Jump to content

La Liga 2023-2024


WBT

Recommended Posts

Kicks off with two games tomorrow including Sevilla vs Valencia.  All games on ESPN+ again.

Alaves, Granada, and Las Palmas are newly promoted.  Courtois apparently tore his ACL today so Real Madrid are looking for another keeper.  They're also supposed to be moving back into the renovated Bernabeu in December.  Meanwhile, Barca is playing in the Olympic Stadium on Montjuic this season while the Camp Nou is renovated, starting with a comeback over Tottenham yesterday for the Gamper.  At least fans can ride the skytram back down to the city this year.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38122921/laliga-preview-madrid-barca-title-race-guide

Spoiler

LaLiga 2023-24 preview: Madrid, Barca title race, team guide

 

Sam Marsden

Alex Kirkland

Aug 8, 2023, 12:01 PM ET

 

LaLiga is back. The 2023-24 season kicks off on Friday with Almeria vs. Rayo Vallecano, with the league's big two getting underway on Saturday -- with Real Madrid visiting Athletic Club -- and Sunday, as Barcelona travel to Getafe.

- Stream on ESPN+: LaLiga, Bundesliga, more (U.S.)

Will champions Barca retain their crown? Can a new-look Real Madrid bounce back? Could Atletico Madrid repeat their 2021 title win? And which of a host of contenders -- Real Sociedad, Real Betis, Villarreal, a revitalised Sevilla -- will clinch a top four finish?

ESPN's Sam Marsden and Alex Kirkland take a team-by-team look at the league, assessing each club's changing fortunes, players to keep an eye on, and their managers' job security.

As the 2023-24 LaLiga season begins, can Barcelona defend their league title as Real Madrid look to take the crown back? (Photo by Antonio Villalba/Real Madrid via Getty Images)

Team-by-team guide

Alaves

- Transfers in: DF Rafa Marin (Real Madrid), MF Antonio Blanco (Real Madrid), FW Giuliano Simeone (Atletico Madrid), MF Ander Guevara (Real Sociedad)
- Transfers out: DF Victor Laguardia (retired)
- Last season: Segunda (promoted via playoffs), Copa del Rey (round of 16)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Alaves' 2022-23 ended in the most dramatic way possible. A fourth-place finish in Segunda -- after a nail-biting five-team race -- sent them to the playoffs, where they were seconds from missing out on promotion when Asier Villalibre converted a 124th minute penalty in the second leg of the final against Levante. With the game's last kick, heartbreak turned to euphoria in an instant, and Alaves were up.

It's hard to imagine this season living up to that level of drama. Survival in Primera would be enough. Alaves have been First Division regulars over the last decade -- with six consecutive top flight seasons from 2016 to 2022 -- and boast an atmospheric, old-school stadium in Mendizorroza, but this squad looks weak, and a relegation battle is inevitable.

Can Alaves' Luis Rioja inspire the team in their promotion season and avoid a relegation battle? (Photo by Jose Luis Contreras/DAX Images/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

Key player: Luis Rioja

You could make a case for two promising former Real Madrid youngsters: Antonio Blanco, 23, previously one of Spain's top-rated teenage midfielders, and Rafa Marin, 21, a centre-back who's tough beyond his years. But let's go for wide forward Rioja, 29. A late-career renaissance last season saw him score 10 goals in Segunda, more than double his previous best tally. You might say that, like a fine wine, he's getting better with age.

Will their manager last the season?

No. Luis Garcia Plaza is a likeable coach who's well used to a relegation scrap, but his record in Primera is mixed, to say the least. Winning promotion earned him some credit but Alaves managers don't tend to last long, and if they're struggling come the fall, don't be surprised to see them make a change. -- Kirkland

Almeria

- Transfers in: FW Luis Suarez (Marseille), MF Dion Lopy (Stade Reims), DF Edgar Gonzalez (Real Betis)
- Transfers out: FW El Bilal Toure (Atalanta), FW Cristian Olivera (Los Angeles FC), DF Rodrigo Ely (Gremio), DF Nikola Maras (Alaves)
- Last season: LaLiga (17th), Copa del Rey (first round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

After flirting with relegation, the experienced Vicente Moreno has come in to replace Rubi as coach. Striker Luis Suarez (not that one) could prove a good pick up from Marseille after his loan was made permanent, although the loss of El Bilal Toure to Atalanta will be felt. They are likely to be in and around the relegation race, but have the squad to do better than they did last season.

EDITOR'S PICKS

Making sense of the Mbappe saga: What will PSG star do next?

14dGab Marcotti

As Man City legend, World Cup winner Silva's retires, his legend swells

10dSid Lowe

Why it's time for Barcelona to move on from Ousmane Dembele

8dGraham Hunter

Key player: Lucas Robertone

Midfielder Robertone has long been their most creative player and the onus will once again be on the Argentine to create for the forwards and chip in with a few goals of his own.

Will their manager last the season?

Moreno returns to Spain after a year with Saudi Professional League club Al Shabab FC. He worked wonders with Mallorca previously and, with the benefit of hindsight, did OK at Espanyol, at least at first. In a league that will be rife with manager dismissals, he looks a good appointment and has a decent shot at lasting the year. -- Marsden

Athletic Club

- Transfers in: MF Inigo Ruiz de Galarreta (Mallorca)
- Transfers out: DF Inigo Martinez (Barcelona), DF Mikel Balenziaga (Deportivo La Coruna)
- Last season: LaLiga (eighth), Copa del Rey (semifinals)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Last season's eighth place was below par for Athletic. European football -- realistically, the Europa League -- should be their target. The Basques have a nice blend of talented youngsters like playmaker Oihan Sancet, players at their peak such as goalkeeper Unai Simon, and older heads like captain Iker Muniain. They also have a sensible, popular coach in Ernesto Valverde.

Athletic's self-imposed philosophical limitations -- only signing players born or raised in the Basque Country -- mean that improving the squad is a constant challenge, one that is most keenly felt in attack. Forward Inaki Williams is pacey but goal-shy, top scoring last season with eight league goals, followed by Sancet and Raul Garcia. That lack of a natural finisher puts a ceiling on their ambitions. They'll also want to amend the form which saw last season trail off so badly, ending with just one win in eight games.

