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19 hours ago, Goredho said:

Work and family demands are really sucking away my time these days, so I just got to listen to your trance hop here.  I am not a huge fan of the genre, but this was good and more appealing and interesting to me than most examples I’ve heard.  How’d you program the beat in logic?

I made the beat using the new step sequencer in logic.  that was part of the reason i put the track together in the first place.  logic just did a big update and one of the things they added was a really cool and versatile step sequencer for the various drum kits.  this was the result of playing around with that a bunch.

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39 minutes ago, sidis said:

I made the beat using the new step sequencer in logic.  that was part of the reason i put the track together in the first place.  logic just did a big update and one of the things they added was a really cool and versatile step sequencer for the various drum kits.  this was the result of playing around with that a bunch.

Cool, good to know about.  Thanks for the share.

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"On the Nature of Daylight" is one of my favorite pieces written in the last 20 years.  It was written for a string quintet and its intimacy is part of what makes it work so well.  So I of course took on the challenge of ratcheting up the scale and rearranged it for an entire orchestra and piano.  It is a long, slow build that finishes with a lot of sound.

 

 

 

 

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On 6/17/2020 at 10:32 PM, sidis said:

"On the Nature of Daylight" is one of my favorite pieces written in the last 20 years.  It was written for a string quintet and its intimacy is part of what makes it work so well.  So I of course took on the challenge of ratcheting up the scale and rearranged it for an entire orchestra and piano.  It is a long, slow build that finishes with a lot of sound.

 

 

 

 

Not sure how I missed this back in June, but I really like that @sidis.  I wasn't aware of the original and went back and listened to it afterwards.  Agree its a great and moving piece and your arrangement does a good job of upping the scope.

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New piece I just wrapped up.  This is my heaviest piece and strongly inspired by Ennio Morricone, who I think is just the bomb.  I was already recording this when he passed, so it was kind of weird to be working on this at the same time.  Its probably a bit overly ambitious, and would probably be a better composition if it was whittled down a bit.  Alas, I have to set it aside for now.
 

 

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14 hours ago, Goredho said:

New piece I just wrapped up.  This is my heaviest piece and strongly inspired by Ennio Morricone, who I think is just the bomb.  I was already recording this when he passed, so it was kind of weird to be working on this at the same time.  Its probably a bit overly ambitious, and would probably be a better composition if it was whittled down a bit.  Alas, I have to set it aside for now.
 

 

Badass, dude.  Morricone is obviously the godfather OG and his passing was tragic.  Everyone in our world should be mourning as his influence will likely never cease.  Great job on the tribute. 

The D-E-F-A-F-E-D-C-B melodic theme with the flourishes starting at 0:20 and 4:46 are absolutely on point for Morricone.  That is really nice.  Feels like Clint is coming around the corner.  That part from 4:46 to the end, the influence shines through hard and builds nicely all the way to the end which is strong.  The distortion transition at 7:35 is brilliant...love it.  Ratchets up the spaghetti western element of Ennio's career.  I honestly wonder if you do not have two different songs here though.  Part of me really would like to hear from the beginning to 3:05 and then 4:46 to the end on its own as a tribute piece.  The rock out at 3:06 to 4:45 feels like its own piece to me.  Not that there is anything wrong at all with a more medley type tribute but if so, I wonder if there is a way to make the transition from 4:40 to 4:46 a bit smoother...maybe start the light touch drumming a bar earlier or something so that it seamlessly continues during the suspension at 4:43-4:46.  Just my observation/opinion obviously so take it for what it is worth.  Also, you are using a limiter in mastering, right?  Thought I heard some clipping at 3:37-ish but I am on a significant schedule 2 narcotics right now so I may be imagining things.

Overall, love it.  Really great tribute from a composition perspective and well executed.  Really wish I could play the guitar as well as you.

 

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23 minutes ago, sidis said:

Badass, dude.  Morricone is obviously the godfather OG and his passing was tragic.  Everyone in our world should be mourning as his influence will likely never cease.  Great job on the tribute. 

The D-E-F-A-F-E-D-C-B melodic theme with the flourishes starting at 0:20 and 4:46 are absolutely on point for Morricone.  That is really nice.  Feels like Clint is coming around the corner.  That part from 4:46 to the end, the influence shines through hard and builds nicely all the way to the end which is strong.  The distortion transition at 7:35 is brilliant...love it.  Ratchets up the spaghetti western element of Ennio's career.  I honestly wonder if you do not have two different songs here though.  Part of me really would like to hear from the beginning to 3:05 and then 4:46 to the end on its own as a tribute piece.  The rock out at 3:06 to 4:45 feels like its own piece to me.  Not that there is anything wrong at all with a more medley type tribute but if so, I wonder if there is a way to make the transition from 4:40 to 4:46 a bit smoother...maybe start the light touch drumming a bar earlier or something so that it seamlessly continues during the suspension at 4:43-4:46.  Just my observation/opinion obviously so take it for what it is worth.  Also, you are using a limiter in mastering, right?  Thought I heard some clipping at 3:37-ish but I am on a significant schedule 2 narcotics right now so I may be imagining things.

