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  1. Is there a single viable political force or organization within Palestinian society proposing anything that approximates a liberal democratic governance structure for the Palestinians NOW, let alone that proposes a liberal democratic state that includes a bunch of Jews? Whatever “Palestine will be free” means, it’s undeniable that there are not any actual political actors in play that have the desire to make it so.
  2. Really makes you wonder how much of this is about Palestinians…… Protesting “Zionism” to end “enslavement of working people,” yikes.
  3. Crimean ports are a dangerous place for Russian vessels.
  4. There’s not a context for painting Stars of David on a pig, although additional context is a shithead who has said that maybe October 7 was fake. It’s time to grow up.
  5. “Bro, we’re going to protest theocratic or ethnically based states, they shouldn’t exist. They’re illegitimate and shouldn’t exist!” ”Oh, shit, we’re going to protest the existence of Pakistan, explicitly founded as a state for Muslims and where you are not allowed to convert from Islam on pain of death?” ”No, that’s not cool but we aren’t protesting Pakistan.” ”Oh, so we are going to protest the existence of Arab states that expelled Jews and legally privilege Muslims?” ”No bro, we aren’t protesting them even though that’s not cool.” ”Ok, I am totally pissed at the existence of nations created as homes for Poles and Czechs and Slovaks! Fuck them! Bring back the Habsburgs, it’s bullshit to create ethnostates!” ”Hahaha, no. They sound problematic too but we aren’t protesting them.” “What religious and/or ethnic state are we protesting as illegitimate?”
  6. Israel should remove illegal settlements and should extend full civil rights to all Israeli regardless of religion and propose a legitimate path to statehood for Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank. A lot of what the Israeli government does is not justifiable.
  7. Here’s something that’s good to figure out early: If there is a parade of 100 people, and 10 of them are Nazis in the parade with flags and shit, it’s not 10 Nazis and 90 very fine people. It’s just a Nazi parade. Very fine people don’t march with Nazis and they don’t make temporary peace to achieve mutual aims with Nazis. If there’s a rally and it’s 20 Communists calling for violent revolution out of 100– it’s just a Communist rally. It’s not 80 liberals and a few Commies. It’s just a fucking tankie rally. Sorry you gotta police your own. @DDD Dadwas very specific in calling out Waters’ as a good example of hiding behind “anti-Israel not anti-Jew” and then doing the most obvious anti-Israel shit imaginable.
  8. Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Roger. Waters. Easy as that. Can you do it? He’s a complete shit head who’s wrong about everything and paints Stars of David on pigs and says Ukraine provoked Russia into invading. He says that maybe October 7 didn’t happen. Try it on. “Roger Waters is a shithead anti-Semite even if he’s pro Palestine.” Walk back and forth in the aisles. See how the word “even” is more appropriate than “but”?
  9. I gave you the quote. What part of “remove Hamas from power and make them incapable of running Gaza”’ is an illegitimate aim? Be specific on the part that is genocidal?
  10. “Nothing I ever do is anti-Semitic. Not even my pig with a Star of David painted on it. My dad fought in World War II.” The constant apologetics and downplaying of obvious anti-semitism makes people non-credible when they whine about how being pro—Palestine tars them as as anti-semites. Ok, so maybe don’t downplay Charlottesville and make excuses for Roger Waters (who has also said that October 7 is fake). Maybe don’t get pissy when your news source is revealed as bullshit Kremlin juche?
  11. https://www.npr.org/2023/11/05/1210734100/israel-says-its-goal-is-to-remove-hamas-from-power-what-comes-next-is-unclear
  12. ISIS no longer controls any territory and after four years of combat is back in hiding and issuing propaganda. AQ is seriously degraded and Americans no longe think much about Islamic terror. There is a level of violence you can apply to these problems. There are still a few unrepentant Nazis around, too.
  13. This is pretty much All Lives Matter— but from the Left, so it’s OK. You’re allowed to care about gay people without minimizing anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is like the philosopher’s stone of bigotry once you leave the Pacific Rim. No matter what asshole you’re bumping up against- Nazis, fundamentalist Christians, Islamic extremists, Opus Dei, Nation of Islam, right-wangers, Slavophiles, conspiracy nuts, tankies and pinkos, John Mearsheimer— you better buckle up because you’re gonna hear some weird shit about the Jews and Israel. Every. Gotdamn. Time.