Athletic Club and Spain international Nico Williams impressed last season with his direct style of play and dribbling flair. (Photo by Alex Caparros/Getty Images)

Key player: Nico Williams

The unpredictable winger -- Inaki's younger brother -- is one of Spanish football's most exciting raw talents and a full-back's worst nightmare. Williams, 21, also needs increase his end product this season. He scored a solid six league goals last campaign, his first as a regular starter.

Will their manager last the season?

Valverde is a hero at Athletic thanks to two previous successful spells in charge, from 2003 to 2005 and 2013 to 2017. He did the club a favour by returning in 2022 -- two years after being fired by Barcelona -- and while last season was a slight disappointment, he'll be given time to get it right. The reality is that Valverde's track record and history with the club means there's no other candidate who comes close to being a better option. -- Kirkland

Atletico Madrid

- Transfers in: DF Cesar Azpilicueta (Chelsea), DF Santiago Mourino (Racing Club de Montevideo), DF Caglar Soyuncu (Leicester City), DF Javi Galan (Celta Vigo)
- Transfers out: DF Matt Doherty (Wolves), DF Renan Lodi (Marseille), MF Geoffrey Kondogbia (Marseille), DF Sergio Reguilon (Tottenham), FW Giuliano Simeone (Alaves)
- Last season: LaLiga (third), Copa del Rey (quarterfinals)

Will they be better or worse this season?

That depends if you're referring to the first half of last season, or the second. Atletico started off a disjointed mess, culminating in their embarrassing, bottom-of-the-group Champions League exit. Then they got their act together. Coach Diego Simeone went back to basics, rediscovered the team's identity, settled on a working system and shipped out anyone who wasn't on board.

The result: Atletico became the best team in Spain. The 43 points they accrued in the second half of the season was their second best tally in a 20-team league, and five more than Barcelona's 38. The performances of players such as defender Mario Hermoso -- whose form is a barometer for the team's overall health -- improved drastically, while academy product Pablo Barrios added energy and quality in midfield. Keep that up, and Atletico could mount a proper title challenge.

Antoine Griezmann was one of Atletico Madrid's most important players last season after leading the club to a third place finish. Getty Images

Key player: Antoine Griezmann

LaLiga's best outfield player in 2022-23, freed of last year's bizarre situation which saw him start off playing just half an hour per game -- part of a battle of wills with Barca over a permanent deal -- Griezmann went on to shine, ending with a remarkable 15 goals and 16 assists. Somehow still underrated for a World Cup winner and former Ballon d'Or contender, there's nothing holding him back this time.

Will their manager last the season?

Yes. Simeone has been in charge for almost 12 years -- winning two league titles, in 2014 and 2021 -- and it's no exaggeration to say he made Atletico the club they are today. Fans with long memories know they weren't always a perennial top three -- often top two -- side. Even when they've slipped, as they did early last season, Simeone has always found a way to bounce back. Whatever happens this time, any decisions about his future -- from Simeone, or the club -- would be made next summer, not before. -- Kirkland

Barcelona

- Transfers in: MF Ilkay Gundogan (Manchester City), DF Inigo Martinez (Athletic Bilbao), MF Oriol Romeu (Girona), FW Vitor Roque (Athletico Paranaense, not joining until next year)
- Transfers out: FW Ousmane Dembele (Paris Saint-Germain), MF Sergio Busquets (Inter Miami), DF Jordi Alba (Inter Miami), DF Julian Araujo (Las Palmas, loan), MF Nico Gonzalez (Porto)
- Last season: LaLiga (winners), Copa del Rey (semifinals), Champions League (group stage), Europa League (knockout playoff round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

They can't do any better in LaLiga and will likely once again compete with Real Madrid for the title. The task is to improve in Europe and they should get out of their Champions League group, whoever they draw, with the squad they have. However, after losing the experience of Sergio Busquets and Jordi Alba and the unpredictably of Ousmane Dembele, it is hard to know whether Barca have improved this summer. Ilkay Gundogan is a good addition and Oriol Romeu may prove a smarter pick-up than expected by many. Coach Xavi Hernandez knows silverware is demanded.

play

0:31

How Real Madrid beat Barcelona to sign the 'Turkish Messi' Arda Guler

Watch Real Madrid's freshest signing in action, as the 18-year-old attacking midfielder Arda Guler arrives in the Spanish capital from Fenerbahce.

Key Player: Ilkay Gundogan

Gundogan has arrived from City as a free agent and, even at 32, he could prove the player to help Barca play the way Xavi wants alongside Pedri at the tip of the midfield.

Will their manager last the season?

It would take something quite remarkable for Xavi not to last the season, but next summer could be interesting, depending on how the campaign pans out. His deal is up in 2024 and, while everyone insists negotiations are progressing well, there is room for a small amount of doubt beyond this year. -- Marsden

Celta Vigo

- Transfers in: MF Carlos Dotor (Real Madrid), FW Jonathan Bamba (Lille), DF Manu Sanchez (Atletico Madrid)
- Transfers out: GK Ruben Blanco (Marseille), DF Javi Galan (Atletico Madrid), MF Denis Suarez (Villarreal)
- Last season: LaLiga (thirteenth), Copa del Rey (round of 32)

Will they be better or worse this season?

They should be significantly better. Last season was a disaster for Celta. That thirteenth place is misleading, as they barely escaped relegation on the final day thanks to a 2-1 win over champions Barcelona, with both goals scored by the campaign's one bright spot: breakout star Gabri Veiga.

Neither of last season's coaches -- Eduardo Coudet and Carles Carvalhal -- could get the team playing with any kind of consistency, with the lows being an eight-game winless streak from October to January, and May's six games without a win which almost saw them relegated.

The appointment of Rafael Benitez as coach has brought a renewed sense of optimism, while Veiga's expected exit -- with several¬†Premier League¬†clubs considering paying his ‚ā¨40 million release clause -- hasn't yet materialized. A top-half finish isn't out of the question.

Celta Vigo's Iago Aspas is a club veteran who has consistently delivered in LaLiga and stood out as a leader for younger players. Diego Souto/Quality Sport Images/Getty Images

Key player: Iago Aspas

At Celta, it's always Aspas, the team's leader, creative hub and primary goal threat. Even at 36, he's still going strong. Aspas has an impressive, long-term scoring record, with 14, 19, 22, 20, 14, 14, 18 and 12 league goals over the last eight seasons. The only question mark is how he'll get on with Benitez. The manager hasn't always been a fan of spontaneous talents and big personalities.