Overall, love it.  Really great tribute from a composition perspective and well executed.  Really wish I could play the guitar as well as you.

 


Thanks for the feedback, and I have some similar feelings.  Not sure this is a single work as much as a collection of compositional elements that might be better partitioned differently and not in a single piece.  I might rework it down the road, but I need to let it gestate a bit in my mind in its current state.

I am using some minimal compression during mastering, but it might need to be tweaked.  I did look to see that peaks are not clipping, but they get damn close.  Btw, this was my first piece in Logic Pro X, which I am starting to really like.  I can do everything I was doing with Garage Band, but am still only scratching the surface of Logic's additional features.  I'll see if a limiter makes a diff.

I was kind of surprised that there wasn't an Ennio thread when he died, but guess I could have started one.  One thing I think Morricone did better than anyone has and probably ever will is deliver epic soundscapes that were the perfect sonic analog to the epic landscapes of the American west.  I don't think those Sergio Leone films would have been nearly as remarkable without the grandeur of their scoring.

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45 minutes ago, Goredho said:


Thanks for the feedback, and I have some similar feelings.  Not sure this is a single work as much as a collection of compositional elements that might be better partitioned differently and not in a single piece.  I might rework it down the road, but I need to let it gestate a bit in my mind in its current state.

I am using some minimal compression during mastering, but it might need to be tweaked.  I did look to see that peaks are not clipping, but they get damn close.  Btw, this was my first piece in Logic Pro X, which I am starting to really like.  I can do everything I was doing with Garage Band, but am still only scratching the surface of Logic's additional features.  I'll see if a limiter makes a diff.

I was kind of surprised that there wasn't an Ennio thread when he died, but guess I could have started one.  One thing I think Morricone did better than anyone has and probably ever will is deliver epic soundscapes that were the perfect sonic analog to the epic landscapes of the American west.  I don't think those Sergio Leone films would have been nearly as remarkable without the grandeur of their scoring.

Not even close.  Ennio was the most important element of all those movies by a longshot.  second place was the cinematography.  his versatility ranging from those to the sounds of the mission and once upon a time in america (which many film music professionals hold up as the greatest ever) is pure genius.  i would have started a thread but i was having surgery when it happened and am just now kind of getting back on the horse.

the limiter will make all the difference in the world.  set it to -1.0 db for streaming.  the one built into logic will get the job done but i've got some pretty cool third party shit (izotope ozone9 and neutron3) that can make a big difference on the mix and mastering as well.  if you want to send me a link to the logic project file with the different audio tracks in it, i can unleash that software on it to see if it makes any difference.  it will absolutely 100% not replace an actual mixing/mastering engineer in a studio, but for hobbyists like us, it can really make a big difference in elevating something to a bit more professional level.  Anyway, happy to do it if you would like.  Nice work once again.

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2 hours ago, sidis said:

Not even close.  Ennio was the most important element of all those movies by a longshot.  second place was the cinematography.  his versatility ranging from those to the sounds of the mission and once upon a time in america (which many film music professionals hold up as the greatest ever) is pure genius.  i would have started a thread but i was having surgery when it happened and am just now kind of getting back on the horse.

the limiter will make all the difference in the world.  set it to -1.0 db for streaming.  the one built into logic will get the job done but i've got some pretty cool third party shit (izotope ozone9 and neutron3) that can make a big difference on the mix and mastering as well.  if you want to send me a link to the logic project file with the different audio tracks in it, i can unleash that software on it to see if it makes any difference.  it will absolutely 100% not replace an actual mixing/mastering engineer in a studio, but for hobbyists like us, it can really make a big difference in elevating something to a bit more professional level.  Anyway, happy to do it if you would like.  Nice work once again.

Glad you are back on the horse :D

Thanks for the offer to throw your mastering tools at it.  I wonder if it's time I try out the izotope 7 day trial.  And speaking of  logic project files, what are you doing for backups?  Just normal backups with time machine?

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2 hours ago, Goredho said:

Glad you are back on the horse :D

Thanks for the offer to throw your mastering tools at it.  I wonder if it's time I try out the izotope 7 day trial.  And speaking of  logic project files, what are you doing for backups?  Just normal backups with time machine?

External hard drive for backups. 

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@sidis I have to say thanks for hooking me up with Ozone.  I bought a bass and re-recorded the detuned-guitar bassline on this track with a real bass and remixed with Ozone and its like, way, way better.

Real Bass + Ozone:


Pitch-shifted guitar + Goredho the shitty master engineer:

 

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good stuff, dude.  i loaded this up on loud on my best monitors.  the second sounds like listening to the same song though an ocean of water in comparison.  the maximizer alone is a massive difference.

nice work.  i figured you would see the value of it pretty quickly.

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1 minute ago, sidis said:

good stuff, dude.  i loaded this up on loud on my best monitors.  the second sounds like listening to the same song though an ocean of water in comparison.  the maximizer alone is a massive difference.

nice work.  i figured you would see the value of it pretty quickly.

Yeah, probably going to splurge on their full suite at some point including Ozone and Neutron.

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