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I would guess a disturbingly large number of suicides are rash decisions made under the influence of your choice of drugs/drinks. Having some mild depression you can deal with in your normal day-to-day may hit you like a ton of bricks if you are hoovering booger sugar and chasing it with White Claws. 

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1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

I would guess a disturbingly large number of suicides are rash decisions made under the influence of your choice of drugs/drinks. Having some mild depression you can deal with in your normal day-to-day may hit you like a ton of bricks if you are hoovering booger sugar and chasing it with White Claws. 

That would be really sad, if it happened that way. I've always hated how much people misunderstand the way suicides work. The narratives about the victim having a lot of friends or a lot to live for or immediate plans to look forward to, all of that implies that the only people who commit suicide are loners and losers. That's pretty insulting, frankly, and it doesn't help anyone.

This story is blowing up everywhere, so now that APD's under the microscope I think we will see a more thorough investigation.

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It might have been as benign as her sitting in an unsafe position on/near the railing, someone goofing off giving her a playful shove, and over she goes.  Then everyone panics about an accidental homicide, etc.

Lots of possible scenarios.  The two that seem the weirdest are (1) a malevolent murder, someone actually tosses her over the side saying "die bitch!", and (2) a purposeful "goodbye cruel world" suicide plunge with 15 people present.  Seems like it is likely some scenario in between.

Not sure if this is legit but stumbled across this on Reddit. Is that really "impossible" to trip and fall over the railing? In this photo it looks to be about to their mid-rib area. The balcony here looks from the inside like what the balcony looks like from the outside based on Google Street view. The lack of UT or downtown in the background suggests the balcony is facing the west. The victim probably was not very tall, so an accident is harder to believe based on this.

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From how I read it, the fight happened earlier and the mom was trying to connect the earlier fight to the death because they were both at the same party. Also doesn't say if it was a physical fight or just bitching at each other.
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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

all of that implies that the only people who commit suicide are loners and losers

This would be a very empty message board if that was the case.

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1 hour ago, Modessit said:

doesn't say if it was a physical fight or just bitching at each other.

Either way, that's a possible motive. They need a deeper investigation

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21 hours ago, chainsaw said:

It wouldn't surprise me, but at the same time, how the fuck could detectives just accept a bunch of potential co-conspirators' stories at face value without some kind of independent proof that no foul play was involved? There's more on reddit:

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If any of this is true that's some incredibly shoddy police work and they have every right to be incensed

I don't know what happened. Easily could have been an accident but could just as easily be suicide. I had a client that killed himself. Suicide pact with his girlfriend. They left notes for every member of their respective families. Family agreed notes were in their handwriting. Very explicit and detailed as to why they came to this decision.  After being confronted with this evidence his bother and father concluded that client  was going to expose a child sex trafficking ring, so the cartels broke into his house, forced them to write the notes and then staged a dual hanging.  There was no way to divest them of that belief. If you don't want to believe your loved one killed themselves, there is no amount of evidence that will convince you. As someone who's known3 people that have taken their own life, I would never in a million years expected that any of them would have even considered it. Happy Facebook post with kids, spouse  or girlfriend on Monday and dead by their own hand on Tuesday.  

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3 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

I don't know what happened. Easily could have been an accident but could just as easily be suicide. I had a client that killed himself. Suicide pact with his girlfriend. They left notes for every member of their respective families. Family agreed notes were in their handwriting. Very explicit and detailed as to why they came to this decision.  After being confronted with this evidence his bother and father concluded that client  was going to expose a child sex trafficking ring, so the cartels broke into his house, forced them to write the notes and then staged a dual hanging.  There was no way to divest them of that belief. If you don't want to believe your loved one killed themselves, there is no amount of evidence that will convince you. As someone who's known3 people that have taken their own life, I would never in a million years expected that any of them would have even considered it. Happy Facebook post with kids, spouse  or girlfriend on Monday and dead by their own hand on Tuesday.  

I know that sort of thing happens. Sorry for your loss.

