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3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

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The essay is about GenX from the standpoint that it's writing about how GenX white males didn't pay any price in connection with the implementation of DEI hiring policies.  The people who are in power among GenX are disproportionately white males.  And we didn't throw ourselves out of power.

That's a bit part of the thesis of the essay, and it's a part with which I strongly agree.

I'm not even disagreeing with the author's observations about the impact on his cohort of Millenial white males.  I'm just saying I don't care.


Fair enough not to care, although it turns out that the people you don’t care about found some people who do say they care. 

And in a neat trick: now that the knives are out, the old white guys with money still get make out ahead. But we can’t say that about others. So, maybe a bit of messaging discipline might be in order. 
 

 

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29 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

Starting the article now... I'm wondering if there's any consideration for the fact that the millennial generation was enormous (almost as large as boomers), and came into the workforce at the same time as wider spread automation, technology, and outsourcing. Those factors would seem to explain some of the lower job availability, particularly if you also include boomers staying in their jobs longer than their predecessors (due to lifespan and wellness changes when compared to the greatest generation). 

I did not see any mitigating circumstances which was one of my complaints.  Put all his energy into the life’s not fair and I’m a victim argument.  

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7 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

I did not see any mitigating circumstances which was one of my complaints.  Put all his energy into the life’s not fair and I’m a victim argument.  

I wonder who it's more unfair for, white men or everyone else.

It's a mystery.

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23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I wonder who it's more unfair for, white men or everyone else.

It's a mystery.

Honestly, I think it’s about the same. 

To achieve the basics of “The American Dream” in this world requires three or more of the following:

- brains
- looks
- family connections and money
- good health
- hard work


White men, out of the box, have one really big advantage: if they interact with police they almost certainly won’t die. That’s a very big deal and I don’t want to minimize it. 
But otherwise, the vast majority of white men under 45 are just as fucked as everyone else and the vast majority of them will struggle all their lives and not amount to shit. 

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43 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

the vast majority of white men under 45 are just as fucked as everyone else and the vast majority of them will struggle all their lives and not amount to shit. 

Their odds of success are much, much better.

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9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Their odds of success are much, much better.

For somebody under 45? Nah. If you take away the ~5% with money and family connections and they are just as fucked as everyone else.  
It’s nice not to get shot, tho. That’s not nothing. 

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9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

For somebody under 45? Nah. If you take away the ~5% with money and family connections and they are just as fucked as everyone else.  
It’s nice not to get shot, tho. That’s not nothing. 

I disagree as do the statistics 

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I’ve yet to see exceptional white men passed over. I’ve seen countless exceptional women and minorities be told to take a seat … over there. 

if white men are 28% of the population they should occupy 25-30% of all CEO, board, and other leadership positions. Finance, investment banking, private equity, law, CEOs, boards, etc are dominated by white men. Millennial men were the first to take it on the chin that’s true. I’m sorry. I tell my sons the closest thing to a guarantee is deciding for yourself that you are going to out work every dog out there. Be exceptional or be quiet. 

as for who got the nod, even if the women and minorities are privileged they are still less privileged than their white male counterparts parts. And by picking the easier ones first it will make room for more, representation matters, seeing a black woman on a corporate board matters even if she is privileged by class and education. 

as for corporate initiatives, some were woefully inadequate and poorly implemented but the best diversity programs strengthen organizations, it just so happens corporations want quick results and this is a long term play. I’ve been involved with several diversity initiatives that were unbelievably beneficial to the organization and plenty of white men were promoted. 

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For somebody under 45? Nah. If you take away the ~5% with money and family connections and they are just as fucked as everyone else.  
It’s nice not to get shot, tho. That’s not nothing. 

What percentage of black men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc?

What percentage of white men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc?

That’s the systemic advantage. And the gap there remains huge. That factor alone is hugely determinative of a person’s success.

Kid of a ditch digger is much less likely to achieve great success than the kid of a professional (and the grandkid, and great grandkid). And generations of history and practice made that gap, it hasn’t come even close to going away.

White men continue to ride the wave of the generational advantages of 300 fucking years. Now, that wave is 6 feet instead of 10. Waaaah.

Yeah, I know that a bazillion angry white men is bad for society. But…and this is important…fuck em. Fuck their entitled whiny asses.

Want something? Fucking earn it. Work HARDER. You know, all the things they tell minorities even today.
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21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


What percentage of black men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc?

What percentage of white men have a dad who is/was a doctor, lawyer, etc?

That’s the systemic advantage. And the gap there remains huge. That factor alone is hugely determinative of a person’s success.

Kid of a ditch digger is much less likely to achieve great success than the kid of a professional (and the grandkid, and great grandkid). And generations of history and practice made that gap, it hasn’t come even close to going away.

White men continue to ride the wave of the generational advantages of 300 fucking years. Now, that wave is 6 feet instead of 10. Waaaah.

Yeah, I know that a bazillion angry white men is bad for society. But…and this is important…fuck em. Fuck their entitled whiny asses.

Want something? Fucking earn it. Work HARDER. You know, all the things they tell minorities even today.

What if - and believe me this is hypothetical - but what if you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?

 

 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

What if - and believe me this is hypothetical - but what if you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?

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58 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

For somebody under 45? Nah. If you take away the ~5% with money and family connections and they are just as fucked as everyone else.  
It’s nice not to get shot, tho. That’s not nothing. 

I'm not so sure I agree with you. Not including the "families with money" as we are talking about here there is a huge value in just having family support to fall back on. During trump 1.0 a trumpy acquaintance of mine was going on the usual "well my family was middle class and mommy and daddy didn't pay for my college and I had to live at home after graduation to save money to buy a house, where's my white privilege? Why can't everyone else just do that?". I told him being a white male second Gen college graduate that was able to live rent free with his parents is a massive privilege that he for some reason thinks of as a hardship. No his parents aren't rich, but he'll never be homeless or unable to aquire appropriate clothes for an interview. 

Anyway he's a recruiter for corporate dentists or something now. Also still a total fucking moron and one of the stupidest people I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

I disagree as do the statistics 

Dude, whatever the number is- normalize for the zip code where they lived in high school and see what you’re left with.



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