Will their manager last the season?

Celta pushed the boat out to land Benitez, opting for a different calibre and profile of manager to the club's gloriously eclectic list from recent years which includes Antonio Mohamed, Miguel Cardoso, Fran Escriba, Oscar Garcia, Coudet and Carvalhal. This time, president Carlos Mourino has opted for one of the biggest names in Spanish coaching this century, even if Benitez's last LaLiga job -- at Real Madrid in 2015-16 -- ended in failure. It should work. But there's also an outside chance that it implodes spectacularly. -- Kirkland

Cadiz

- Transfers in: MF Gonzalo Escalante (Lazio), FW Sergi Guardiola (Real Valladolid), FW Darwin Machis (Real Valladolid, loan), DF Javi Hernandez (Leganes, loan), DF Lucas Pires (Santos, loan), DF Jorge Mere (America, loan)
- Transfers out: FW Theo Bongonda (Spartak Moscow), DF Alfonso Espino (Rayo Vallecano), FW Choco Lozano (Getafe)
- Last season: LaLiga (14th), Copa del Rey (first round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

A 14th place finish sounds good for Cadiz, but they were still one of the teams going into the final round of the season with a chance of going down. So how do you define better? Chances are they finish lower than 14th but that does not necessarily mean a worse season if they are able to secure their top flight status before the final week of the campaign. Unfortunately, though, another scrap for survival may await.

Key player: Jeremias Ledesma

Securing Gonzalo Escalante on a permanent basis was important after the midfielder's performances on loan last season helped keep the club up. Perhaps it would be more realistic to single out Ledesma, though, who was one of the best goalkeepers in LaLiga last year.

Will their manager last the season?

Sergio Gonzalez has worked wonders in the south of Spain, coming in to keep Cadiz up in 21-22 and then repeating the feat last season. He will get time, but if Cadiz find themselves in the bottom three for a prolonged period, expect a change. -- Marsden

Getafe

- Transfers in: FW Choco Lozano (Cadiz)
- Transfers out: FW Munir El Haddadi (Las Palmas)
- Last season: LaLiga (fifteenth), Copa del Rey (round of 32)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Much better. Last season, coach Quique Sanchez Flores clung on until April before eventually being fired, despite poor football, uninspiring results and a growing divide with the fans. Club icon Jose Bordalas -- who took Getafe to the brink of an unprecedented Champions League qualification during his first spell in charge -- came to the rescue, steadied the ship and inspired a final day escape.

You know what you're going to get with Bordalas. His teams are ruthlessly efficient -- with little interest in possession and passing, lots of fouls and physicality, and frequent time wasting and rule bending -- but they are efficient, and they win more often than not. His Getafe team will be much more than the sum of its parts, and you wouldn't be surprised to see them finish in the top half of the table.

Turkish striker Enes Unal has shined at Getafe but a knee injury has ruled him out for the beginning of the season. Denis Doyle/Getty Images

Key player: Enes Unal

Is Unal the most underrated forward in LaLiga? The 26-year-old has been Getafe's best player for the last two seasons -- scoring 30 league goals in that time -- and he will be this time, too. Unal has it all: he's strong, quick, dangerous in the air and with the ball at his feet, capable of scoring from close range or from distance, and happy to play as a lone forward or in a front two. Getafe are lucky to still have him. The bad news is that they'll have to wait: he'll miss the first half of the season with a cruciate ligament injury.

Will their manager last the season?

Yes. Bordalas answered the call to save Getafe last season, and they'll be desperate to keep him now for as long as possible. Club president Angel Torres has described the coach as "like a brother" and the fans embrace his style of football as a badge of honour. Bordalas won't be pushed out; he'll leave when he wants to. -- Kirkland

Girona

- Transfers in: FW Artem Dovbyk (SK Dnipro), MF Yangel Herrera (Manchester City), MF Ivan Martin (Villarreal), DF Daley Blind (Bayern Munich), GK Paulo Gazzaniga (Fulham), FW Savio (Troyes, loan), MF Pablo Torre (Barcelona, loan)
- Transfers out: MF Oriol Romeu (Barcelona), MF Ramon Terrats (Villarreal)
- Last season: LaLiga (10th), Copa del Rey (second round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

No one expected Girona to finish 10th last season but since then they have lost Romeu to Barcelona, while Taty Castellanos and Rodrigo Riquelme both returned to their parent clubs after successful loan spells. They have made some interesting signings, though, in Daley Blind, Pablo Torre and Artem Dovbyk, while coach Michel brings stability and an attractive playing style. They should be too good for the drop, but repeating a top 10 finish is a big ask for the Catalan side.

Key player: Artem Dovbyk

Striker Dovbyk will be tasked with replacing Castellanos' goals. Girona will be hopeful he can do so after having great success in the Ukrainian market last January. Midfielder Viktor Tsyhankov gave them a big boost in the second half of the campaign and should also help Dovbyk settle quickly.

Will their manager last the season?

Michel has earned the right to stay in the job even if there are blips this year. If he goes, it will mean things have gone really wrong and Girona are fighting for survival. -- Marsden

Granada

- Transfers in: FW Shon Weissman (Real Valladolid), MF Gonzalo Villar (Roma), FW Famara Diedhiou (Alanyaspor), MF Gerard Gumbau (Elche), DF Jesus Vallejo (Real Madrid, loan)
- Transfers out: DF Quini (Olympiacos), FW Adrian Butzke (Vit. Guimaraes)
- Last season: Segunda Division (winners), Copa del Rey (second round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

The question for Granada is not whether they can be better than last season, when they won the second division, but if they can improve on 2021-22, when they were relegated from LaLiga. Paco Lopez has come in as coach since then and his football is fun to watch -- especially against the big teams, as his Levante side showed regularly -- but not always the most consistent. Gerard Gumbau and Jesus Vallejo could prove clever pick-ups and if they can carry their momentum into the new campaign, they should have a good chance at staying up.

Key player: Myrto Uzuni

Albanian forward Uzuni joined Granada the year they were last relegated from the top flight, but it was last season when he took off. He scored 23 times, more than anyone else in the second division, and his goals will be key to Granada's survival hopes.