Nobody in this story has resorted to child sex trafficking, cartel conspiracy theories just yet. I don't think a drunk scuffle is totally out of the question, if there was some actual beef simmering among this friend group.

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I know that sort of thing happens. Sorry for your loss.

Nobody in this story has resorted to child sex trafficking, cartel conspiracy theories just yet. I don't think a drunk scuffle is totally out of the question, if there was some actual beef simmering among this friend group.

I agree, but do you believe that two women having an argument and one throwing the other 17 floors to their death is more plausible than suicide or accident? I think the idea that coming to Austin for the Texas game and then killing yourself at an after party seems completely bonkers but people do fucked up shit.

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2 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

I agree, but do you believe that two women having an argument and one throwing the other 17 floors to their death is more plausible than suicide or accident? I think the idea that coming to Austin for the Texas game and then killing yourself at an after party seems completely bonkers but people do fucked up shit.

I thought accident was most likely until I saw how hard it would be to "accidentally" fall over the railings. The only way it could be an accident is if they were doing something incredibly dumb like trying to take a selfie while dangling their centers of gravity over the edge.

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I know that sort of thing happens. Sorry for your loss.
Nobody in this story has resorted to child sex trafficking, cartel conspiracy theories just yet. I don't think a drunk scuffle is totally out of the question, if there was some actual beef simmering among this friend group.

Sprinkle in underage drinking and drug possession and we have a West Campus coverup. She may have fell on her own. Thats just another weekend for the Texas Cowboys.

I think suicide is unlikely, at least without significant drugs and alcohol in her system.
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10 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Other than the family member mentioning it in the post, where does it say she went off the balcony?  The APD says she was “found unresponsive”. Isn’t that usually language for an OD or alcohol poisoning or the like?  A 17 story fall seems like “found unresponsive” is odd language. 

thank you, this was bugging the hell out of me!

i've unfortunately seen a body that fell just SIX stories - it was gory and frankly traumatizing, a picture i couldn't unsee for literally years. a 17 story fall, the body is going to be a lot more than 'unresponsive', like wtf people!

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2 minutes ago, mchookem said:

thank you, this was bugging the hell out of me!

i've unfortunately seen a body that fell just SIX stories - it was gory and frankly traumatizing, a picture i couldn't unsee for literally years. a 17 story fall, the body is going to be a lot more than 'unresponsive', like wtf people!

sadly many local news outfits are nothing more than stenographers for cops, so if the police spokesperson used that copspeak it will be regurgitated in the news story.

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12 hours ago, chainsaw said:

The only way it could be an accident is if they were doing something incredibly dumb like trying to take a selfie while dangling their centers of gravity over the edge.

Highly likely with kids today. 

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12 hours ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

I think the idea that coming to Austin for the Texas game and then killing yourself at an after party seems completely bonkers but people do fucked up shit.

Just out of curiosity, when is the appropriate time to commit suicide?  Is there an understood time and place to schedule these things?  I feel like most people committing suicide are really taking into account others' feelings, especially friends and family, so I think we should absolutely come up with a standard here.

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10 hours ago, mchookem said:

thank you, this was bugging the hell out of me!

i've unfortunately seen a body that fell just SIX stories - it was gory and frankly traumatizing, a picture i couldn't unsee for literally years. a 17 story fall, the body is going to be a lot more than 'unresponsive', like wtf people!

In the early days of the interwebs, i remember seeing a photo of a guy who had jumped out a window in a business suit. His body literally exploded when it hit the concrete. His suit was in tatters like he was hit by a grenade.

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37 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

Just out of curiosity, when is the appropriate time to commit suicide?  Is there an understood time and place to schedule these things?  I feel like most people committing suicide are really taking into account others' feelings, especially friends and family, so I think we should absolutely come up with a standard here.

Right after losing to a rival. 

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59 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

In the early days of the interwebs, i remember seeing a photo of a guy who had jumped out a window in a business suit. His body literally exploded when it hit the concrete. His suit was in tatters like he was hit by a grenade.

I would have stuffed all of my pockets with candy so people would think I was a piñata.

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