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Assuming Iowa State holds on against San Diego State and Kansas beats Marquette tonight, the Big 12 will be 37-6 in non conference play. Not bad

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The Big 12 is loaded again. Looking like a 6-8 bid league.  

Outside of Oklahoma State and Baylor I think everyone has the potential to make tournament. 14/18 games in conference play could be against tournament teams. 

Top to bottom the big 12 has been the best conference for years. No cupcakes in this league. 

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21 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

The Big 12 is loaded again. Looking like a 6-8 bid league.  

Outside of Oklahoma State and Baylor I think everyone has the potential to make tournament. 14/18 games in conference play could be against tournament teams. 

Top to bottom the big 12 has been the best conference for years. No cupcakes in this league. 

I'd be worried if I was a WVU fan too. They have looked flat out bad at times and could have easily dropped to 1-3 against St. Joe's.

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8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'd be worried if I was a WVU fan too. They have looked flat out bad at times and could have easily dropped to 1-3 against St. Joe's.

true but the benefit of the Big 12 is going 8-10 (heck even 7-11) in conference play might get you in the tournament. That's the benefit of playing a tournament type team almost every night. 

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Kansas has more depth and talent this year but no real identity.

I think this is a case of "depth" being overvalued especially in college basketball. Newman, Graham and Mykhailiuk fit that small ball system perfectly and they had an identity. You knew what Kansas was going to be every night. 

I'm not sure what this Kansas team wants to be. Do they want to be an inside/out team with Azubuike or a perimeter team with all these guards?

 

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Marquette has not score 8+ minutes into the 2nd half...

KU currently on 18-0 run

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36 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

Kansas has more depth and talent this year but no real identity.

I think this is a case of "depth" being overvalued especially in college basketball. Newman, Graham and Mykhailiuk fit that small ball system perfectly and they had an identity. You knew what Kansas was going to be every night. 

I'm not sure what this Kansas team wants to be. Do they want to be an inside/out team with Azubuike or a perimeter team with all these guards?

 

It's like we have the personnel to play the high-low but Bill forgot how to teach it since we haven't played it in 4 years or so.  Lawson should be ideal for the high post with his passing ability but he is just not finishing when he gets the chance.  Further, Garrett is god awful.  His defender just sags inside to take away the entry pass or his defender stays close to the hot Vick.  Having him on the court is like playing offense 4 on 6.

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Garrett is known to be our worst offensive weapon and for some reason he has taken 11 shots.  If it weren't for one gimmie, he would be 2/10.  He is awful.

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1 hour ago, texasstrong12 said:

Kansas has more depth and talent this year but no real identity.

I think this is a case of "depth" being overvalued especially in college basketball. Newman, Graham and Mykhailiuk fit that small ball system perfectly and they had an identity. You knew what Kansas was going to be every night. 

I'm not sure what this Kansas team wants to be. Do they want to be an inside/out team with Azubuike or a perimeter team with all these guards?

They ultimately want to be inside out on offense and use athleticism on defense to run teams off the arc and scramble/cause turnovers.

They haven’t really figured either out yet, but it’s a long season.

 

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looks like Self has sent a message to this team about the kind of identity he wants them to have:

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looks like Self has sent a message to this team about the kind of identity he wants them to have:

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What's wrong with Self's hair? It looks odd on the back of his head in that picture

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7 hours ago, texasstrong12 said:

8/10 teams are ranked in the top 50 in Kenpom. Oklahoma State and Baylor are ranked #53 and #56. 

Going to be an insanely tough conference schedule again. 

https://kenpom.com/

 

Big 12 rankings:

2.   Kansas

11. Texas Tech  

17. Kansas State

18. Iowa State

27. Texas

28. West Virginia

43. Oklahoma

49. TCU

53. Oklahoma State

56. Baylor

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Big 12 is now 48-10 in OOC play as of Monday night. Not bad, not bad at all.

Big 12 also already has 4 AP top 25 wins, T-2nd with the B1G and behind only the ACC which has 6. The B1G and the ACC are 14 team conferences.

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On 11/26/2018 at 10:27 AM, Brian Fantana said:

KSU going as deep as they did in the tourney last year without their best player was the best testament to how good this league really is imo.

Getting the 16 seed in the round of 32 didn't hurt either.

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MEN
1. Big 12: 51-10 (.836)
2. ACC: 79-21 (.790)
3. Big Ten: 74-20 (.787)
4. Big East: 50-15 (.769)
5. Pac 12: 51-22 (.699)
6. SEC: 61-27 (.693)

WOMEN
1. Big 12: 47-10 (.825)
2. Pac 12: 58-15 (.795)
3. Big Ten: 63-19 (.768)
4. ACC: 77-26 (.748)
5. Big East: 40-18 (.690)
6. SEC: 62-29 (.681)

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On 11/28/2018 at 11:18 AM, Brian Fantana said:

Baylor looked like shit again so that's cool

BlowU struggled with the mean green for a while

The only thing I'm certain of is Kansas is the best team in the Big 12 and Baylor is the worst. 

