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TKthunder2

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  1. Yeah, the B1G and PAC must have felt like the assholes they are after Oklahoma was invited to the SEC. Good thing about realignment is that most of that holier-than-thou attitude is likely going to die with the PAC12. PAC: academic snootiness of Cal/Stanford and trying to be like the Big Ten killed the conference. They had their chance at Texas and Oklahoma and then basically every B12 school for the last year but wasted it. Colorado calling the B12 a JUCO league and then returning would be glorious. B1G: the friendliest foe that will stab you in the back for a dollar. Sure they have old money and academics prestige, but they single-handedly killed the regional conference concept and raided the A10, Big 12, ACC, Big East, and even their bff PAC12. Brag about academics in one hand, and have your athlete fly from LA to Newark in the other. ACC: who the fuck cares, they’ve been pulling anyone and everyone with a pulse since 2000. They lost any respect they had when they invited Louisville.
  2. I’m a 3rd generation Longhorn and a Mavericks fan. Never lived outside the state (Alvin, Longview, Austin, and Dallas). I get why USC would hate Oregon, doesn’t make blackballing them the right decision for them or the Big Ten. If USC gets back to regular 10 wins seasons Oregon won’t be an issue. I get USC not wanting to sign on for another PAC12 after dark deal, but they signed a deal with the devil and the devil is going to get his pound of flesh. At least, they can limit their exposure by adding more time zone challenged programs so it’s not every other week.
  3. Obviously in conference realignment the most successful thing you can do is to add a jewel (UT/OU/USC/ND), but now there is literally only 1 of those left. The second part of conference realignment is to raise the bar strengthen your middle and lesser your weaknesses. Washington and Oregon are the only programs in the P12 that everyone agrees would slot into the middle of the Big Ten alongside Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa. Hate Oregon, that’s cool, but to act like they have no value is asinine.
  4. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-should-the-big-ten-expand-next-we-crunched-the-numbers/ 538 lays out the options pretty well. A: ND B: UNC, Oregon, FSU, Washington and C : Clemson, Utah, Miami, Stanford, Cal Whether you agree or disagree with his analysis, we all can agree that ND while the best option will be the hardest to pull and with the ACC’s GOR it keeps UNC, FSU, Miami, Clemson, UVA, GT, etc off the table until next cycle so… If the Big Ten wants to expand before their next contract the only options are PAC12 schools. Oregon/Washington are solid “B” options and the synergy of Cal/Stanford joining the B1G and giving them eternal academic scoreboard on everyone outside the Ivy League plus alleviating the political pressure from the UCLA fallout seems like it checks off multiple boxes for the conference. This is what I think happens: The Big Ten finalizes their deals with FOX/CBS/NBC. Everyone in the conference knows what they will make as a group for years to come. Once that is 100% complete… The Big Ten invites Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal to the conference at the pro-rata increase that they can negotiate for. You could see FOX paying some more to lock down a B1G after dark game for FS1. The Big Ten gets no immediate financial benefit from their memberships, but it doesn’t cost them anything either. While this gives UO/UW/Stan/Cal less money than the rest of the Big Ten, it would still pay them more than they could make in an independent (since their home slate will have USC/UCLA/and other B1G games) or with the PAC12 ($30mil) or B12 ($50mil) deals. They’ll also be bringing the BTN in market for SFO, SEA, and PDX which should pay big dividends towards their finances. If the B1G is pulling $100 million a year per school, one could envision these 4 PAC12 North schools making somewhere in the $60-$70 million range for the duration of this arrangement. Once the new contract is ready to be renegotiated these 4 would be full fledged members with full shares.
  5. Fuck, glad your kid is okay, but if it’s my kid I’m 100% pressing charges. A straight up fight or push outside is one thing, but pushing someone unsuspecting for no reason down the stairs isn’t something I would ever be able to let go. You guys are lucky he wasn’t badly injured.
  6. Meh…they have 60k+ students now, so if it did it once a day to allow kids from the metros easy access to their hometowns plus a few special trains for home football games then it would have been fine. It they stopped there every trip then it would have been moronic.
  7. Fit and rivalries. If the money is right (obviously concern #1 & #2) there is no reason for West Virginia to stay when they are only 1 of 3 schools West of Iowa. Even after the defections West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, Virginia Tech, NC State, Syracuse, Boston College is a solid core that could easily be expanded with more regional East Coast (East Coast adjacent) members.
  8. Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVA, and VT all have a chance at the SEC. NCSU might, only if they miss out on UNC.
  9. I could see ESPN pushing the ACC to take West Virginia/Cincinnati or Memphis/UConn to get to 16+ND that way even if they lose a school or two to the B1G/SEC they’d still have plenty of inventory to complete the contract. It also might help give them an excuse to funnel some more $ (small amount) to the ACC and calm down some of the butthurt.
  10. What is the reason this state needs 7 university systems? You’re saying you don’t agree and we’re being shortsighted but you offer no supporting arguments for your position. What state has a world class higher education system and how are they managed?