Will their manager last the season?

More than most, this feels dependent on Granada making a good start. If they don't, you fear for Lopez, whose brand of football is not the best suited to a relegation scrap. -- Marsden

Las Palmas are returning to LaLiga after being relegated from the top flight in the 2017-18 season. (Photo by Gabriel Jimenez/Quality Sport Images/Getty Images)

Las Palmas

- Transfers in: DF Julian Araujo (Barcelona, loan), FW Munir El Haddadi (Getafe), FW Sandro Ramirez (Huesca), GK Aaron Escandell (Cartagenga), DF Daley Sinkgraven (Bayer Leverkusen), MF Javi Munoz (Eibar), FW Cristian Herrera (Ibiza)
- Transfers out: DF Sidneii (Ceara SC), FW Florin Andone (Eldense), MD Wilfrid Kaptoum (AEK Larnaca)
- Last season: Segunda Division (runners-up), Copa del Rey (second round)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Las Palmas are fun to watch under Garcia Pimienta, the former Barcelona B coach, but often lack efficiency in the final third. Just 49 goals in 42 games last year was enough to get them promotion from the Segunda Division, but they will have to improve this time round. The need to be more clinical explains the signings of Munir El Haddadi, who will be reunited with his old Barca teammate Sandro Ramirez, and Cristian Herrera. Mexico international Julian Araujo also represents good business: young, hungry and with a point to prove. That said, it's hard to see past them being anywhere other than the bottom third of the table.

Key player: Jonathan Viera

Captain Viera, one of the silkiest players in Spain on his day, remains vital to his hometown side, but there is plenty of young talent to keep an eye on in the squad as well. Alberto Moleiro, 19, is highly rated and Araujo, 21, will be looking to make his mark in LaLiga.

Will their manager last the season?

Pimineta took Las Palmas into the playoffs in his first season in charge after inheriting the team in eighth place in January. He then took them to promotion last term. The ex-Barca B boss now needs to prove himself at the top level of Spanish football. Do that, and a few bigger teams may come calling.-- Marsden

Mallorca

- Transfers in: FW Cyle Larin (Real Valladolid), DF Siebe Van der Heyden (Union SG), FW Manu Morlanes (Villarreal), MF Omar Mascarell (Elche), DF Toni Lato (Valencia)
- Transfers out: FW Kang-In Lee (Paris Saint-Germain), FW Angel Rodriguez (Tenerife)
- Last season: LaLiga (ninth), Copa del Rey (round of 16)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Bettering or matching last year's top-half finish would be an incredible result for Mallorca and veteran coach Javier Aguirre. The reality is, having lost last season's top performer in Kang-In Lee, that a drop-off is more likely. Target man Vedat Muriqi will do extremely well to match last season's 15 league goals, although he'll get a helping hand from new signing Cyle Larin, another example of the smart squad building Mallorca have done in recent years. Staying out of the relegation battle for a second successive season would be an achievement in itself.

Mallorca will rely on their striker Vedat Muriqi to reach double digits in goals again this season. (Photo by Angel Martinez/Getty Images)

Key player: Vedat Muriqi

The swashbuckling Muriqi is a refreshingly old-school centre-forward, who enjoyed the best season of his career leading the line in 2022-23. Only Robert Lewandowski, Karim Benzema and Joselu scored more than his 15 league goals. Double figures this time would be an acceptable return.

Will their manager last the season?

Yes. Aguirre, 64, is one of LaLiga's great characters, with almost 20 years of managerial experience including six Spanish clubs: Osasuna, Atletico Madrid, Real Zaragoza, Espanyol, Leganes and now Mallorca. What "El Vasco" did last season -- lifting Mallorca out of the relegation scrap, getting wins over Real Madrid and Atletico along the way -- is right up there with any of the Mexican's managerial feats. Even if they drop off, his job should be safe. -- Kirkland

Osasuna

- Transfers in: DF Johan Mojica (Villarreal), DF Alejandro Catena (Rayo Vallecano)
- Transfers out: FW Ez Abde (Barcelona)
- Last season: LaLiga (seventh), Copa del Rey (finalists)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Last season was one of the best in Osasuna's 103-year history, qualifying for the Conference League -- eventually being reinstated, after UEFA threatened to kick them out over a decade old match-fixing case -- and making it to their second ever Copa del Rey final, where they were beaten 2-1 by Real Madrid.

Improving on that would be a lot to ask, so instead, they'll settle for finishing in the top half of the table, and perhaps putting together another cup run. Mojica and Catena look like handy additions, who should fit into Osasuna's fast-paced, entertaining style of football.

Key player: David Garcia

There's no single obvious candidate here. The explosive Chimy Avila might be a contender, but he was often left out of the starting eleven last season. Playmaker Aimar Oroz, 21, is improving fast, while forward Ante Budimir is their most reliable goal threat. Osasuna's solidity is their strength, though, so let's go for captain Garcia, one of the best centre-backs in the league.

Will their manager last the season?

Yes. Jagoba Arrasate has been at Osasuna for five years. Among current LaLiga managers, only Atletico's Simeone has been around longer. The club have stuck with him through bad times, like a three-month winless streak in 2020-21, and last season was their reward. President Luis Sabalza described Arrasate as "the ideal coach for Osasuna" before the cup final in May, and it would take quite a turnaround to see him lose his job. -- Kirkland

Rayo Vallecano

- Transfers in: DF Florian Lejeune (Alaves), DF Pacha Espino (Cadiz), DF Aridane Hernandez (Osasuna)
- Transfers out: DF Fran Garcia (Real Madrid), MF Santi Comesana (Villarreal), DF Alejandro Catena (Osasuna), DF Mario Suarez (unattached), GK Diego Lopez (unattached)
- Last season: LaLiga (eleventh), Copa del Rey (round of 32)

Will they be better or worse this season?

It's time to worry about Rayo. Previous coach Andoni Iraola worked miracles, guiding the team to midtable stability and -- two years ago -- a Copa del Rey semifinal, playing invigorating, aggressive, attacking football. But Iraola is gone, now in charge of Bournemouth, and the jury is out on his replacement, Francisco Rodriguez.

