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TKthunder2

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  1. Old Big 12 should have just mirrored the SEC rivalry model. Play your division +1 rival and rotate through the other 5 less often. OU/NU UT/CU aggy/MU OSU/KSU TT/ISU BU/KU
  2. Travel partners aren’t for football they are for other sports. But to your point USC/UCLA are already travel partners so they don’t need anymore. But if they add a school like Washington then you’d need to add another for them like Oregon to have a travel partner basically so the Midwest teams could play both on Saturday/Tuesday in basketball before heading back to ORD or wherever. Adding Oregon/Washington (and Cal/Stanford) would give USC games in their same time zone which is more valuable to your athletes as jumping 2/3 time zones every other week can be trying. By adding UW/UO they likely makes the West Coast teams all ‘rivals’ and that would be 3 annual games of your 9 game football schedule, meaning you’d only have 3 Central/Eastern Timezone games each football season. And again while you might not care, the Big Ten likely cares more as a team that doesn’t have to travel West in the middle of conference play would be perceived as having an advantage over a team that doesn’t have to. With 4 west coast teams that would be 12 of the 14 East Coast teams traveling West each year which likely helps for competitive balance. I do agree with you that the Big Ten is going to expand and it largely depends on when ND joins, and who they can add from the ACC which is why I think they slowed down expanding again. If they load up to 20 now then UNC, Duke, UVA, ND, Miami, GT, and BC all want to jump onboard then they’ll have to either go bigger than what they want or turn down schools that might give them more bang for their buck than doubling down on the the PNW or SFO.
  3. Maybe more likely, but the SEC’s preference is for big flagship U of a Southern (or Southern-ish state). The New SEC is literally all flagship universities except Auburn, Mississippi State, and aggy. They’ll go after UNC and UVA because they are the schools with rich traditions and big fan bases that all the other Southern schools would want to associate with, the only question is do UNC/UVA want to associate with the SEC and Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Alabama or do they feel they have more in common with Michigan, Rutgers, Penn St, UCLA, and Nebraska?
  4. On UNC/UVA, fans generally want the SEC but their administration wanted the Big Ten for academic snobbery reasons. Still, now that the Big Ten is in LA and Texas has joined the SEC I think that perspective has changed fairly significantly. Travel in the Big Ten (especially if they expand further with UW, UO, Cal, Stanford as has been rumored a while back) is not going to be easy and you’re already seeing push back from student athletes (nothing too serious yet). That may be a concern for both administrators and fans alike. Texas joining the SEC along with Vandy and Florida really helps solidify the top end of the SEC’s academic standing and, along with aggy/Mizzou, helped changed the narrative. Both conferences have 5 AAU members and only the ACC has a R2 level research school (Wake Forest) all others are R1. The ACC without ND, UNC/UVA really doesn’t look to different than the SEC and they even invited the worst academic school out of the 31 schools in Louisville so they can’t be to high on their academic snootiness. Athletically, SEC football and baseball are obviously elite, and although the ACC has historical basketball success their actual success hasn’t been all that impressive as of late. If you really wanted to build a great basketball conference imagine Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke and Kansas playing in the same conference tournament which could only happen in the SEC since Kentucky isn’t going to leave. A combo of UNC/UVA & FSU/Clemson would be great for the SEC at 20.
  5. Men’s swimming has won 5 out of the last 8 national championships. Texas in general has won 8 national titles in the last 3 years. We’ll be fine.
  6. This has always been the case. The ACC is not really in danger of falling out of the P5 because they have many quality backfill options. WVU, Cincy, UConn, Memphis and if they lose FSU/Miami they’d take UCF/USF and still have a pretty solid conference. Worse case example: BC, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Memphis, Duke, Wake, UCF, USF
  7. No, most of that was raised. The PUF doesn’t get dispersed to the general endowment. The AUF gets distributed annually to pay interest on PUF bonds pulled for capital improvements and cannot go towards operational costs. Most of the non PUF endowment comes from fund raising. 2006-2014 $3billion was raised. 2016-2022 $3.3 billion was raised. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/05/university-texas-fundraising-endowment/ https://www.texastribune.org/2014/09/02/ut-austin-mission-accomplished-forh-3-billion-camp/
  8. The new SEC will have 8 teams that have a FBS national championship in the BCS/CFP era. 3 teams have legacy national championships from way back in the day and 5 teams have never won a title. If the 11 teams with a title, aggy’s is by far the oldest. Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee are in the first group. Arkansas, Ole Miss, and aggy are in the 2nd group.