  11. Plenty of Rice, Houston, TCU, SMU “fans” switched to following Texas or aggy after the SWC fell apart. Maybe not right away but most did eventually. This would be like me saying I stopped watching college football last year after Texas was eliminated from the playoffs or conference title which is dumb. I didn’t watch as many games but I still watched the big games like the Bedlam, the Iron Bowl or tOSU/UM, CCG, and the playoffs even though my team wasn’t involved in any of those. But yes let’s pretend college football will lose massive amount of viewers and fans despite all the evidence and historical evidence to the contrary.
  12. Too lazy to read the “Note” line on the source data in the graphic, but we should trust your opinion?
  13. If you give Tech and Houston PUF funds they’ll simply be another version of aggy. Establishing bullshit satellite campuses to show the higher education committee that they are expanding “for the people” and then simply funneling more money to their main campus. Giving Tech/UH PUF funds would be like giving a teenage girl a black card and dropping her off at a mall (back in 1999). They will spend money selfishly and for their own personal gain that only benefits the campuses in Lubbock and Houston with only a token item or two that they hold up as proof that they are responsible. aggy is aggy, let’s not duplicate that fucking mistake again. If Tech, Houston, UNT/others, wants PUF funds then they need to join UT/A&M’s system. Tech/UH > UT UNT/TXSt > aggy
  14. Which system in this state has raised the academic and research profile of a non flagship school over the last 2 decades? UT (6) UTD, UTA, UTSA, and UTEP are all Tier One Research institutions. UTRGV and UT Tyler are tier two. aggy (4) Tarleton, TAMUCC, TAMUK, PVA&M are all tier two TX St (1) SHSU is tier two (same as TX St) Tech, Houston, UNT, TWU (0)
  15. SO MUCH THIS. This is why you can’t cut everyone a blank fucking check. We need someone to direct and LEAD the higher education expansion in this state. The UT system can and HAS been doing this very effectively over the last 2 decades. The rest of the state…not so much. For them its all what have you done for me lately and how does this help the main campus. UT is the only one (outside of maybe Texas Women’s) who cares about the wider mission of educating our state and isn’t just interested in setting up little fiefdoms in their geographic pockets of influence.
  16. We spread out distribution to aggy and they fucked it up so much the state no longer lets them manage their own endowment. Why does this state need SEVEN 4 year university systems (UT, aggy, TT, UH, UNT, TX St, TWU)? It’s a shit ton of effort/energy duplication for no reason. Arlington College, State School of Mining and Metallurgy, Edinburg College, Texas Southmost College, and Tyler State College we’re all self governing institutions before joining UT. Why do you think other institutions can’t do the same? In your post you talk about football, and that is likely the ONLY stupid fucking reason (athletic pride) that Tech and UH aren’t already UT schools sharing in the endowment and PUF. The UC system is literally the best university system in the world, and UT is working towards the goal of bringing that same level of regional excellence to the state. Giving TT/UH and others funds that do not support that goal is counterintuitive to The System’s mission. If you rolled Tech/UH into UT and it would pay dividends on top of dividends immediately. TTHSC-El Paso could work hand in hand with UTEP on research and community care, and Houston/UTHSC-Houston could do the same. Both schools would be able to work on a long term vision for research and regional growth. UT’s best and brightest in energy (O&G and clean) research could help put TT on the map and UH would host UT space/aerodynamics programs at their Clear Lake campus while working closely with NASA, or host UT’s marine biology research out of Port A. Traveling professors doing research or consulting could would be able to stay in system and teach in Lubbock/Houston and raise those school’s academic profiles with higher quality staff. Initiatives like Tech’s vet school would have UT’s full support and funding and they would be able to override the aggy veto with ease. Their are many MANY reasons why this is a great idea and the only reason this hasn’t already happened is that PRIDE is fucking them up. The answer is amazingly simple for all but the simpleminded who accuse others of arrogance.
  17. 2 conferences of 24 would cover more than 75% 3 conferences of 20 would cover nearly 90% Dropping the bottom 8 from the P5/4 (think Oregon St, Wake Forest) would only drop by 1%.