Rayo have also lost three key players: non-stop left-back Fran Garcia, underrated midfielder Santi Comesana and ball-playing defender Alejandro Catena. Pacha Espino, signed from Cadiz, is a useful addition who fits the Rayo profile, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the team are weaker. And of course, the club are a perennial mess off the pitch, finally releasing this season's kits and season tickets just a week before kick-off. Expect a relegation battle.

Can Isi Palazon help Rayo Vallecano avoid a relegation scare after losing three key players? (Photo by Florencia Tan Jun/Getty Images)

Key player: Isi Palazon

The shaven-headed midfielder, 28, is one of LaLiga's most elegant playmakers and a scorer of spectacular, often long-range goals -- nine in the league last season -- drifting in from the right-hand side. His influence is only matched by the rocket-fuelled Alvaro Garcia, 30, on the other flank.

Will their manager last the season?

No. Iraola is an impossible act to follow, raising expectations beyond any reasonable level, and Francisco's record -- he was most recently seen spending 11 months at Elche after a year at Girona and seven months at Huesca -- does not inspire a great deal of confidence. -- Kirkland

Real Betis

- Transfers in: DF Marc Bartra (Trabzonspor), DF Hector Bellerin (Sporting Club), MF Marc Roca (Leeds, loan), DF Chadi Riad (Barcelona, loan), MF Isco (unattached), Ayoze Perez (Leicester City), Alex Collado (Barcelona)
- Transfers out: MF Sergio Canales (Monterrey), FW Diego Lainez (Tigres UANL), DF Edgar Gonzalez (Almeria), FW Loren Moron (Aris Saloniki), Alex Collado (Al-Okhdood, loan)
- Last season: LaLiga (6th), Copa del Rey (last 16), Europa League (last 16)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Like most LaLiga sides, money is tight at Real Betis but they have operated well in the free agents and loan market. Isco and Marc Roca come in to add depth and talent in midfield, while defenders Marc Bartra and Hector Bellerin both return for their second spells at the Seville-based club. They should be in and around the top six once again, although that will depend on getting all their new players registered. Like many LaLiga clubs, that is still far from certain just days before the season begins.

Key player: Isco

It is going to be fascinating to see how Isco does. The former Real Madrid midfielder left Betis' rivals Sevilla last December and feels he has a point to prove after being out of the game for six months. Still only 31, he has plenty of football left in him.

Will their manager last the season?

Betis have never finished lower than sixth under Manuel Pellegrini, who is about to embark on his fourth season in charge of the club. With a Copa del Rey win in 2022 under his belt, his legendary status at the club is secured, and he should last the campaign. -- Marsden

Real Madrid

- Transfers in: MF Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund), DF Fran Garcia (Rayo Vallecano), FW Joselu (Espanyol), FW Brahim Diaz (AC Milan), MF Arda Guler (Fenerbahce)
- Transfers out: FW Karim Benzema (Al Ittihad), FW Eden Hazard (unattached), FW Marco Asensio (Paris Saint-Germain), FW Mariano Diaz (unattached), DF Jesus Vallejo (Granada), DF Rafa Marin (Alaves), MF Antonio Blanco (Alaves)
- Last season: LaLiga (second), Copa del Rey (winners)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Better. Last season's LaLiga campaign was underwhelming, Madrid's challenge to Barcelona fizzled out much too early, finishing ten points behind the champions. Yes, Benzema -- the team's attacking pivot for a decade -- has gone, but for much of last season, he looked a player in a slow decline. Bellingham is the signing of the summer and at the time of writing, we still don't know if Kylian Mbappe will join him.

An element of uncertainty comes with coach Carlo Ancelotti's decision to ditch Madrid's well-oiled 4-3-3 in favour of a new 4-4-2 with a midfield diamond, reacting to Benzema's departure and Bellingham's arrival. In Madrid's preseason friendlies the system has looked fine offensively -- although Vinicius Junior has to adapt to a more central role -- but struggled defensively, shipping six goals in two games against Barcelona and Juventus. Still, if Ancelotti gets the balance right, Madrid's strength in depth is unrivalled.

play

0:39

Gundogan looking foward to facing 'impressive' Bellingham

Barcelona's Ilkay Gundogan speaks on how "impressive" Real Madrid midfielder Jude Bellingham is and how he looks forward to competing against the England star.

Key player: Jude Bellingham

With all the headlines around the pursuit of Mbappe, the ‚ā¨103m signing of Europe's most exciting, all-round modern midfielder has almost gone under the radar. Bellingham, 20, impressed from the moment he touched down in Madrid with a word-perfect introductory news conference, and he hasn't put a foot wrong since.

Will their manager last the season?

Carlo Ancelotti begins the season in a highly unusual situation, with everybody assuming that he'll be leaving to take charge of the Brazil national team in June 2024. The charismatic Italian is hugely popular in Madrid after winning the 2014 Champions League in his first spell, and then going one better with a historic 2022 Double, but he'll have to be careful to make absolutely clear where his focus lies.

It's a sign of Madrid's high standards that last season's second place in LaLiga, a Champions League semifinal and winning the Copa del Rey was seen as being not good enough. Regardless, Ancelotti should get one last full season at the Bernabeu. Only things completely falling apart would see him leave before then. -- Kirkland

Real Sociedad

- Transfers in: DF Hamari Traore (Rennes), FW Andre Silva (RB Leipzig, loan)
- Transfers out: MF David Silva (retired), FW Portu (Getafe), MF Asier Illarramendi (Dallas)
- Last season: LaLiga (4th), Copa del Rey (quarterfinals), Europa League (last 16)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Real Sociedad have constantly improved under Imanol Alguacil, finishing 6th, 5th, 5th and then eventually scaling the top four to reach the Champions League last season. The next task is slightly harder: competing in Europe's elite competition while also maintaining their place at the top of LaLiga. The loss of David Silva, forced to retire due to injury, is huge in that sense, and they haven't really added a lot of depth to help them compete on various fronts. Asier Illarramendi and Alexander Sorloth have also moved on, although La Real have successfully used their B team under Imanol.

Key player: Take Kubo

Kubo had an excellent first season at the club and the Japan international, still just 22, now has the chance to showcase his talent in the Champions League. Mikel Oyarzabal and Martin Zubimendi are two exceptional homegrown players to track as well.

Will their manager last the season?

