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Posts posted by Hank Kingsley
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February 9th, 2019...2 weeks after starting his exploratory committee and 2 months before he officially announced his candidacy.
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8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
That’s what this is ultimately about. Where do you plan to move the country as president? You don’t become god when you’re elected president and get to automatically implement everything you want.
You are merely given the power and platform to move the U.S. government and society in a direction towards your vision.
I totally agree.
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3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
What a weird take. You just said that Pete is one of the candidates who coopted the M4A label only to come out with a less-fullsome variant, and that your worry is that Warren will do the same thing. But he's your #1 candidate. OK.
Well, Pete was proposing "Medicare For All Who Want It" in February, two weeks after he announced his exploratory committee and two months before he officially announced his candidacy. So as a presidential candidate he's been consistent. He's believed for years that universal healthcare should be the ultimate goal, but offers a different way to get there and not on a specific timeline.
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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
The thing about Warren’s plans is they’re not so much actual bills she’s promising but more about articulating her vision and values for America through her policy ideas.
She has articulated where she wants America to be on healthcare and that’s with a single payer system. The criticism for a lack of details on this issue at this moment in time is really just concern trolling. As if there aren’t plenty of workable ways to get to a single payer healthcare system.
LMAO.
"She has a vision for that!"
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3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
It sounds to me like Bernie is the right candidate for you. Warren isn't Bernie. I'm certain that he will never settle for anything less than what he's proposed and that he would take nothing over a compromise. I think she'd fight for M4A but ultimately compromise to get something passed. That's why I prefer her, but I can understand why others might not. And she could copy and paste Bernie's bill to her website, but it wouldn't change any of that.
You're missing my point. Pete is my #1 right now and Warren is #2. I'm not a person that demands Bernie's M4A plan.
I just want her to be forthright. That's it.
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1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:
So repeatedly saying she's for M4A with her mouth and on Twitter isn't enough, but a link on her website would satisfy you? That's absurd.
Yes, a detailed plan would satisfy me.
We've already seen numerous candidates say at some point over the last few years that they believe in M4A, only to present a healthcare plan that isn't Bernie's M4A. They've adopted the term but framed their plans differently on how we would get to universal healthcare (including Pete!).
So excuse me for being a little suspicious when Warren uses the language but hasn't dropped a plan. Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.
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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Therefore what?
Therefore just because a Senator co-sponsored Bernie's bill doesn't mean their presidential candidate plan will be the same?
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4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Yeah, and releasing her own plan locks her down into a new can of worms I’m sure no one would attack her on.
I hope she sticks to her guns and keeps evading the “gotcha questions.”
Apparently Elizabeth Warren, and only Elizabeth Warren, should AVOID releasing a detailed healthcare plan because that is smart strategy.
At least you admit her nomination should be a coronation 3 1/2 months before Iowa.
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2 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:
Did she not co-sponsor Bernie's bill? What am I missing here?
Kamala and Booker co-sponsored as well. They both flipped to something different.
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Just now, Mojo Hand said:
Right, she's getting continually pressed on a single detail of her plan because she doesn't have a plan. That makes sense.
The fact that she has repeatedly dodged a simple yes/no question and is the only major candidate not to release a detailed plan makes me wonder if she's really for M4A. Can you blame me?
Again, if she dropped a detailed M4A plan tomorrow (or just linked Bernie's plan on her website), I'd be done with this. I'm simply not going to buy the GOP attack ad talking point excuse.
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Just now, Mojo Hand said:
You seem to think people are robots who process information rationally and without emotion. If that were true, Trump wouldn't be president. There's a reason everyone keeps asking Warren to say the words, and it isn't because they don't know the answer.
It's because she hasn't officially released a healthcare plan. That would make all the questions go away. Seems pretty easy to do.
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Just now, Mojo Hand said:
You're undermining your own point. How do you not see that this add is nowhere near as effective as replacing those quotes with "yes, middle class taxes will go up"?
Independents and Republicans sitting at home eating popcorn.
"Yeah, I don't believe that ad. I didn't specifically hear the word 'taxes' come out of her mouth, so it can't possibly be true. Liz 2020!"
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*ominous evil movie trailer guy voice*
Bernie Sanders' Medicare For All plan will raise taxes on the middle class, taking money away from hard working families...
CUT TO: Warren on stage at 2nd debate, camera pans closer and closer to her face
WARREN
"I'm with Bernie on Medicare For All"
*Quick rewind of tape*
WARREN
"I'm with Bernie on Medicare For All"
*Quick rewind of tape"
WARREN
"I'm with Bernie on Medicare For all"
Cut to BLACK
*ominous evil movie trailer guy voice*
Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren will raise taxes on the middle class.
There's your fucking attack ad. Stop being suckers.
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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
The only reason the Petehead vampire brigade wants her to talk about it is so they can say, "Oh so you want to RAISE TAXES????" because they are 1990s Republicans at heart.
Haha, nope.
She hasn't released a detailed healthcare plan. If she dropped a real M4A plan on her website and admitted that middle class taxes would go up, but overall costs would go down, there'd be nothing to complain about.
You don't see me bitching about Bernie on this issue.
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2 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:
It's really the only explanation that makes sense. If Liz and Bernie know that projections show M4A will actually save people money (as in the amount in additional taxes will be less than the current premiums/deductibles for the VAST majority of Americans), what other reason could they have for not articulating this to everyone watching these debates. Might it be that some dickface on the trump campaign will clip the soundbite and broadcast through every media outlet that the socialist dems will in FACT raise your taxes to pay for the healthcare of all the dirty mexicans crossing illegally? Remember the doctored clip of Jim Acosta "assaulting" the press room microphone lady? Or shit, Hillary's deplorable comment if we want to see how it plays during a campaign?
The GOP could run an attack ad RIGHT NOW on Warren over middle class taxes if they want. They don't need some precious "soundbite" to literally say whatever the fuck they want about ANY candidate. What planet am I on? Where are their attack ads on Bernie for telling the truth about taxes for M4A?
If they needed a soundbite, they already have it. "I'm with Bernie on Medicare For All". Boom. That's all they need.
How do you dodge this for another year? Is Warren planning on not releasing a detailed healthcare plan?
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4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
They just want her to say the words "Yes middle class taxes will go up" on camera so it can be used against her in deceptive ads.
How do you buy this complete nonsense?
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From the linked article:
QuoteFormer Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas wasn’t so delicate. Was she telling the truth? I asked. “She failed to do that tonight, and she’s failed to do that in previous debates,” O’Rourke replied. “And I think on an issue as important as health care, and an issue as important as taxes on the middle class, this country deserves to hear the truth.”
Beto, how DARE YOU
QuoteJeff Weaver, Sanders’s chief strategist, resisted a question from another reporter asking if Warren was dishonest, but he argued that his own boss was being “straightforward” in saying that raising taxes would help pay for Medicare for All. “That’s the honest answer; that’s the only answer,” he told me when I followed up.
Stop throwing Liz under the bus!
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LOL, who hacked his account?
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Buttigieg advisor:
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Buttigieg 2020
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"attack ads"