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45 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

ND probably kills the ACC - they’re holding a press conference and I bet they cancel their ACC membership. 

That league can’t survive without them. 

There is enough talent in the ACC region of the US for them to have competitive teams and rival the B12. ND needs the ACC as no other power conference will allow them to schedule 8 games a year. ND with USC yearly and a sun belt schedule would rival UConn in a decade. NBC would tell them to kick rocks when they have James Madison on the schedule every year. 

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33 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Maybe I am misremembering but didn't a ton of players from FSU opt out of the bowl game?  Not just players that were going to the NFL, but players more or less acting the same as Notre Dame

They did, but FSU at least showed up. FSU was a pretty senior-heavy team IIRC.

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I think Notre Dame significantly overvalues themselves in the year of our lord 2025.    They don't draw near what they used to.   Notre Dame Miami had 10.8MM viewers, A&M/Notre Dame had 6.2MM and Notre Dame USC had 4.6MM.   

To put it in perspective, Texas/OSU had 16.6MM, Texas/TAMU had 13MM, Texas/UGA had 10.43MM and Ohio St. Michigan had top rated game of year at 18MM.

Notre Dame's TV deal with NBC runs through 2029 and they aren't pulling their weight with other Blue Bloods as is.  But if you combine that with the absolute fact that SEC and Big 10 blue bloods absolutely should not be scheduling ND going forward given our experience this year, they desperately need the ACC alliance in order to fill out a schedule (shitty as it is).

This is a real opportunity for the rest of the College Football powers to fucking put ND in their place and further devalue their brand. 

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2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think Notre Dame significantly overvalues themselves in the year of our lord 2025.    They don't draw near what they used to.   Notre Dame Miami had 10.8MM viewers, A&M/Notre Dame had 6.2MM and Notre Dame USC had 4.6MM.   

To put it in perspective, Texas/OSU had 16.6MM, Texas/TAMU had 13MM, Texas/UGA had 10.43MM and Ohio St. Michigan had top rated game of year at 18MM.

Notre Dame's TV deal with NBC runs through 2029 and they aren't pulling their weight with other Blue Bloods as is.  But if you combine that with the absolute fact that SEC and Big 10 blue bloods absolutely should not be scheduling ND going forward given our experience this year, they desperately need the ACC alliance in order to fill out a schedule (shitty as it is).

This is a real opportunity for the rest of the College Football powers to fucking put ND in their place and further devalue their brand. 

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

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Is it though? We sold out the stadium for terrible G5 teams this season. What cash bonanza is the program getting from a Notre Dame series than playing Purdue? I don't think TV networks bump up your pay if you get them a sexy OOC matchup to broadcast. I'm imagine the city of Austin does better than Texas does when a big name matchup happens at DKR. Are we basing this on more expensive tickets for a Notre Dame game than someone else?

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Is it though? We sold out the stadium for terrible G5 teams this season. 

But would ticket prices be higher for those G5 teams, or for ND? Would the season ticket package be higher for a schedule that had ND instead of a G5?

*To be clear, I recognize that the actual difference is small relative to the entire athletic budget, but I have seen essentially no blue blood or other big program take any step that doesn't attempt to squeeze very dime out of the system that it can. 

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Just now, Michael Knight said:

ND could kill the ACC but then where do they go, the Big 10 and SEC won't give them the sweetheart deal

I feel like the B1G eventually would. They've listed over ND for eternity, and they'd welcome the little bump they'd get from having ND guaranteed on their TV deal 6 times a year. 

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5 minutes ago, LTbear said:

But would ticket prices be higher for those G5 teams, or for ND? Would the season ticket package be higher for a schedule that had ND instead of a G5?

*To be clear, I recognize that the actual difference is small relative to the entire athletic budget, but I have seen essentially no blue blood or other big program take any step that doesn't attempt to squeeze very dime out of the system that it can. 

I would imagine going forward, the SEC is going to drop the P4 rule. The Big 10 doesn't require it and Indiana is certainly lining up 3 cupcakes at home now. If the SEC does the same, it would make sense that we only schedule teams willing to come to DKR. That way you always have 7 home games versus 6 in years we would normally go to the away leg of a P4. 

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12 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.  And with 9 conference games there will be plenty of high quality matchups to keep tix in demand.  Texas and other Big Brands aren't going to value fucking stubhub making extra fees off third party sales over maximizing opportunities to make the playoffs.   The extra few hundred thousand in revenue a ND home game might bring in is meaningless not to mention it would be a net loss compared to another team like Syracuse or someone that might agree to a 2 for 1.

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Just now, Skipper said:

How is it a "cash bonanza"???  This isn't 2010.  Season tickets are sold out at Texas bud.  And with 9 conference games there will be plenty of high quality matchups to keep tix in demand.  Texas and other Big Brands aren't going to value fucking stubhub making extra fees off third party sales over maximizing opportunities to make the playoffs.   The extra few hundred thousand in revenue a ND home game might bring in is meaningless not to mention it would be a net loss compared to another team like Syracuse or someone that might agree to a 2 for 1.

See my last post

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Just now, Skipper said:

Your last post was equally wrong.

Great insight. Here, my point is simple: I've never seen big time college brands do anything that doesn't get them more money, so I am skeptical they would do so now. Even if Texas didn't want to schedule ND, I have no doubt second-level teams like Aggy, Auburn, Tennessee, etc. would. 

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21 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I mean sure, in theory, but B1G and SEC bluebloods absolutely will keep scheduling ND because a home and home with ND is a cash bonanza.

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

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Just now, BigHornedLurker said:

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

Listen, I hope you're right. ND's holier than thou attitude is bullshit. That new agreement that says they have to get in the playoff if ranked in the top 12 (which, had that taken effect this year, means they would have bumped Miami) is even further horseshit. 

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3 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I understand how ESPN makes a ton of cash off these games, I haven't seen anyone explain how Texas makes a ton of cash off these games 

I think ND is overplaying their hand here if the screw with the ACC myself, because as a Texas fan I'm taking different lessons here : Don't schedule marquee OOC 

Where does that leave ND ? playing even shittier schedules, probably lowering their NBC contract next time around

Why would anyone want to play ND to fluff up their SOS ? Starve those fuckers 

Agreed and it's all very interesting to me.  Because ND is going to have a seat at the table negotiating playoff expansion.   Unless ND already has a handshake deal with Sankey or Petiti to support a preferred plan, ND's temper tantrum the last 24 hours appears on its face to be really poor negotiating strategy and not accurately "reading the room" regarding their current value to this sport because they don't have a lot of cards to play.  ND played ONE top 20 rated game the entire season.   With committee treatment of TX @ OSU, you already have multiple programs and/or coaches in addition to Sark (I saw Elko for example said as much) questioning the value of scheduling marquee OOC games.    ND is in a position where they could very well get shutout if they aren't holding hands with someone.  It seems emotional and poorly thought out to publicly attack the ACC.  Both those entities need each other.

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