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The Original Greaser Bob

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  1. As to your first statement. Agreed. As to the second, I think DEI has been more marketing than actually results, and hence I am thinking that actual lemonade can be made once the Restoration happens.
  2. Hey, you don't have to say stupid shit just to be noticed here. We know you're a regular.
  3. I waw not able to download the first link, but the only article that even pretended to be an academic paper rendered this conclusion: Conclusions and implications. This study concludes that the majority of the sample companies have publicly stated diversity- related value statements. This suggests that companies have started to realise the importance of emphasising diversity related values. This study also concludes that diversity-related value statements are positively correlated with the financial performance of the sample companies, although their correlation is not statistically significant. Which basically says that companies who trumpet diversity and talk the talk may have had positive financial performance. Maybe. Which isn't even the question I posed, which was how DEI programs have actually had positive diversity and inclusion EFFECTS. And companies can still trumpet their commitment to these values today. Which again, doesn't answer the questions as to whether the programs themselves are of value or more importantly whether programs aimed at economic disadvantage would have a more positive effect. This study highlights things that work and that aren't a problem under the EOs - mentorship programs and targeted recruiting (yes, you will have to recruit at Georgetown if you are going to recruit at Howard in order to cover your ass - but that's just good business.). But you can get actual results without being bogged down by the nomenclature. Why Diversity Programs Fail This kinda puffy piece identifies the problem with the puff pieces you linked to. The data just isn't there that goes beyond the intuitive and real conclusion that diversity is good, and actually shows the results that DEI programs have achieved. The end of the article points wo how companies who are interested in diversity equity can do a lot more than lip service in terms of actually getting results. Are Diversity Programs Doomed—Or Ready for a Revamp? Although people are spending lots of time criticizing companies for editing their DEI-ish marketing language, in reality I think a lot of those companies behind the scenes are pretty pissed off and actually, finally, thinking of ways to go beyond the marketing.
  4. I'd vote for Pete in a heartbeat, but his proximity to Biden as a member of the Cabinet may be a tiebreaker, depending on how everything shakes out. I'm hoping a non-member of the Biden Admin starts rising to the top. Chris Murphy has a good "fuck you" vibe and I'd go with the cadre of Emanuel Bros - three savage jews that won't leave a scrap on MAGA bones.
  5. 1) What progress do you feel has been made beyond creation of the DEI industry? I think there is likely progress. I just don't think there is very much good data to show any material progress. I think refocusing opportunity and inclusion to be based on advantages and even quotas based on economic disadvantage would be a far better approach to creating equity and certainly inclusion in hiring in the federal and private sectors. 2) We surrendered to MAGA because we allowed them to win. That's over. The question is how we act when we retake the legislature, the White House, and after we're all dead, the judiciary. If we settle for reinstituting the paltry tool that was DEI and an ineffective OFCCP than that is a tragic loss of opportunity.
  6. No, your argument seems to be that diversity and equality has to be taught and practiced in a certain pre-packaged way -- a way whose effectiveness is of questionable. And that we moment this administration is gone we need to go back to that exact practice "to own MAGA".
  7. If you best argument for a change in policy is that it offends the snowflakes, your underlying policy may not be that rigorous.
  8. Not a good analogy. You son goes out to work on an oil rig first day on the job. Are you going to worry about his safety or whether he was thinking about whether he is secretly biased against his African American coworker? I can remain committed to equality and opportunity without using the specific jargon of equity and diversity. I can't be committed to safety without following safety guidelines. Finally, there are built in financial disincentives to not following safety policies let alone the finality of death or dismemberment. Your term lip service is appropriate. I think DEI in lots of lip service in many private firms. To me it almost hides issues of opportunity. We remove that veil then after this administration is done we can work on the real problem and not put the veil up again as lip service. Netted out I see it as an opportunity if discourse and the quality of legislators ever improves.
  9. I guess I need to see the data on this. Corporations will continue to be able to "sell" inclusion and basically continue as they have been and try to avoid discrimination lawsuits of all types. What they are giving up is the D and E of DEI -- nomenclature that fostered a cottage industry that didn't feel particularly successful. The question is -- how effective were DEI initiatives pre-Trump II? I mean, they had to be highly successful, no, guaranteeing equity in the board rooms and in equal pay? I think the best argument is that attacks on DEI are symbolic of more serious racial divides that Trump is pushing, but I just don't think making private company employees attend three hours of DEI and unconscious bias classes every year was much more than window dressing. Dems should focus on economic affirmative action that would really mean something. DEI feels like the "ho hum" being the enemy of "great".
