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I think this whole College/GM front office trend is going to permanently kill programs. The NFL and professional franchises in general operate as their own beasts and have their own internal dynamics and cultivate their talents internally given the unique nature of their business. Jim Nagy appears to have zero actual operations or management experience as in his whole career in the NFL he never rose above the title of Scout, no player acquisition, personnel management or football operations experience. This reeks of a situation where a company is trying to expand or diversify but they have absolutely no idea what they are doing so they just try to copy other successful operations and are only able to hire overly confident and under qualified individuals.

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I was just talking to a buddy about Mateer. He thought he was dog water and I thought he looked pretty decent until the end of the year. The last 5 games of the season, against the weakest part of their schedule, his completion percentage took a steep nosedive. He played fairly well against Boise and then defecated down his leg every game after that. In their very last game he put up numbers again ... against Portland State. 

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Oklahoma’s QB situation earns top ranking from ESPN

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Mateer has the Sooners at the top.

ByChip Rouse|May 19, 2025

As pointed out in a recent article, we are at the inevitable point of the college football offseason when all sundry of lists and rankings begins to pick up steam in the news cycle in anticipation of the 2025 season.

An article by ESPN's David Hale cited five teams and 11 players, including Oklahoma newcomer John Mateer, as being at the "top of the class" for the 2025 season. In particular, the analysis examined the depth and strength of the quarterback position and ranked how set the teams are at the most important position on the field, differentiating them by tiers.

According to the ESPN analysis, the quarterback situations at Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Penn State and South Carolina are the strongest of all FBS teams as we go under the 100-day mark for the start of the 2025 season.

ESPN ranks Oklahoma QB situation as 'top of class' entering 2025 season

Hale's article noted that the biggest names at the quarterback position -- Drew Allar at Penn State, Cade Klubnik at Clemson and LSU's Grant Nussmeier -- have earned their place at the top of the sport as a result of past performances. LaNorris Sellars of South Carolina and OU's Mateer, on the other hand, had a few "Heisman moments" last season. ESPN also ranked Mateer as the No. 1 transfer in the country just last week.

"Mateer flourished in the relative obscurity of Washington State," Hale wrote, "and now will be tasked with reviving Oklahoma's program under the glare of the SEC spotlight. Both players scratched the surface of greatness last season and enter 2025 with massive expectations."

According to Hale, in the College Football Playoff era 14 players have posted a single-season stat line of at least 4,000 passing yards, 40 touchdowns, 9 yards per pass and no more than 10 turnovers. Mateer missed that mark by 36 yards last season.

Mateer's 2024 accomplishments included 53 broken or evaded tackles, the most last season among FBS quarterbacks. Also no quarterback who averaged at least 9 yards per pass attempt last season had a lower rate of off-target throws than the Washington State transfer's 9.4%.

Behind Mateer at OU is Michael Hawkins Jr., who started four games last season as a freshman, and recent Mercer transfer Whitt Newbauer.

ESPN also ranked the quarterback situation at Florida, Miami and Texas as Tier 1b ("So hot right now") right below Oklahoma and the others. Tier 2 ("Pretty darned good") included Arizona State, Baylor, Georgia Tech and Iowa State.

 

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Hilarious... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oklahoma’s QB situation earns top ranking from ESPN

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Mateer has the Sooners at the top.

ByChip Rouse|May 19, 2025

As pointed out in a recent article, we are at the inevitable point of the college football offseason when all sundry of lists and rankings begins to pick up steam in the news cycle in anticipation of the 2025 season.

An article by ESPN's David Hale cited five teams and 11 players, including Oklahoma newcomer John Mateer, as being at the "top of the class" for the 2025 season. In particular, the analysis examined the depth and strength of the quarterback position and ranked how set the teams are at the most important position on the field, differentiating them by tiers.

According to the ESPN analysis, the quarterback situations at Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Penn State and South Carolina are the strongest of all FBS teams as we go under the 100-day mark for the start of the 2025 season.

ESPN ranks Oklahoma QB situation as 'top of class' entering 2025 season

Hale's article noted that the biggest names at the quarterback position -- Drew Allar at Penn State, Cade Klubnik at Clemson and LSU's Grant Nussmeier -- have earned their place at the top of the sport as a result of past performances. LaNorris Sellars of South Carolina and OU's Mateer, on the other hand, had a few "Heisman moments" last season. ESPN also ranked Mateer as the No. 1 transfer in the country just last week.

"Mateer flourished in the relative obscurity of Washington State," Hale wrote, "and now will be tasked with reviving Oklahoma's program under the glare of the SEC spotlight. Both players scratched the surface of greatness last season and enter 2025 with massive expectations."