  9. PUF in 2022 was valued at $24billion. Only 2/3 of that is for UT so $16 billion for the entire UT system. The endowment for the entire UT system is $43 billion as of 2021. So the PUF only makes up 37% of the UT System endowment.
  10. PUF doesn’t even make up half of the endowment anymore. They raised over $3 billion nearly a decade ago just from bugging the shit out of our alumni.
  11. lulz 8 teams in the new SEC have BCS/CFP titles and you have aggy as the only school that has 3 of the 8 as rivals. All others are playing 1 or 2 max. I’m not aggy fan, but I can’t see the SEC shitting on them that badly (though I’d laugh if they did). Other than that, this is a really solid plan that I think would satisfy just about every team in the SEC outside of College Station. Only a few active rivalry misses (some of which for competitive balance and simple mathematics have to occur): aggy/Arkansas (this was always forced anyways, everyone knew Arkansas just wanted a Texas annually again) Arkansas/LSU (again this was forced to since neither had a rival for rivalry weekend, conference could make sure they have LSU and aggy opposite each other on their schedule so they for sure play 1 of these two each year) Ole Miss/Vandy (this one is real but both keep their #1 and #2 rivals so it’s expendable) Alabama/LSU (massive loss by not having this game but more so on LSU’s side than Bama, this one has to go to keep a competitive balance, Bama can’t be rivals with Auburn/Tenn and LSU and have a 4th major game from UF/UGA/Texas/OU that would just be too much) UF/Tenn (doesn’t have as many matchups as it made out to be, Tenn is in high demand as Vandy&Kentucky’s #1 rival, and UF has UGA&LSU so dropping Tenn makes sense, especially since you know they would have dropped them in order to restore their annual game with Auburn if they could. Tenn could have UF/UGA opposite each other on the schedule so they play at least one every year and Florida could mirror the same setup with Tenn/Auburn too)
  12. You’re just plain wrong on this one. Of course Cincy and UCF would have picked the Big 12 over the PAC but for obvious geographical reasons. Houston would want to join the power conference that had the remaining SWC members but if USC hadn’t blocked expansion in the wake of UT/OU’s departure announcement that scenario would have been drastically different. Tech and Oklahoma State (the two schools perceived as the biggest powers remaining) would have bolted immediately so secure their spots in a P4 conference. The PAC12 securing themselves with 12 and dropping the Big 12 permanently down to number 5 in the pecking order. Both schools are quality big state non religious that were already previously invited to the conference (as tag-a-longs) and could have bolstered the ranks of the PAC with little debate. Then the PAC12 could have reviewed its options and taken its time to grab #13/14 and even 15/16 if the numbers justified it. They would have had it’s pick of the remaining R8 schools like Kansas, K State, Iowa State, TCU, and Baylor, plus expansion candidates like BYU and Houston. My gut says they would have gone with Kansas, Houston, TCU, and Iowa State; then you’d have a PAC that looked like this: UW, WSU, UO, OrSU, Cal, Stan, AZ, ASU, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, UH, OkSU, KU, ISU and a Big 12 that looked like this: SDSU, Boise St, BYU, Baylor, SMU, K State, Cincy, WVU, Memphis, Tulane, UCF, USF Clearly the PAC would have been the better conference and would have secured their spot as #4 maybe even #3 after the upcoming ACC raids. I don’t blame USC for leaving, but let’s not act like their choices (coupled with Stanford/Cal’s arrogance) weren’t directly responsible for relegating the PAC12 down to the worst P5 conference.
  13. I’d bet you a mortgage payment, assuming the 3-6-6 model, that OU gets Texas and Mizzou. Their #3 is the only part that is really open to debate.
  14. Yep case scenario UF gets stuck with UGA, SC, and Mizzou they’d still get a home schedule where they will host one of Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and another from Texas, Oklahoma, aggy, Arkansas and another from Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St. UF 23 home SEC schedule - Tenn, Vandy, Arkansas 22 - LSU, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mizzou 21 - Alabama, Tenn, Vandy last time they played Auburn at home was 2019
  15. Florida is an odd one, they have lots of rivals but for most they are like the 3rd/4th and not 1st/2nd. Georgia and South Carolina (even if UF doesn’t care about them) make sense. Yes, they may lose Tenn/LSU annually but they add in Auburn/Alabama which helps restore the Auburn rivalry to a better state than it’s been in since the E/W split and especially since they expanded in 2012. They also mix in more West teams, plus Texas/OU in place of UK/Vandy/Mizzou which can only help their schedule. Every team is going to bitch and moan a little but Florida honestly may be better off with losing LSU/Tenn as a rival even if it stings for a bit. LSU is in a similar boat. Arkansas and aggy may consider them their top rival, but LSU doesn’t reciprocate. The other schools who they consider rivals have LSU as their #3/4. So, like UF this process may sting a little for them too.
