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It is a thing. Not sure what to tell you. I'm not saying it's happening at Texas, but it is definitely happening. I know of specific examples where it absolutely happened.
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Right now it's kind of questionable what restrictions they can put on student athletes and then defend it in a court of law. I guess they can maintain you have to be enrolled as a student in order to play sports. But there are plenty of players paying people to take their classes for them. When you're getting paid 6 and 7 figures to play football, it's pretty easy to afford to pay someone to take your classes for you. Then it's up to the integrity of each school whether they're going to turn a blind eye to it or not.
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Negative Recruiting Your Own School: The aggy Screenshot Megathread
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I don't think the original Aggie poster was saying they used to not be gay and now they are. I believe he's saying they used to be tops and now they're bottoms. -
Negative Recruiting Your Own School: The aggy Screenshot Megathread
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I appreciate the other Aggies maintaining the cult when a couple of posters try to make a modicum of sense. -
The presidency of the university is open. Eltife should bring in a massive billionaire (because apparently a regular ole billionaire won't cut it any more) with an intense interest in football. The talk about Elon Musk both for and against is beyond asinine, but I see the same talk on message boards around the country. It's pretty much inherent we're posting on message boards because we're mildly mentally unstable about our favorite team, we're helpless to do anything about it, and so we rail into the ether among our fellow mentally unstable cohorts creating arguments and also echo chambers regarding how to solve things upon which most of us will never have an actual impact. The call for some kind of wealthy benefactor to be the savior of the program in the same way Phil Knight is for Oregon is ubiquitous across college football message boards. The idea some folks landed on Elon Musk is a bit absurd, but no more absurd than the violent reaction it precipitated. I'd still take our position over Oregon's. They have revenue generation limitations that aren't going away. They don't have a deep bench of wealthy benefactors, even if their one big whale is emotionally invested in the program's success that's probably unparalleled anywhere else. When he's dead - and he's 86 right now - what was somewhat limitless will become an annual fixed figure. The key thing to understand is that market prices are going to continue to experience massive inflation, especially for players who appear to be can't miss difference makers. So the ability to continue to stay in the game is critical to future success, regardless of whether Texas is number one in NIL funding or not.
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Penn State's offseason doesn't seem to be going so well. Lose both top WRs, a former 4 star backup WR, the DC, plus a few bits and bobs. Maybe James Franklin thinks the transfer portal is a top 5 college football team.
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Where is the ability to step into the tackle of opponents even though the protection otherwise is pretty good? Which category does that fall under?
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I understand that. I was simply rebutting that the PFF narrative was fact. It was speculation. Could be it went down exactly how they speculated. I don't know. But they were very forthright in saying it was no kind of inside information. They simply looked at org charts and that's what they came up with.
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People think it started with Switzer. The whole program's success was built on buying veterans returning from WWII. Wilkinson's 47 game winning streak over the course of 5 seasons was a semi pro team. Then regional programs started emulating their success, including Oklahoma State under Jimmy Johnson and Pat Jones, TCU with F.A. Dryer, we know about SMU and A&M. At some point if you weren't willing to go balls deep in this region it was challenging to compete for talent. And all of it stemmed from trying to recruit against Texas, which had every natural recruiting advantage known to man. Bryant was a known bag man aficionado. When Mike Dubose was hired the wealthy alums got together with him, threw a satchel of cash on a table, and announced to Dubose, "This is how we recruit at Alabama." Saban transformed college football recruiting in all kinds of ways, paying agents to bring players to campus. Throwing out uncommittable offers left and right. You had to get to campus for summer camps in order to make it a committable offer, which was often rescinded even if it had been accepted if Saban could upgrade the roster with someone else. Saban was the first to develop the official unofficial visit, which ended up being copied throughout college football, and still exists today. Players and their families are paid for their flights and accommodations to increase the amount of times they visit campus to create an edge in recruiting. Everyone does it now for junior days, camps, barbeques, pool parties, what have you. But Alabama started it. The most hilarious thing during this era was to see fans on message boards talk about players "getting to campus on their own dime." Rrrrrrrrright. As far as enforcement, I find it laughable people think there's some way to enforce pay for play. If I want to pay a college player to endorse my product, who are you to tell me I'm paying outside market prices for them to do so? How is that supposed to get enforced? If they set up a youtube site and I donate money to their channel, is that pay for play or do I just really enjoy their content and want them to continue to put more out there? There is only one body who can make some kind of rules for college football at this point that has any chance of surviving the court system, and that's Congress. And I don't think we're anywhere close to that happening. College sports is going to have to collapse in some major way before congress is going to get involved. Instead, it's printing money hand over fist. Sure, the money isn't being fairly distributed and there's less parity now than there ever has been, but revenues overall continue to increase. But it's like Hemingway's character Mike Campbell says in The Sun Also Rises. "How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked. "Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly." Like any number of industries with unsustainable business models, the collapse of college football's economics is going to be gradual and then sudden. We're in the gradual part right now, where many have nots are going to have to either drop their program or simply admit they're never going to actually be competitive. Thankfully, Texas will always be one of the last ones standing, but just because Texas athletic can survive pretty much any financial crisis this model might throw at them, not everyone will, and eventually it's going to be so bad outside forces are going to step in. But when you have a labor force whose pay rate is governed by an emotional investment in the success of the organization, with no external guardrails in terms of how much compensation can be provided, disaster is inevitable.
