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  1. 8 hours ago, Fozzz said:

    So your point is that since he can't prove Russian interference didn't cost Hillary the election, he's wrong? 

    Uh, If you state "___ is a matter of fact" and you don't actually know "___ is a matter of fact", then yeah, it's a reach.  Is this hard for you?

  2. 4 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

    And if the study had said that guns were the devil incarnate, the study would have been the end all be all for the gun control movement. It's like Global Warming, Global Cooling, Climate Change. Keep researching until you get the results you want.

    You must hang out with a lot of really stupid people, because most of us are actually capable of assessing data and forming a more cogent conclusion than "hurr durr".

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  3. 5 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:
    This is a completely opposite viewpoint of everything he says or tweets on a regular basis. 

    ""Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer ... Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will."

     

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  4. 2 minutes ago, Hate said:

    I could absolutely agree with all of these.  What will you suggest when all of these have been implemented and someone 22 years old buys 2 pistols and a few 10 round magazines from a licensed firearm dealer and then goes and shoots up a school or concert or movie theater?  Will that be just the cost of freedom?  Or will you be back here calling for the ban of pistols and 10 round magazines?  I have yet to see anyone actually suggest a way to stop these things. Maybe because there is no way to stop these things from happening short of instituting some extremely Orwellian measures.  

    I've said it several times -- liberty comes at a price.  Right now we are arguing about what that price should be, but by no means does that imply the price should be "loss of all liberty".

    We're sentient beings.  We can think.  We can reason.  We do it all the time.  We have non-zero speed limits.  We (theoretically) allow people to drink a moderate level of alcohol and drive.  We allow people to own AR-15 firearms but not full auto machine guns (in most cases).

    There may come a day when we change the maximum allowable speed limit.  There are currently efforts to further reduce legal BAC while driving.  We are discussing firearm ownership on this thread.  All different flavors of the same discussion:  individual liberty VS public safety.

    The "slippery slope" hysteria is just that.

  5. 1 minute ago, C-Man said:

    How about we start getting politicians who don't make politics their career? Term limits and so on. Elect these people and let them vote with clear consciences. Because this shit we got now, that shit doesn't seem to work.

    This presumes they have consciences, which I think is currently a stretch in many cases.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Hate said:

    And you won't just sit back and be happy that fewer people were killed in these mass shootings.  You'll be here announce how tired you are of this and we must do something.  Like I said, go ahead and implement the bans that have been suggested as they won't affect me in the slightest.  Personally, I don't think that we as a society have the stomach to do what is necessary to try to solve the issue as it would require giving up too much personal freedom.

    Uhhh . . . did you forget to change your sock?

  7. 1 minute ago, Hate said:

    So the assault rifle and high capacity ban goes into place tomorrow.  Stricter background checks go into place with waiting periods and all of that.  What is your plan when some kid gets a couple of pistols and shoots up a school? 

    My plan is to be as sad about that shooting as I am this shooting.

    What is your plan when the school shooting fatality rate drops by 70%?

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  8. 29 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

    Whoever said the end goal of reduction is elimination is right, whether people on the left side of this issue will admit it or consciously realize it themselves. 

    They were saying the end goal of FATALITY reduction is elimination.

    You & I aren't exactly on the same side of this argument, but I know you to be a pretty rational, thoughtful person.  Please don't presume to speak for those with whom you don't completely agree.  You are assuming that I and others like myself all want total elimination of guns, and that's just not true.  Saying that we just don't realize it yet is insulting.

  9. 3 minutes ago, Hate said:

    Why is your goal to reduce?  Why is it not to eliminate?

    Because a few gun deaths are good for society.

    WTF kind of stupid question was that?

    My BETTER answer would be that I understand the tug of war between liberty and societal effect and, for the most part, I would like to try to find some kind of middle ground where we don't destroy all 2A liberties yet also effect positive change.  It is a common struggle in a society that puts so much value on individual freedoms.

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