  16. So what I’m hearing is that they would pair well with Oklahoma and Arkansas…
  17. SEC and ESPN want to hype up Texas and Oklahoma’s first big time SEC games against the top of the SEC. Hyping up Texas/Bama in a few years will lose some of its luster/novelty (and some eyeballs too) since we just played. They didn’t want to compound that issue with OU/UGA.
  18. Quoting myself to bump an older post where I posted a 3-6-6 model with the added context of all time wins and some reasoning around why. Since this was a topic of conversation figured some people might like to see the data. LSU and Tennessee might be a little easier, Arkansas might be a little difficult but it protects the most rivalries possible. Again, I doubt this is the model but I think it’s far closer that some of the others I’ve seen posted on here.
  19. This is not right aggy has played LSU more than OU Oklahoma has played Mizzou more than anyone other than Texas Arkansas has more history with LSU and Ole Miss than OU
  20. Only conference champs can get byes (this was the Notre Dame rule). So only the winner of the SECCG will get that.
  21. Original Big 12 had 7 AAU members. The new Big 12 will only have 1 (Kansas). Kansas is still one of, if not the top, academic school in the Big 12.
  22. Hey Einstein, grouped rivalries in sets of 4 are PODS, and pods are not happening. Also who gives a fuck about Mizzou? Do you really think Mizzou/OU would generate any significant amount of revenue? The new SEC has 8 programs with titles in the BCS/CFP era, 3 with titles pre BCS, and 5 with no titles. Mizzou is in that last group and doesn’t have any history (outside of Oklahoma) that they can leverage within the SEC which makes them fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Mizzou will be rivals with Oklahoma due to their Big8/12 history, and at least one school somewhat geographically close to them (think Arkansas, Kentucky, Vandy) and whoever else is left over that needs a 3rd rival (like South Carolina or Mississippi St).
  23. They’ve already said East/West split is (like pods) not happening. It 3-6-6 9 game model or 1-7-7 8 game model. 9 game seems like the only true option. Your rivalries are also woefully unbalanced and incomplete. You have 8 power teams in the new SEC that all have a title in the BCS/CFP era: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, and even though they don’t have a title you have to include aggy for 9. No team will have 3 permanent rivalries from this group, and all these will play 2 from this group, and those not in this group will play at least 1 from this group. Alabama - Auburn/Tennessee Auburn - Alabama/Georgia Georgia - Auburn/Florida Texas - Oklahoma/aggy aggy - Texas/LSU Florida - Georgia/ ???? (TN/LSU/OU) Tennessee - Alabama/ ???? (UF/LSU/OU) LSU - aggy/ ???? (UF/OU/TN) Oklahoma - Texas/ ???? (LSU/TN/UF) then you fill in the third rival for the teams above from the remaining Alabama - Mississippi St Auburn - Mississippi St Georgia - Kentucky Texas - Arkansas aggy - Arkansas Florida - South Carolina Tennessee - Vandy LSU - Ole Miss Oklahoma - Mizzou then mix in what’s left OleMiss/Mississippi St OleMiss/Vandy Mizzou/Arkansas Mizzou/Kentucky Kentucky/South Carolina Vandy/South Carolina Again I’m not saying this will be the schedule 100% (fairly confident it won’t be this) but something like this will be laid out so that everyone has at least 1 big time rival and you don’t have teams like UK/Mizzou/MSU with no rivals in the top group of schools.
  24. I’m going to pistol whip the next mother fucker that talks about pods. PODS ARE NOT HAPPENING.
  25. The SEC has added 5 schools in the West and only a single school in the East. South Carolina was always going to be the odd ball. Basically every school (that has more than one) will get 2 true rivals and the SEC will likely assign the third. SC’s most played SEC games are Georgia (74), Florida (42), Tennessee (40), Kentucky (32) so they’ll likely get UGA/UF and a rando school like Mizzou as their #3. Florida’s are Georgia (99), Auburn (84), Kentucky (72), LSU (68) so they’ll likely get UGA/LSU and have to deal with SC as their #3. Florida is one of those schools in an odd position in the conference but I’m almost positive they’ll have UGA and SC as rivals, but #3 depends on how it shakes out will the other lineups and could be LSU, Tennessee, or possibly even Oklahoma (worst case scenario for them).
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