Never say never in football, but Imanol rightly holds one of the safest jobs in Spain. He has worked wonders at Anoeta. -- Marsden

Sevilla

- Transfers in: DF Loic Bade (Rennes), DF Adria Pedrosa (Sevilla)
- Transfers out: DF Karim Rekik (Al Jazira), DF Jose Angel Carmona (Getafe), FW Rony Lopes (Braga)
- Last season: LaLiga (12th), Copa del Rey (quarterfinals)

Will they be better or worse this season?

How do you begin to sum up Sevilla last season? It was, frankly, a bit of a mess. Julen Lopetegui was fired in October when he should have gone months earlier. Replacement Jorge Sampaoli was the wrong man, flirting with relegation before an unlikely saviour appeared in Jose Luis Mendilibar, who eventually took Sevilla to a seventh Europa League title, beating Manchester United, Juventus and Roma.

Mendilibar the short-term fix is now in charge for the long haul, and that means improvement feels all but inevitable. The departure of influential sporting director Monchi -- the transfer guru who ran the club for over 20 years -- will have an impact, but exactly what remains to be seen, with his recent record on signings a little iffy.

Sevilla won a record seventh Europa League title last season after finishing 12th in LaLiga. Can they achieve domestic success this season as well? Nikola Krstic/MB Media/Getty Images

Key player: Lucas Ocampos

Sevilla's squad is not as packed with quality as it once was, but they can still call on the vast experience and quality of Jesus Navas, 37, Fernando, 36, and Ivan Rakitic, 35. Youssef En-Nesyri will score the goals -- if Sevilla don't manage to move him on for a big fee before the transfer window closes -- but winger Ocampos is probably their most exciting player, back where he belongs after a misguided six months at Ajax.

Will their manager last the season?

Yes. Having secured First Division survival and won the club's seventh Europa League, Mendilibar should be given time now, even if he was initially only an emergency short-term appointment, with other alternatives lined up this summer. Mendilibar, 62, is another of LaLiga's great characters, a fierce critic of modern football who does not suffer fools gladly. This is the biggest job of his career, and he's enjoying every minute. -- Kirkland

Valencia

- Transfers in: DF Cenk Ozkacar (Lyon), MF Pepelu (Levante)
- Transfers out: MF Yunus Musah (AC Milan), FW Edinson Cavani (Boca Juniors), DF Toni Lato (Mallorca)
- Last season: LaLiga (16th), Copa del Rey (quarterfinals)

Will they be better or worse this season?

Valencia have lost more than they have gained this summer. Yunus Musah has moved to Milan and Edinson Cavani to Boca Juniors, while the loans of Samuel Lino, Justin Kluivert, Nico Gonzalez and Ilaix Moriba have all expired. Samu Castillejo may yet also leave. Ruben Baraja has utilised the academy well since taking charge, but the squad looks too small and too short of top quality as fans call for more investment from the owners in the team. Anything other than an average season would be a surprise, although that may be considered a success at this point.

Key player: Jose Gaya

The youngsters who made such an impact at the end of last season, such as Javi Guerra and Diego Lopez, may yet prove all the preseason predictions wrong, but Valencia's squad is lacking in star quality. Perhaps Spain left-back Gaya or goalkeeper Giorgi Mamardashvili are the best players on their books.

Will their manager last the season?

Managers rarely last the season at Valencia, who are on to their 12th permanent coach in the last decade. Baraja did brilliantly to guide them away from relegation last season and is a club legend, but, even so, it's hard to see him lasting the season. The chances of the owners looking for someone else or Baraja walking of his own accord are both high. -- Marsden

Villarreal

- Transfers in: FW Alexander Sorloth (RB Leipzig), MF Ramon Terrats (Girona), MF Santi Comesana (Rayo Vallecano), FW Ilias Akhomach (Barcelona), MF Denis Suarez (Celta Vigo), FW Ben Brereton Diaz (Blackburn Rovers), DF Matteo Gabbia (AC Milan, loan)
- Transfers out: FW Nicolas Jackson (Chelsea), DF Pau Torres (Aston Villa), FW Samuel Chukwueze (AC Milan), FW Boulaye Dia (Salernitana), FW Arnaut Danjuma (Everton), MF Manu Morlanes (Mallorca), MF Ivan Martin (Girona), MF Vicente Iborra (Olympiacos), DF Johan Mojica (Osasuna, loan)
- Last season: LaLiga (5th), Copa del Rey (last 16), Europa Conference League (last 16)

Will they be better or worst this season?

There has been a huge turnover of players at Villarreal this summer, which makes if difficult to judge how they will do this year. Nicolas Jackson, Pau Torres and Samuel Chukwueze are all huge losses, but they have proven to be a club who can reinvent themselves when forced to. They have made some interesting signings, especially in attack, and coach Quique Setien, Barcelona blip aside, is one of the most astute tacticians in the league. Replicating last season's fifth place looks tough given who has left, but they should be among the European shakeup come May.

Key player: Gerard Moreno

For all the departures, there is still plenty of experience around the squad in the form of Raul Albiol and Dani Parejo, but the biggest key to any Villarreal success lies in keeping Moreno fit. The Spain striker has struggled with injuries over the last two years, which is a shame because when at his best there are few at his level in the league. Still only 31, he says he's "physically strong" ahead of the opening weekend.

Will their manager last the season?

Setien didn't start well at Villarreal when he replaced Unai Emery last year. There were even suggestions he could lose his job before the World Cup. A couple of good results prior to the tournament kept him in the role, though, and Villarreal were one of the better sides in Spain in the second half of the season. With his position strengthened, he should see the season out. -- Marsden

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Athletic preview

Spoiler

La Liga season preview: Barca to defend their crown, Valencia to go down and the next Pedri?

By The Athletic La Liga Writers

Aug 10, 2023

6

La Liga is back.

Spain‚Äôs top flight returns on Friday evening with two matches ‚ÄĒ including¬†Sevilla¬†v¬†Valencia¬†‚ÄĒ before¬†Real Madrid¬†travel to Athletic Bilbao on Saturday and¬†Barcelona¬†get their title defence under way at Getafe on Sunday.

Here, our writers look ahead to the 2023-24 season and consider some of the major talking points. Who will finish on top? Who will go down? And who will be the surprise packages?

Let’s get straight to it.

Who will win La Liga and why?