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Sub-Educated Cretins: The SEC screenshot mega-thread
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You mean the Vince Young that Greg Davis insisted take snaps under center and be a drop back passer while trying to change his throwing motion? That Vince Young? -
I'd be okay with taking a step back from making the semifinals as long as we don't fall into the purgatory of irrelevance like from 1984-1997 and then again from 2010 to 2022. Since I don't foresee that happening, especially in this NIL/portal era, I'm not terrible concerned about it. My key thing regarding OL is bringing in enough quality bodies. That has been our issue for decades prior to Flood/Sarkisian. We simply didn't recruit enough OL. Many of them aren't going to pan out, but it's difficult to know until they're on campus for a couple of years. If you're only fielding 12 or so on the roster, that's simply not enough to field high end OLs year after year. I don't see the same issue with our current roster and talent acquisition strategies. The current coaching staff developed the current offensive line after years of it being dogshit. I have confidence they can do it again. Maybe next year is a bit of a downturn, but that's okay.
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Allegedly. It's not actually clear what the impetus was for running so many counter running plays. The speculation from PFF was that it was the running backs coach, Carlos Locklyn, because of his association with Florida State head coach Mike Norvell. However, that association consisted of being a weight room assistant, an analyst, and the director of high school relations - one year at Memphis and then another year at Florida State. He was the running backs coach at Oregon for two years, and Oregon also runs a relatively high percentage of counter plays, and HC Dan Lanning is also part of the Mike Norvell coaching tree from his two years at Memphis, but I don't know of any commentary from Buckeye sources, and certainly nothing official, as to what the source was for the change in the running game, or who was responsible for the change or implementation. Not that it's wrong. But I don't think we're being accurate to just throw it out there as factual, when PFF themselves said it was pure speculation on their part. It should be stated within that context.
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I don't understand the wringing of hands over some kind of mythical "win now" mentality. I feel like people think this is professional sports, with either some kind of salary cap/luxury tax, or the need for an owner who is so wealthy and so driven to win that they don't care what it costs. There is no salary cap. We'll have to see how it looks after the settlement, but anyone who thinks that will be the final rule set college sports plays with for the next few years is kidding themselves. And until some capable enforcement body is set up that can actually investigate where the money is going and who it's coming from with a high degree of accuracy and can defend their actions successfully in a court of law - both factors whose chances I find negligible in terms of actually becoming reality - we're going to continue to have the wild wild west in terms of compensation for college athletes. The limiting factor really is how many deep pockets see an emotional return on investment from contributing to talent acquisition, specifically on an ad hoc basis. General NIL can be used to budget and provide minimum levels of compensation. But the kind of talent acquisition some of you are so worried about - "have to take advantage of Arch!" can only be provided by whales. I can't speak to each whale's ego, how it's fed, what makes it compelling for them to grant large dispensations to individual players. What I can say is that creating a sense of urgency with "have to take advantage of Arch!" or whatever other artificial sense of urgency that can be created, is effective. If someone is constrained with limited personal wealth to where they can't afford to invest in a college player one year without bankrupting themselves in investing in a college player the next year, they're probably not a good candidate to be approaching in the first place. I know that everyone has a limit. Phil Knight has a limit, and I doubt there's anyone spending as much on a single athletic program than he is at Oregon at every level. If he didn't have a limit Oregon would sign everyone they go after, but that's not what happens. They manage the team budget. They have a very sophisticated operation going on with a list of donors to approach. They make sure if a potential player is throwing off the budget for the entire team they can justify internally, both to the people putting up the cash, and the players already on the roster. Someone like Dillon Gabriel gets a premium, but it's easily explained to the players why that's the case. Someone asking for an absurd amount of NIL money to sign isn't automatically signed. They have to make sense to the roster, both in terms of contributing and in terms of what the overall payment structure is. Same thing with Texas, except Texas has a much deeper bench of donors. But even then, when someone is ponying up the money to grab a special talent, it's an emotional appeal that secures the deal. Not some kind of rational NFL GM approach. Honestly, that's why NIL isn't sustainable as a college football model. There's no guardrails. There's always going to be a Phil Knight type whose emotional fulfillment regarding his alma mater winning a national championship supersedes whatever financial sense it makes to compensate the players. It's still the market driving prices, but it's a market of 17th century tulips. In the meantime, I'm all in favor of going as all in as the big donors are willing to from one year to the next. Next year will take care of itself. And let's face it, the rules are highly likely to radically change from one year to the next, with no effective overseer trying to enforce them. For the foreseeable future, really.