According to Hale, in the College Football Playoff era 14 players have posted a single-season stat line of at least 4,000 passing yards, 40 touchdowns, 9 yards per pass and no more than 10 turnovers. Mateer missed that mark by 36 yards last season.

Mateer's 2024 accomplishments included 53 broken or evaded tackles, the most last season among FBS quarterbacks. Also no quarterback who averaged at least 9 yards per pass attempt last season had a lower rate of off-target throws than the Washington State transfer's 9.4%.

Behind Mateer at OU is Michael Hawkins Jr., who started four games last season as a freshman, and recent Mercer transfer Whitt Newbauer.

ESPN also ranked the quarterback situation at Florida, Miami and Texas as Tier 1b ("So hot right now") right below Oklahoma and the others. Tier 2 ("Pretty darned good") included Arizona State, Baylor, Georgia Tech and Iowa State.

 

I’m just happy that the “Hale” that wrote this article isn’t the “James Hale” that was an OU insider-writer for so many years, after getting out of prison for running a Pinzie scheme. 

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11 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Due to the bizarre meta nature of topic discussions on this board, discussing OU for the 2025 football season, like those before it, has become a bizarre exercise in either posting on the OU recruiting thread or the football board "Tell me about OU" thread, neither of which actually wind up satisfying the purpose of staying updated on the team. This is a similar phenomenon for every other team any of us would give a shit about besides Texas itself. 

Given that, I decided to start a new thread for the express purpose of tracking 2025 itself for OU. I'll post my preseason thoughts here, and then I, and hopefully others, can provide updates towards and into the season when there's something new regarding the OU team. Will I be the only person tracking this thread and wind up posting to myself in an echo chamber? Wouldn't be the first time. Still, it's our arch rival and I get tired of trying parse signal from noise in other threads when it comes to their team.

In regard to their outlook for 2025 as of 5/20/25, here are my thoughts, offense first:

Offense: 

QB: QB1 John Mateer (JR); QB2 Michael Hawkins (Soph) - Outside of QB1 and QB2, they have a true freshman that they absolutely cannot play, so they brought in a dude from ... Mercer at the last minute. They are really thin here. Luckily, Michigan and the SEC aren't known for playing big, angry defenses that can hurt QBs.

Mateer can kick the shit out of some midgets, stacking big numbers against terrible defenses. Wazzou ranked 100th in the strength of defenses faced metric. He struggled against Tech and UW and tends to have brain fart games passing where he struggles to complete 50% of his passes. OU thinks he's the next Baker Mayfield, even with idiots in their media pool hinting at that notion. When has OU ever created undue hype for a newcomer, though? We all watched Hawkins take a heaving dump on the field multiple times last year. If he's "the future", as Kirk Herbstreit and guys like Chris Plank have argued, the future looks like something requiring the help of an adult John Connor. 

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RB: RB1 Jadyn Ott (SR); RB2 Javontae Barnes (SR); Taylor Tatum (Soph) - In a dominating theme for the Venables OU regime, OU lost a 5 star, this time at RB, that they'd failed to really develop  - Gavin Sawchuk. That dude is now at FSU where I assume Pete Thamel will, on Gameday just before the FSU opener against Bama, breathlessly claim that he's quietly being viewed as the next 1st round RB draft pick by "many NFL scouts off the record".  

 

I digressed, maybe. Anyway, Ott was lured into the portal by Jim Nagy without even discussing matters with RB Coach Demarco Murray or, allegedly, Brent Venables himself. They immediately declared him RB1 while ignoring the fact that he's not on campus yet. That should say a lot to Barnes, who must agree since he decided to stay put. Ott took a lot of bullets for Cal in 2023 while putting up just over 1300 yards at 5.3ypc. He got hurt early in 2024 and when he came back, didn't look like his former self, averaging just 3.3ypc on the season. Dude has caught 49 passes over the past 2 years and can be a weapon out of the backfield, should the OC actually decide to use RBs in the passing game. If the guy is 2023 Ott, OU got a good one. If he's still broken down, and with Jerry Schmidt conditioning and Venables' penchant for violent practices, this is where I lean, then OU blew good money on a broken mule. 

Barnes is another classic Venables okie player. He's actively failing as a former 5 star who is also a talented midget-puncher. The guy rushed for almost 600 yards last year with 5 tds on the ground at 4.7ypc. Not bad for a 2nd string RB, you might say. Well, more than 1/3 of the yards production came against Maine. That game also accounted for 11.3ypc and 60% of the guys rushing TDs. He was a nonentity against quality opponents, including Texas. 

Keep an eye on Taylor Tatum, as he may well be another OU 5 star bust. "The top rated running back recruit in the nation" was stated repeatedly by announcers every time he'd enter the game. He beat the shit out of ... Temple when he got carries in game 1. He became irrelevant not long after that game. He didn't pass block, he can't catch, and he has bigger fumbling problems than Jaydon Blue (4 fumbles/3 lost fumbles in 61 total touches). He remains buried on the depth chart. He also had concussion issues in 2024, so that's something to monitor this year as well.