Tomas Hill Lopez-Menchero: I would have said Real Madrid before Thibaut Courtois’ ACL injury, but losing the Belgium keeper is such a significant blow that I think it puts Barcelona back in the driving seat.

Courtois has consistently got Madrid out of sticky situations since he joined in 2018 and¬†Andriy Lunin¬†does not inspire the same confidence in his defenders ‚ÄĒ Madrid not signing a replacement seems unthinkable. Barca have plenty of problems of their own, but Real will need to solve their keeper situation if they truly want to challenge for the Catalans‚Äô title.

Thom Harris: Tricky one. Madrid have brought in Jude Bellingham, but lost Karim Benzema, and Vinicius Junior thrived with the Frenchman’s support last season.

Atletico Madrid look strong. Antoine Griezmann was untouchable during their fine run of just three defeats in the final 23 games last season, and the signing of Javi Galan will help solve attacking and defensive issues down the left.

GO DEEPER

Antoine Griezmann: The quietly brilliant playmaker and Atletico's 'soul' returns to Barca

For me, though, it’s hard to look past Barca. Ilkay Gundogan is a wonderful addition to a very talented midfield, while Oriol Romeu will allow Frenkie de Jong, Gavi and Pedri to push forward at will. Inigo Martinez is a great pick-up at centre-back too.

Dermot Corrigan: This could be the closest title race in a while.

Barcelona surely cannot repeat the almost miraculous defensive record of last year, especially without Sergio Busquets anchoring their midfield.

At Madrid, Bellingham is an excellent long-term addition, but it is not yet clear where or how he fits into the starting XI. Their squad looks quite unbalanced, and Courtois missing a big chunk of the season is a huge blow.

Thibaut Courtois will miss the start of the season for Real Madrid with an ACL injury (Photo: Omar Vega/Getty Images)

If Atletico can sustain their form from last year they‚Äôd be in with a chance ‚ÄĒ and they should be much better this year.

If Madrid sign¬†Kylian Mbappe¬†from Paris Saint-Germain then they would jump back into contention ‚ÄĒ but barring that, this looks a great opportunity for Atletico.

Guillermo Rai:¬†Madrid need to¬†bring in Mbappe¬†to make the step up. Without him, they don‚Äôt look any better than last year; so Barcelona, as last season‚Äôs champions, would be favourites ‚Äď especially now with Courtois‚Äô injury.

Who else will qualify for the Champions League?

Hill Lopez-Menchero:¬†I‚Äôll say Madrid will finish second and Atletico third ‚ÄĒ following a summer in which they have gone back to Diego Simeone basics by signing four defenders in¬†Cesar Azpilicueta,¬†Caglar Soyuncu, Galan and¬†Santiago Mourino.

It’s between Real Sociedad, Villarreal and Sevilla for my final Champions League spot. But I’ll go for Sevilla. They haven’t brought in many players this summer, but they’ve kept the bulk of the team who finished last season so strongly under Jose Luis Mendilibar and won the Europa League.

Rai: My picks are the same, but fourth place goes to Real Sociedad. They seem best positioned to reach that position again, as long as participating in the Champions League this season does not affect them too much.

Harris:¬†I‚Äôm predicting the same top four ‚ÄĒ in the exact same order ‚ÄĒ as last season: Barca, Madrid, Atletico and Real Sociedad. La Real‚Äôs acquisition of¬†Andre Silva¬†is exciting ‚Äď the striker scored 28 goals in 32¬†Bundesliga¬†games for¬†Eintracht Frankfurt¬†just three seasons ago, while¬†Umar Sadiq‚Äôs return from an ACL injury will only add more firepower up front.

Corrigan: The fourth and final Champions League spot will be filled by… Real Betis.

They lost Sergio Canales but gained Isco and Marc Roca during the summer, which should give them greater solidity and nous throughout the season.

Real Betis have signed former Sevilla and Real Madrid midfielder Isco on a one-year contract (Photo: Fran Santiago/Getty Images)

Who will be relegated and why?

Corrigan: There is real fear now at Valencia. Los Che just about avoided the drop last year, and now have a remarkably young squad (the average age of registered players at time of writing is 22.8 years).

Rayo Vallecano could struggle, having lost coach Andoni Iraola and some key players, while Rafa Benitez has really landed himself in a difficult situation at Celta Vigo.

The three promoted clubs all have impressive coaches, but Granada’s Paco Lopez and Alaves’ Luis Garcia have plenty of Spanish top-flight experience, while Las Palmas’ former Barcelona B coach Garcia Pimienta will have his work cut out in his first top-flight campaign.

Harris: It’s set to be competitive, but I think Alaves, Cadiz and Las Palmas will be the ones to go, with Valencia close by, following a very quiet summer so far.

Rai: I’m going for Mallorca, Granada and Rayo.

Hill Lopez-Menchero: Deportivo Alaves, Valencia and Rayo Vallecano.

GO DEEPER

Valencia's protesting fan groups and the plan to prise back their football club

Sadly for Valencia, I don’t see their situation improving anytime soon. I don’t think Alaves have enough quality, and Rayo have similar problems to Valencia in terms of fans’ discontent with their club’s owners. They might well struggle after the departure of Iraola, along with several of the players who were so vital to his style of play.

Who will be top scorer?

Rai: Robert Lewandowski is once again the favourite. Only another big step forward in Vinicius Jr’s goalscoring would stop him (and that shouldn’t be totally ruled out).

Hill Lopez-Menchero: It’s hard to look past Lewandowski, the only world-class striker left in La Liga after the departure of Benzema. I’ll suggest new Villarreal signing Ben Brereton Diaz as my dark horse.

Corrigan: Unless Madrid sign a new number nine, Vinicius Jr is likely to play much more centrally this season. The new shape might or might not work better for the team, but the Brazilian is likely to be playing closer to goal and will get more opportunities to score, including from the penalty spot.

Robert Lewandowski topped the scoring charts with 23 in La Liga last season (Photo: Pedro Salado/Quality Sport Images/Getty Images)

Harris: Another outside option could be Youssef En-Nesyri, who rediscovered his scoring touch with the arrival of Mendilibar at Sevilla last season.

But, yeah. Lewandowski. I think it has to be.

Which tactical innovation should we look out for?