  14. You are conflating anti-Israel with anti-Israeli government. Similar to conflating anti-Hamas with anti-Palestine.
  15. To this I would add— if you’re upset at the Israeli government, ok. That’s fair, and you don’t deserve to be called anti-Semitic for that. But if you tandem that criticism with “these actual, real-life, Nazi-flag waving assholes screaming about Jews are NBD. Shootings at Jewish places of worship and other centers, eh. If anything this is all worse for non-Jews.” Then you need to have some awareness that it doesn’t lend people to trust that you’re speaking in good faith on the former.
  16. “Stupid, easily manipulated people who don’t understand Jews are being manipulated into waving Nazi flags and yelling about Jews” is not a supporting argument to the the thesis “anti-Semisoms isn’t a real issue,” my man.
  17. I mean, I’m not going to argue that they are not morons but it sounds pretty willfully oblivious to say that waving Nazi shit and chanting “Jews will not replace us” means it’s not about Jew hatred.
  18. Hundreds of millions of Americans hated the Trump administration, me included, and I would never in a million years say “I’m against America.” Neither would most of the others who worked like hell to get him out. A good test of whether it’s legitimate criticism or just bigoted conspiracy theory is to sub in entirely different political actors and see if the point changes or likely line of attack changes at all. Such it is with the extremely bigoted accusation that 9/11 was an inside job or that Israel allowed 10/7 to happen to themselves.
  19. Dude, I don’t know what to tell you. When you go overseas and hear people say “9/11 was an inside job,” don’t make the incredibly stupid assumption that they are just anti-Bush or anti-Republican or something. They’re anti-Americans, full stop. “October 7 was provoked or an inside job or is fake” is not legitimate criticism of the Israeli government and you’re being willfully ignorant to pretend like it is.
  20. If an Israel-Palestine thread prompts you to say that the neo-Nazi torch wavers who sparked a deadly riot aren’t that big of a deal, actually, again—— time for an inventory.
  21. Parsing down whether each individual deployment of a historical anti-semitic trope has anti-semetic intent behind it is not a productive path. This is basically “you can’t know what’s in their heart.” Ok? All I can say is that when people start saying that the Jews or an entity closely affiliated with Jews are faking or fomenting atrocities because they have a secret sinister motive to advance— it sounds pretty fucking anti-Semitic and the people who say it should know better. Similar vibes:
  22. There was an interesting article a while back that I can’t find which dove into how the IDF is using a framework similar to the ones NATO uses/used in anti-ISIS and the Iraq War to balance military value against likely civilian impact before authorizing an air strike. It is likely similar but not identical and the key is that the “acceptable” ratio varies: We are more aggressive than the UK which is more aggressive than most Euros and the IDF is surely more aggressive than us. But there is a framework there. That museum is OK, it’s interesting but the best museum is the New National Museum’s 20th century history wing. It’s great but not as well-marketed to visitors.
  23. No I’m not, if you want to say that the Israeli government is doing crimes by facilitating the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, I’ll tell you that you’re right. What I am saying is that the narrative above is a historic anti-Semitic narrative and when it’s deployed agains the world’s only Jewish nation, it’s anti-Semitic. All these old theories and libels are not new, and neither is the substitution of a stand-in for Jew. It was antisemitism back when it was lobbed against “International Cosmopolitanism.” And Jews are a people, not just a religion. The intellectual facile bit comes into play when you willfully ignore the history and context that comes with it. In an American context, it’s similar to admitting that while false cries of rape are always harmful and bad, they carry an extra level of malevolence when levied against Black men. Context matters.
  24. I won’t say that this is automatically anti-Semitic but it’s worth doing an honest self-inventory about which other countries you are “anti” because you believe their creation was a huge mistake. You do know that virtually every single Arab nation expelled their Jews at basically the same time they were created as ethnostates with a privileged position for Muslims, right? If the take is that the Ottomans need to come back I can classify that as eccentric.
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