TE: TE1 Will Huggins (SR); TE2 Carson Kent (JR); TE3 Kaden Helms (JR); TE4 Jaren Kanak (SR) - OU can't figure out the TE position and hasn't had one worth a shit since the Riley era. They lost their most productive receiver and starting TE, Bauer Sharp, to LSU in the portal. That sounds worse than it is, because that guy sucked and couldn't block a soul. Venables followed the Tom Herman "I'm clueless on personnel management" model and decided that he'd just throw bodies at the problem, irrespective of whether those bodies could even fog a mirror. OU has 7! TEs on the roster in an offense that targeted the TE last year at Washington State less than 30 times on the season. 

Huggins is a giant human at 6'6", 265. He's a transfer from the legendary Pittsburg State (Kansas), home of Dennis "Little Debbie" Franchione. The OU talkers project this guy as a starter who will largely be used in blocking. Carson Kent is from Smallville, Kansas and, much like Craig Christ, will forever be overshadowed by his far more famous older brother. Outside of that, he's a transfer from the revered power, Kennesaw State, and had 18 catches for that juggernaut. The third guy might as well be named Bob. Fun note on Jaren Kanak is that this is his lost stop on his own failure tour, signing with Venables' first class as a highly rated 4 star LB who OU honks were immediately proclaiming to be the next great OU Linebacker. Strong work. 

Here's a hagiographic article at the time of Kanak's arrival to OU where Venables and the Kanak's go absurdly out of their way to claim that Venables didn't just swipe Kanak from the Clemson class as he left town. They do everything but sob and swear on a stack of bibles.

WR-X: WR1 Zion Kearney (Soph); WR2 Ivan Carreon (Soph); WR3 Josiah Martin; WR1A Javonnie Gibson - Sooner talking heads began hyping UAPB transfer Gibson almost as soon as he stepped on campus. He's a FSC All American and put up big numbers last season with elite speed. Then Venables had his leg broken in half during a full contact scrimmage during the spring period and he may not be ready to play, if at all, until mid-2025. So then they're left with Bob Kearney, Ted Carreon and Tom Martin. 3 JAGgers who have never jagged harder than they are jagging right now. Actually, Martin is a transfer from Cal and flashed as a Freshman there last year, so maybe he sneaks up as the next guy sooners can fellate at WR in public. 

WR-Z: WR1 Keontez Lewis (SR); WR2 Zion Ragins (Soph); WR3 Elijah "The Prophet" Thomas (FR); WR4 Jer'Michael Carter (Soph); WR1A Jayden Gibson (JR) - The sooners would desperately like to have the 2023 version of Jayden Gibson back on their roster for 2025. Unfortunately for OU, 2024 Gibson was punished for being yet another guy named "Jayden" and God provided for him to have a triad blowout in one of his knees accordingly. The dude wasn't available in the spring and many of the talking heads and insiders at OU are conceding that he may never play again after he blew the same knee out again in prep for the 2025 season, allegedly.

Lewis is from Southern Illinois and his numbers there were solid in FCS, but he couldn't find the field in prior stops at Wisconsin and UCLA. Ragins also looked like a FCS player last season. Thomas is being hailed as "special", which is a word that okies use when referring to people in a different manner than the rest of us. Carter is from McNeese State, hasn't gotten to campus yet, and they're projecting him to leapfrog everyone and be the starter after arrival. There are numerous dogshit positions on the OU roster, but this one might be worse than any besides TE. 

WR-Y: WR1 Deion Burks (SR); WR2 Isaiah Sategna (JR); WR3 Jordan Jacob (Soph) - Burks was heralded last offseason and going into the year as The Next Great OU Wide Receiver. He then caught 3 tds against Temple and the OU media shit itself in glee over this rare find from Purdue. Then the guy averaged fewer than 8ypc, never scored another td, suffered a lower leg injury and basically quit on the team. They begged him back on the field later in the season, he promptly got a concussion and never played again. Nagy showed up and moneywhipped this mediocrity to stay. He returns this cycle as a starter and the honking about his skills has freshly started again. Sategna was a similar player to Burks, only at Arkansas last year. For an alleged "burner", the guy averaged 13.3ypc and scored 1 touchdown all season. Jacob is another guy who showed up reeking of mediocrity and averaged fewer than 9ypc in mop up duty. 

Overall, the OU WR and TE rooms are as low quality as anyone will find in the SEC. I'm not saying there might not be 1 or 2 on the same level of putrid, but none of the ones that I've looked at so far fit that description. Vandy has an early draft pick at TE in Stowers. Texas? Right. Bama? Georgia? Florida? ATM even has Conception and Craver. Someone should go down the list of the other schools and see if there's one in which they'd prefer OU as the option. 