  10. Many companies didn't do much more than change the wording. Absolutely no changes were made to employee interest groups, or any other policy. Companies were always subject to reverse discrimination actions so I am assuming most companies didn't have to do a whole lot in terms of changing policies other than clarifying or opening up certain training or mentorship programs to all races and sexes. Which is probably not a bad policy to begin with. DEI and the related "unconscious bias" are both somewhat sloppy, careless terms and opportunity for truly underrepresented groups can proceed better without those terms. Netted out, the executive actions related to DEI all demand one thing - don't exclude white males. That's not a tall order for companies that weren't doing that anyway, and that gives Dems lots of incentive to truly look at inclusion of all groups. I'm being Panglossian, but this chainsaw allows people who care about opportunity to go forward while jettisoning the weight of those terms.
  11. Still one of my favorite tv bits. Are people starting to do this if Trump is in visual range?
  12. Mass Deportation of People in Droves Now! I would prefer: Compassionate Due Process Deportations of Persons Illegally in this Country, Now! I'm seeing the only way for Dems to win the immigration war is to continue criticism of the needless inhuman treatment and lack of due process, but to really focus on the need to keep the US as a beacon for people in those countries that are shittier than ours (theoretically), and our economy's need for immigrants. But frankly to be almost as ruthless as MAGA about anyone who hasn't followed the rules for admittance to the letter.
  13. I'm an employment lawyer and we tweaked our DEI program - some would call it a rollback, but most DEI programs can be modified pretty easily just by emphasizing the term "inclusion" and getting rid of the terms diversity and equity. Focus on color-blind inclusion of disadvantaged candidates should have been embraced by the left decades ago. Getting forced out of the cookie cutter DEI industry is going to be good for the left in the short and long run.
  14. Hmm. I just went out of my way to go into a target and get a phone protector and screen protector instead of getting it from Amazon. Did I do the right thing?
  15. “If you think that it would be impossible to improve upon the Ten Commandments as a statement of morality, you really owe it to yourself to read some other scriptures. Once again, we need look no further than the Jains: Mahavira, the Jain patriarch, surpassed the morality of the Bible with a single sentence: 'Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being.' Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept. Christians have abused, oppressed, enslaved, insulted, tormented, tortured, and killed people in the name of God for centuries, on the basis of a theologically defensible reading of the Bible.” ― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation
  16. Water under the bridge. Putting faith in the youth. Need to attack political Christianity wherever it shows its face.
  17. Biden could have stepped down with more than a year to the election. The Dems could have had an orderly process of picking a candidate, who would have been able to distance himself from the Biden Administration on immigration. There was a thread here where people suggesting this were slammed because incumbency was such a strong advantage. An attack on Kamala as a woke candidate would have been advantageous. Yes it's hindsight, but the Dems need to be better. And if Biden had been as infirm there isn't much of an excuse.
  18. Fastbreak, my dad enlisted when FDR was President. I read about FDR in the encyclopedia. I feel I sort of know and he was almost like a friend. Fastbreak, Biden is no FDR.
  19. I suggest that one should vote for good people and not for bad ones. Trump supporters - all bad. Dems who propped up Biden knowing he had issues - example of bad ones as well. To me, not as bad as Trump supporters, but still bad. The closest these folks should be to elective office is podcasts.
  20. Only two beefs with Wes: 1) Moonrise Kingdom 2) Not sure I like how he treats non-animation dogs (Moonrise/Royal). I would love for Wes to pull a really low budget style flick that takes place in Dallas/Houston/Auston that's has the feel of Bottle Rocket and introduces some fun new actors. Shit, why not a movie about some young guys making a movie? Rushmore may be favorite movie of all time, and I love his style, but Bottle Rocket is like your first kiss.
  21. Fantastic Mr. Fox fantastic. Just watched it last night. Isle of Dogs a little less so, but still top notch.
  22. I've only seen Bottle Rocket. This looks like a stylistic reach. Is Kumar in this? I like Kumar.
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