEC right around Saban showing up, and also know people who work in recruiting who know the dollar amounts kids like Jalen Waddle were getting who insist Texas wouldn’t play the bag game. 
 

I do know some Texas basketball boosters in the modern era would pay kids some amount, but not tons. 
 

But hey, your boss got to borrow a car whenever he wanted…with restrictions…totally the same as buying an Eric Dickerson a trans am, I guess. 
 

and to be clear, my stance isn’t some moral high round. I don’t need it to feel good about myself. I’ve been bitching for 15 years Texas wouldn’t play the game. I’m thrilled we are now that it’s legal, because for awhile that wasn’t certain either.

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5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

It got to the point where if I saw a top 100 recruit have some sort of combination of Oregon, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, A&M (Fisher era), I’d know with almost certainty we weren’t getting the recruit.  

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