A live look-in at Venables examining his WR and TE rooms:

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LT: LT1 Logan Howland (Soph); LT2 Jacob Sexton (SR); LT3 Michael Fasusi (FR) - Sexton started off 2024 as the starter at LT for OU, then was so putrid that they moved him to LG following the Temple start. He stayed at LG until injury forced him back to LT before falling to injury himself, forcing the okies to start Howland the last 5 games. The one thing that can be said about Howland is that he's not Jacob Sexton. Bill Bedenbaugh has a reputation both as a probable pederast and terrific developer of OL talent. Consensus former 4 star Jacob Sexton questions that second thought. Fasusi allegedly "flashed" in the spring, yet OU commentators stated that, should Fasusi have to play early, they're in trouble. Also, Howland missed the spring after getting labrum surgery. No worries there, as the shoulder isn't important at all when it comes to quality OL technique and physicality. 

LG: LG1 Heath Ozaeta (Soph); LG2 Daniel Akinkunmi (Soph); LG3 Sean Hutton (FR) - Ozaeta became the starter for 8 games last year as the OU OL was decimated with injuries. He was not good (456th ranked G out of 639 OGs nationally per PFF) during that period and helped OU lead the FBS in sacks allowed, with 50 total. He missed the spring for labrum surgery as well, but is still projected as the starter. I will not pretend to know anything about the OU LG backup guards. 

C : C1 Troy Everett (SR); C2 Jake Maikkula (SR); C3 Owen Hollenbeck (FR) - Everett started the last half+ of the season last year at C and was functional (95th rated C out of 301 graded nationally). They're happy to have him back. Maikkula was a starter at Stanford who transferred this spring and he was terrible last year (232nd out of 301). Of all of the OL positions, C sadly looks best for OU from my perspective. 

RG: RG1 Fibechi Nwaiwu (SR); RG2 Eddy Pierre-Louis (FR); RG3 Ryan Fodje (FR) - Nwaiwu is the OU media's favorite OL for some reason (dude graded at 401 out of 639 OGs). I don't get it. The guy was a penalty machine and he made numerous errors in assignment throughout the season. He's back for more false starts and buffoonery in the running game. The only thing I know about the back-ups are that Pierre-Louis probably is fluent in French or Creole and Fodje was highly rated. 

RT: RT1 Derek Simmons (SR); RT2 Jake Taylor (JR); RT3 Luke Baklenko (JR) - Simmons is a transfer from Western Carolina. The guy showed up and immediately beat out Jake Taylor, mostly due to Taylor's knees being shot due to years of hard drinking and playing catcher. Baklenko has links to the Russian mob and is a transferring starter from Stanford. The guy had PFF grades in the low 50's as a starting T at Stanford and was allegedly pushed out of the program after being caught trying to extort the towel boy for protection in the locker room from Troy Taylor and the kickers. Not even OU honks are bullish on this position. 

What every Sooner OL sees in their nightmares and skull sessions:

Bill Bedenbaugh, Offensive Line Coach (FB), Oklahoma Sooners

Offensive Coaching: Venables pushed Joe Jon Finley back to just TE and meth cooking duties, where he belongs. He then went and hired a package deal from Wazzou in QB John Mateer and OC Fatty Arbuckle.

The combo hit it off at WSU, putting up big passing numbers and Mateer being a terrific running QB as part of the package. Arbuckle's offense isn't much for throwing to the TEs or backs, focusing on the QB:WR relationships. OU writers view Mateer as the steal of the portal this cycle and the program is betting on the duo offensively for survival. I expect Arbuckle to treat Venables's program like an aspiring actress, raping it for pleasure and then leaving it for dead. Michigan and the SEC won't hit as weakly as SJSU, Oregon State, Portland State, and the bevy of other trash that these idiots abused last season at Washington State. 

Arbuckle is 29. He put together a terrific offense at WKU in 2022 and parlayed that into the Wazzou gig in 2023. He coached Cam Ward and compiled another good season of stats. WSU started off on fire on offense and went 4-0. Once deeper into league play against quality defense, they proceeded to go 1-7, with the lone win being against a hapless CU late in November. The guy doesn't run straight Air Raid, RPO or West Coast, but rather steals from all 3 concepts and throws deep a lot. WSU last was aggressive with their use of planned run plays for Mateer. If Fatty uses Mateer like this against the OU 2025 schedule, Mateer's health could be in question by Red River. 

I'll add some posts from their writers on the offensive side below. I'll add defense, special teams and schedule thoughts later. Anyone seeing news about OU's roster or prospects for 2025 in football, feel free to pile on here, or add your own thoughts as well. 

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