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If the screen pass doesn't go for a touchdown we kick a field goal there. And yes, the toss sweep was retarded.
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I'm not holding the defense to a higher standard. They played awesome. So did Ohio State's. But it wasn't just a boneheaded play. Allowing Ohio State to score on a screen pass right after the kickoff from the 25 yard line with 20 seconds until half goes a little beyond a boneheaded play. Because it was such a low scoring game, that made a huge difference in the outcome. Ohio State had two touchdown scoring drives. Texas had two touchdown scoring drives. So the difference in the score was the screen pass and the fumble recovery for a touchdown. You don't have the screen pass, you don't have the fumble recovery for a touchdown because we're attempting a field goal there. That's just the facts. It doesn't take away from how awesome the defense played all year long. They especially put on a showcase in short yardage situations, including this game. I'm not willing to dismiss it as "a boneheaded play. Oh well. They're allowed one of those." It changed the entire complexion of the game. It was arguably the key play of the entire ball game. You could see four players take bad angles trying to tackle Henderson around the 50, instead of simply trying to keep him from scoring. That's because they're aggressive and they thought they could cut him off, but it meant that no one tackled him and they get 7 points out of the deal. To me it feels like a "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?" sort of moment.
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I will point out if we don't give up the TD with 20 seconds left in the half from the 25 yard line on that screen pass, the score is 14-14 there and we kick the field goal. Well, try to kick the field goal in any case. Then it's on the defense to stop them. That TD on the screen pass changed the complexion of everything.
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I agree. But that screen pass for a TD with 20 seconds left until half was pivotal. It's going to be tough to compete with programs like Ohio State, Texas, and Oregon year after year in the portal era. I expect us to have a significant talent advantage against most teams from now on until congressional legislation is passed. And who knows when that will be or what it will look like. It's a shame this wasn't for the national championship. Probably will be in years to come.
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Why Ohio State Stomps a Mudhole In Texas' Ass
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Game Week Thread 2024 Week 17 - Cotton Bowl CFP Semifinal Texas vs Ohio State
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Yeah, it seems like if the betting is as one sided as that little snapshot makes it out to be, Vegas will be rooting for Texas. My only thing is that I don't think that twitter pic is reflective of the actual betting, otherwise we would have seen the line move in the other direction. -
Game Week Thread 2024 Week 17 - Cotton Bowl CFP Semifinal Texas vs Ohio State
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I hope Sarkisian has a long heart felt talk with him prior to a game winning field goal. -
Game Week Thread 2024 Week 17 - Cotton Bowl CFP Semifinal Texas vs Ohio State
SL Xpress replied to Wulaw Horn's topic in Football
You'd be amazed at how little I care about Ohio State football. As far as I'm concerned college football wasn't even played from 2010 to 2022 other than the 2018 season. And that one was like enjoying a mirage. Since you're not a Texas fan you have no idea really what I'm talking about. But no one gave Texas a chance in 96 against Nebraska, and more surprisingly, USC was practically crowned the champion prior to the game after the 2005 season. That one made no sense to me. I at least understand why everyone is picking Ohio State in this game. I just know Texas is an extremely talented team, and if they put it together Ohio State could be the ones wondering what truck just hit them the same way Tennessee and Oregon felt after their games with the Buckeyes. Especially Ewers. If the Ewers from the Alabama or Michigan game shows up, it could spell real trouble for Ohio State. -
Game Week Thread 2024 Week 17 - Cotton Bowl CFP Semifinal Texas vs Ohio State
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It feels like Nebraska '96 and USC 2005 all over again. As long as it's not Miami 1990. But this is a different Texas team than that one. They absolutely belong on the field with this Ohio State team, regardless. -
When you say it's not working, what do you mean? There is no question there are fewer helmet on helmet collisions. We're not going to have zero. Maybe we should have a ceremony in the middle of the field where we cut the offender's right hand off right after it happens. Or send them to the prison. We still see facemasks occur, too. We're paying large, fast men to collide into one another as hard and as fast as they can. There's an inherent danger to that. We can minimize some of the risks, but at the end of the day there is always going to be a health risk, both short term and long term. It's like road safety. There is no question if the speed limit on all highways were reduced to 50 miles an hour and strictly enforced, there would be fewer traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities. There's a tradeoff involved. Same thing with football. There's no question in my mind the sport is safer now than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. But the risk and physicality is part of its appeal. I also don't think targeting is ever going to be consistently applied as a call, any more than holding or pass interference will be. Maybe we'll see improvements, but I predict it's always going to be a controversial call in the future no matter what is done. Some of this is CYA in any case. "See? We're doing something to make the game safer! Now purchase the advertised products, pay for tickets, and buy lots and lots of concessions and merchandise!"
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Why Ohio State Stomps a Mudhole In Texas' Ass
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The curse is real. No one has ever won a game with the mudhole curse upon them. OSU's doom is sealed.
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