  18. Yeah the sport really took a nose dive when they split FCS/FBS, and then half the SWC was left out, and then again when the Big East was left out. Its barely hanging on…coffin is almost closed. /s
  19. Texas: OU, aggy, Arkansas is pretty much guaranteed. After that most of it hinges on LSU. LSU fans want Alabama/Florida and Ole Miss but logistically it works out better for the conference as a whole and to better tie in the old SWC schools into the fold if they get Arkansas/aggy and Ole Miss. Without LSU involved, you end up with 5 teams only playing each other with only UK as the single outsider. Texas: OU, aggy, Arkansas OU: Texas, Mizzou, aggy aggy: Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma Arkansas: Texas, aggy, Mizzou Mizzou: OU, Arkansas, Kentucky With LSU involved, you end up with 6 teams playing each other with 4 outsiders rotating in which seems like a healthier setup for keeping the conference strong and connected. Something the old E/W N/S divisions didn’t really facilitate. Texas: OU, aggy, Arkansas OU: Texas, Mizzou, ?UF? aggy: Texas, Arkansas, LSU Arkansas: Texas, aggy, LSU Mizzou: OU, Kentucky, ?SC? LSU: Arkansas, aggy, Ole Miss
  20. 100% the same for both our schedules: Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas, Vanderbilt Below are the differences: Alabama: My schedule: Mississippi St (105), His schedule: LSU (86) Arkansas: My schedule: LSU (68), His schedule: Mizzou (13) Florida: My schedule: South Carolina (42)/Oklahoma (2), His schedule: LSU (68)/Tennessee (51) Kentucky: My schedule: Tennessee (117), His schedule: South Carolina (33) LSU: My schedule: Arkansas (67)/TAMU (60), His schedule: Alabama (86)/Florida (68) Mississippi St: My schedule: Alabama (106), His schedule: South Carolina (16) Mizzou: My schedule: South Carolina (12), His schedule: Arkansas (13) Oklahoma: My schedule: Florida (2), His schedule: TAMU (31) South Carolina: My schedule Florida (42)/Mizzou (12), His schedule: Kentucky (32), Mississippi St (16) Tennessee: My schedule: Kentucky (117), His schedule: Florida (51) Texas A&M: My schedule LSU (60), His schedule: Oklahoma (31) I think Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi St, South Carolina, and TAMU would prefer my schedule I think Florida, LSU, Mizzou, and Oklahoma would prefer his schedule Not sure about Alabama and Tennessee since they have a choice between a high profile games and a most played geographic rivalry they’ve played over 100 times. I think when you get down to logistics and Thanksgiving week comes up and you have everyone in the conference playing their in state rivals except Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, and LSU it far less messy for the league office to pair them up and just pencil in those games. My schedule takes that into account and his does not.
  21. Alabama: Auburn (86 games), Tennessee (103), Mississippi St (105). Notable miss: LSU (86) Arkansas: LSU (68), Texas (79), TAMU (78). Notable miss: Ole Miss (68) Auburn: Alabama (86), Georgia (126), Mississippi St (95). Notable miss: Florida (84) Florida: Georgia (99), South Carolina (42), Oklahoma (2). Notable miss: Auburn (84), Kentucky (72), LSU (68) Georgia: Florida (99), Auburn (126), South Carolina (74). Notable miss: Vanderbilt (81) Kentucky: Vandy (94), Tennessee (117), Mizzou (12). Notable miss: Georgia (75), Florida (72) LSU: Arkansas (67), TAMU (60), Ole Miss (110). Notable miss: Mississippi St (115), Alabama (86), Florida (68) Mississippi St: Ole Miss (116), Alabama (106), Auburn (95). Notable miss: LSU (115) Mizzou: Oklahoma (96), Kentucky (12), South Carolina (12). Notable miss: Texas (24) Oklahoma: Texas (117), Mizzou (96), Florida (2). Notable miss: TAMU (31), Arkansas (15) Ole Miss: Mississippi St (116), LSU (109), Vandy (94). Notable miss: Alabama (68), Arkansas (66), Tennessee (66) South Carolina: Florida (42), Georgia (74), Mizzou (12). Notable miss: Tennessee (40), Kentucky (32) Tennessee: Vandy (116), Alabama (103), Kentucky (117). Notable miss: Ole Miss (66) Texas: Oklahoma (117), TAMU (118), Arkansas (79). Notable miss: Mizzou (24) Texas A&M: Texas (118), LSU (60), Arkansas (78). Notable miss: Oklahoma (31) Vandy: Tennessee (116), Kentucky (94), Ole Miss (96). Notable miss: Alabama (84), Georgia (81) 50% of the SEC: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas, TAMU, Vanderbilt all play their top 3 all time conference opponents in this model. 80% of the SEC: above plus Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi St, Oklahoma, South Carolina, will play 2 of their top 2 all time conference opponents. Only Florida, LSU, and Mizzou will not. Mizzou just doesn’t have a lot of history outside of OU (who they will play annually) so most won’t be concerned with them. Pairing Florida and LSU makes sense however it messes with the rest of the pairings and LSU has about as much history with regional former OOC foes Arkansas (67) and TAMU (60) as they do with in conference Florida (68). LSU’s issue is losing games against Mississippi St and big time games against Alabama and Florida but those lost games will be supplemented with games against Texas, OU, UGA, and Tennessee. Florida gets UGA and plays geographically close South Carolina but then doesn’t really have another historic rival outside of Auburn who already has their top 3. Penciling in Oklahoma gives them a make up game for losing LSU, plus even if it’s a force rivalry, it’s a made for TV game that will bring eyeballs.
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