Hill Lopez-Menchero: Carlo Ancelotti’s new diamond 4-4-2 formation is definitely worth keeping an eye on. It produced mixed results during Madrid’s pre-season tour of the United States, but the Italian is a master of moulding his system to the players at his disposal…

Corrigan: Ancelotti’s plan looks good on paper, with Eduardo Camavinga or Aurelien Tchouameni at the base and Bellingham at the tip of that midfield diamond, but it did leave Madrid’s defence very susceptible to attacks down the flanks in pre-season.

Ancelotti’s future job prospects could depend on whether he can make it work, or come up with a better idea.

Jose Bordalas has his Getafe team play with a direct style that can antagonise (Photo: Diego Souto/Quality Sport Images/Getty Images)

Harris:¬†Bordalas ball. The 59-year-old¬†Getafe¬†coach is the pantomime villain of Spanish football, hellbent on breaking up play and hitting on the break with direct, uncomplicated play. Former Barca boss Quique Setien once fumed that Jose Bordalas‚Äôs team made his ‚Äúblood boil‚ÄĚ with their ‚Äúshameful‚ÄĚ style of play. He isn‚Äôt to everyone‚Äôs taste.

It isn’t pretty, but it’s hilariously effective, and it will be great fun to see how La Liga’s other 19 teams deal with it.

Which player is going to have a breakout season?

Hill Lopez-Menchero: Can you say a player is going to have a breakout season if they’ve already become the youngest La Liga player in Barcelona’s history? Now 16, Lamine Yamal could be given even more opportunities to shine under Xavi this season.

Rai: If you like Pedri, keep an eye out for Alberto Moleiro. Also raised in the Las Palmas youth academy, he is set to make his La Liga debut this season after the Canaries’ recent promotion.

Harris: Villarreal’s Alex Baena was excellent as he returned from a loan spell in the second tier, combining his appetite for a challenge with relentless creativity and a fantastic ability to strike the ball from range. Still just 22, he will bring a hefty fee for the Yellow Submarine in the near future.

GO DEEPER

Dembele's departure, Lamine Yamal and the 'Messi dilemma' facing Xavi at Barcelona

Barcelona’s Moroccan maverick Abde Ezzalzouli is an interesting one to follow. On loan at Osasuna last season, he still looked slightly raw when it came to the final ball, but no one can doubt the winger’s lightning feet and appetite for a dribble. He completed 3.5 take-ons per game last campaign, almost as many as Vinicius Jr.

My pick, however, is for the similarly electric Mohamed Ali-Cho. Last season the 19-year-old Frenchman played only 587 minutes between injuries at Real Sociedad, but in September we saw an exciting glimpse of his talent in a draw with Atletico Madrid in which he gave Jose Maria Gimenez the runaround down the left flank.

Which club will surprise everyone?

Rai: Sevilla could well be the surprise package. Last season was difficult but they still managed to win the Europa League (that trophy never eludes them…) and Mendilibar really turned things around.

Corrigan: Real Mallorca have been making steady progress for a couple of years now under Mexican coach Javier Aguirre, and have made some clever signings (including Canada international striker Cyle Larin, and playmaker Sergi Darder soon to arrive from Espanyol). That leaves them well set to qualify for UEFA competition for the first time in two decades.

Harris:¬†I‚Äôm very excited to watch¬†Girona¬†again this season, a side with an abundance of exciting attacking options, not least the brilliantly-talented¬†Viktor Tsygankov. Signed for just ‚ā¨5million last January, the Ukrainian is so dangerous drifting in from the right-hand side, and has looked seriously impressive in pre-season.

Girona’s Viktor Tsygankov (No 8, second from left) is one to watch this season (Photo: Marco Rosi/SS Lazio/Getty Images)

He will be able to link up with fellow countryman Artem Dovbyk, who joins off the back of a 24-goal league season with Dnipro, having netted a famous winner for his country to eliminate Sweden at the delayed European Championship in 2021. A sturdy, proven goalscorer, he should replace the goals of Taty Castellanos with ease.

Young winger Savio looks like a fun addition, while Pablo Torre, on loan from Barcelona, should link up well with the ultra-talented Aleix Garcia in midfield. Their full-backs are young and technically gifted too, with Arnau Martinez in particular an excellent defender who likes to advance into midfield.

A slick-passing system teeming with creative talent, I think they have an outside chance of creeping into Europe, testament to the great work of coach Michel after just one season back in the top flight.

Hill Lopez-Menchero: Betis have done some intriguing business this summer and could make an unlikely push for the top four. Hector Bellerin, Roca and Chadi Riad (the latter two both on loan) are all solid signings, but the most exciting arrival is Isco. The former Real Madrid midfielder will be desperate to make up for lost time after mutually terminating his four-month spell with Betis’ city rivals Sevilla last season.

The only thing holding them back is their compliance with La Liga‚Äôs financial rules ‚ÄĒ Betis have been unable to register any of their new arrivals so far, so could face a tense start to the campaign.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 hours ago, WBT said:

What a shitshow, 0-0 final whistle at 90+15.5.  8 yellows and 3 reds.

When I first started using ESPN’s soccer coverage to look at scores in the late 1990s, this was a typical match in Latin America, but the 3 reds would be to players. Sometimes there were four or even five red cards.

Though I didn’t see the matches and didn’t know the players, I was highly entertained. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Barca win 4-3.  Yamal looked really good.  It's amazing what he's doing at 16 years old.  If Barca would just focus on La Masia and stop spending money they'd be a lot better off.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

They have that expensive real estate on the north side that is now closed for a pricey remodel to pay for, so - you know - gotta spend dinero to make dinero.  Or however you say that in Catalan. 

 

Meanwhile poor little Granada finally won one. 

Edited by beer
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I remember seeing the rendering of what it would look like when they first started and though no fucking way that’ll be the final product.

When that video hit my madridista email, I thought it was the same video again.

Holy shit, it was worth 3 years at di Stefano stadium

  • Hook 'Em 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Speedtrucker said:

I remember seeing the rendering of what it would look like when they first started and though no fucking way that’ll be the final product.

When that video hit my madridista email, I thought it was the same video again.

Holy shit, it was worth 3 years at di Stefano stadium

UT needs to do this for the field so that they can start hosting stadium tours in Austin while our players play on grass.

Austin is reaching that point. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

√ó
√ó
  • Create New...