That North Texas team is actually pretty good so not surprising that OU struggled. 

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Tech really playing like shit so far against Memphis. Sleepwalking on offense.

 

1-6 from 3, 3-7 from FT line, not gonna cut it in conference play.

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From playing the worst first half I've seen in years from a Tech basketball team, they have somehow turned it up in the 2nd half, Tech up 71-63 currently. 

Tariq Owens with 13 points, 11 boards, 7 blocks

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From playing the worst first half I've seen in years from a Tech basketball team, they have somehow turned it up in the 2nd half, Tech up 71-63 currently. 
Tariq Owens with 13 points, 11 boards, 7 blocks
currently on a 33-10 run

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That was a really satisfying neutral court win. Hardaway had a great defensive plan for us and it really shook us up for the first 2/3 of that game. Really nice to see your team not give up and claw their way back into the game. That said, we can't have our guards be so careless with the ball early on against better teams.

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10 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Tech really playing like shit so far against Memphis. Sleepwalking on offense.

 

1-6 from 3, 3-7 from FT line, not gonna cut it in conference play.

Not the first slow start this year...

Beard is pretty decent at halftime.

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Yesterday was fairly interesting:

  • Tech turns a terrible start into a double digit neutral court win against the Hardaways
  • K-State gets run out of the gym by Marquette on the road
  • WVU beats up on a nobody
  • Baylor somehow only loses by 8 to WSU on the road after being down 44-15 at halftime
  • KU looks pedestrian at home vs. an objectively bad Stanford team

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KU up on Worford 29-26 at half time.
KU remembers that they're Kansas and pulls away to win by 25. They doubled up Wofford in the second half

OU beats Notre Dame at The Garden by 5

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14 hours ago, DeadArmadillo said:

KU remembers that they're Kansas and pulls away to win by 25. They doubled up Wofford in the second half

OU beats Notre Dame at The Garden by 5

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Right on the money.  KU wins 47-72.  Hope you played the live lines.

1 hour ago, VolenteHawk said:

Udoka Azubuike with an ankle injury against Wofford, out indefinitely.

 

Not a break and not a high ankle sprain.  Self saying he'll be out until about xmas.  Looks like we're going back to the 4 guard lineup.

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40 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

Right on the money.  KU wins 47-72.  Hope you played the live lines.

Not a break and not a high ankle sprain.  Self saying he'll be out until about xmas.  Looks like we're going back to the 4 guard lineup.

I haven't watched KU much this year yet, how big of a blow is this to the team overall? I recall last year he could be something of a liability at times depending on the other team's schemes.

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27 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

What's the latest on Wiggington and Lard?

Lard's back.  Had some decent minutes Monday.  He looked a little lost, especially on offense, but played with good defensive intensity, lodging 2 blocks in his first two defensive possessions.

Not sure on Wigginton yet.  They aren't going to rush this injury.  Honestly, I don't think we need him to beat Iowa.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I haven't watched KU much this year yet, how big of a blow is this to the team overall? I recall last year he could be something of a liability at times depending on the other team's schemes.

I honestly don't know.  He is still a liability from the free throw line and we haven't had a very fluid offense this year because we are having trouble with a clogged lane trying to play 2 bigs again.  You never want to see someone who shoots 75% be kept off the floor, but we adjusted well even without Vick going off (he was 0-3).  I think it will force our guards to step up which could be a good thing to cull the rotation properly.  In a weird way, I'm hopeful he is out until conference play.  We go to ASU at the end of the month and Bobby Hurley has a tiny enough dick that he would put in a scrub and just foul Azibukie every time down the floor.  Bill has a big enough ego that he wouldn't take doke out if that was the case and we'd lose by 17.

We'll see, I have been underwhelmed by everyone on the team with the exception of Dotson (I didn't even think he'd start) and Vick (I didn't even think he would be let on the team).  It is time for other guys to either step up (grimes/garrett/mccormack) or to get more efficient (Dedric Lawson).  We are about to learn a lot about this team.

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2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I haven't watched KU much this year yet, how big of a blow is this to the team overall? I recall last year he could be something of a liability at times depending on the other team's schemes.

Not much of one, really.  He's still a liability in all the same ways you remember from last year...especially the foul line and defending away from the basket.  We've also added the wrinkle of forcing the ball into him repeatedly on offense, which tends to bog the offense down.  I expect us to play smaller and look subjectively better, but we'll take a step backward on the glass.

 

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24 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Ball game.  We’ve had shots all night and just fucking missed.

Has wigginton played at all this year?

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